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Old 01-19-2013, 10:47 PM
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People like crowds believe it or not. When they see a crowd, they figure it must be something good, otherwise there wouldn't be a crowd.
Like when there's a bloody accident or a house fire? Those always attract big crowds. That kind of good?
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Surprised it went off without any trouble from the antis- good job by you guys and gals.

Only complaint I can see is that someone thought it would be appropriate to bring a CSA Naval Jack...
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My friend and I showed up in buttons and ties... that's right.
We wanted to offset the "older white male rednecks" crowd by being >30 (well I'm 31 but close enough) and dressed professionally.

At one point we were approached and asked what agency we worked for. I was confused, The man wanted to know if we were reporters (I was taking notes on my notepad at the time)

there was a guy that showed up in his camo with a sign "pry them from my cold dead hands" I wanted to scream at him but whatever.

the feeling after the rally was a lot of people that felt energized to do more, get involved more - write, e-mail... donate. That IS successful right there. What did you expect... the Gov to just go "oh yea... these guys are serious, better back off now!"

I was also pleased to see a large percentage of female gun owners there. RIGHT ON!
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How so? Did Yee run up a give you a big sloppy kiss? Or because more people showed up than you expected? What?
If no new legislation passes because the Senate and Assembly took notice, then maybe it will be a success in some way, but if I were you, I wouldn't break my arm patting myself on the back just yet.
Tell you want, sport. It's 00:43 on Sunday morning and I just used Google to surf "gun control" and then "news." The pro-gun rallies at state capitals across the nation are getting a fair amount of press. Certainly enough to be noticed by those who will be looking at Feinstein's bill beginning on Tuesday, January 22. There's your "how so" right there.

If public pro-gun sentiments continue to grow they, might do a lot more than simply notice the rallies. They might actually begin to consider the content and strength of these rallies.

Nutnfancy gave a remarkable impromptu speech in Utah. nutnfancy's speech I'm sure it will be viewed by at least half a million of his viewers. Those that came before us never had tools like the Internet to help them fight for their rights.

The coming 90 days is going to be historic. Those that coordinated the rallies yesterday set the foundation for the fight we are now in.
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The Confederate battle flag has absolutely no place here in CA. It might well have a historical place in the Deep South but not here -- particularly at an event like this one!

Those who fly it from their vehicles at Pismo Beach that I have chatted with typically have no idea about the history of the flag. It's simply an outward sign of being a moronic bigot to them.

The stars and bars might indeed be associated with bigotry in the Deep South. Here it's associated with abject stupidity.
You need to lighten up on the stars & bars. You honestly have no more clue what it stands for than your bubbas at the beach do. You are being a divisive force within our ranks.
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You need to lighten up on the stars & bars. You honestly have no more clue what it stands for than your bubbas at the beach do. You are being a divisive force within our ranks.
I must disagree.

I will bring to bear every defense for the confederate flag under most circumstances, because most people just think "slavery" when they see it. I truly enjoy defending the actual meaning of the confederate flag against such people. However, Excelsior's point is well argued and accurate - Dixie has no historical significance in CA. It does nothing but damage our image to bring such matters to bear here.

If you want historical and controversial imagery for CA - then depict the M1 Carbine, Malcolm X, and Black Panther stuff. If you want to go back a bit further (say, gold rush, railroads, and turn of the century) then talk about the original CA constitution's *explicit* denial of Chinese rights, talk about the chinese expulsions, but for God's sake - the Confederate Flag has nothing to do with CA.

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I must disagree.

I will bring to bear every defense for the confederate flag under most circumstances, because most people just think "slavery" when they see it. I truly enjoy defending the actual meaning of the confederate flag against such people. However, Excelsior's point is well argued and accurate - Dixie has no historical significance in CA. It does nothing but damage our image to bring such matters to bear here.

If you want historical and controversial imagery for CA - then depict the M1 Carbine, Malcolm X, and Black Panther stuff. If you want to go back a bit further (say, gold rush, railroads, and turn of the century) then talk about the original CA constitution's *explicit* denial of Chinese rights, talk about the chinese expulsions, but for God's sake - the Confederate Flag has nothing to do with CA.

I could be wrong...
But but its the Democrat flag they had.
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While this event might have accomplish nothing, the nay sayers accomplished double nothing, great job folks I sure wished I was there. Man, I ran out of beers to suck on, good nigh errr... Morning
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You need to lighten up on the stars & bars. You honestly have no more clue what it stands for than your bubbas at the beach do. You are being a divisive force within our ranks.
The stars & bars has no place here in CA. The misguided that so proudly fly them at Pismo Beach are proof of that! The dividers are those who would bring such a septic symbol to a pro-gun rally in CALIFORNIA.

This isn't Mississippi where displaying the stars and bars is part of formative history. Out here it's either a symbol of separation or a symbol or racism or both!
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The stars & bars has no place here in CA. The misguided that so proudly fly them at Pismo Beach are proof of that! The dividers are those who would bring such a septic symbol to a pro-gun rally in CALIFORNIA.

This isn't Mississippi where displaying the stars and bars is part of formative history. Out here it's either a symbol of separation or a symbol or racism or both!
That word does not mean what you think it means.

Here is a photo for clarification;

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It's 00:43 on Sunday morning and I just used Google to surf "gun control" and then "news." The pro-gun rallies at state capitals across the nation are getting a fair amount of press.
But nothing in the Sacramento Bee except an AP article about rallies everywhere but California?
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Attended the rally, great rally, wish it was a little bigger. Bless those that came the long distance in support of the Second Amendment, some as far as San Diego!
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"Deer Hunting Rifles? "Let's get rid of those too" - Adam Keigwin, Chief of Staff for Senator Leland Yee?

If this guy truly said that, he's got hoplophobia and a pretty bad case of it. Why not get rid of the Constitution? Jeez
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"Deer Hunting Rifles? "Let's get rid of those too" - Adam Keigwin, Chief of Staff for Senator Leland Yee?

If this guy truly said that, he's got hoplophobia and a pretty bad case of it. Why not get rid of the Constitution? Jeez
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But nothing in the Sacramento Bee except an AP article about rallies everywhere but California?
And that's because we didn't fulfill the wishes of many here to be awash in diversity at this event. If we had a regiment of illegal alien kids who graduated reform school pledging to defend the 2nd amendment with their lives, we may have attracted a swarm of local news cameras.

aw...who am I kdding. The Bee hates guns more than they love illegals. There's just some media that will have to be dragged from the clutches of liberal propaganda by means more clever than that which inspires their adhesion to such policies.
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I'm glad it went well. I'm also glad when I looked around afterward and there weren't piles of garbage or discarded pamphlets/signs. All along, even on the drive up, I had the nagging feeling that this wasn't going to be worth the effort, and that there was a big risk for a negative outcome. I went anyway because I thought that people need to see that others are willing to fight and will support eachother.
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Meh. A "feel good" event that will accomplish nothing.
That would seem to be the case, based on the lack of press coverage. I just hope the participants don't feel like they've "done their part" now and sit back and do nothing more. That is the danger in these kind of gestures.

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Congratulations. Well done.
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. How many people did you get signed up for the NRA at your event? How many previously anti-gun or neutral people did you expose to shooting for the first time?

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It is interesting that the Sacramento Bee did a story and mentioned many different rallies all over our great nation, but nary a single word concerning the rally right there in SACRAMENTO.

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/19/512...n-rallies.html
My point exactly. Did the organizers even bother to contact the Bee or KCRA? KCRA has a text story on the website, but no video. News 10 did broadcast a piece, but that's the only coverage I can find.


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My point exactly. Did the organizers even bother to contact the Bee or KCRA? KCRA has a text story on the website, but no video. News 10 did broadcast a piece, but that's the only coverage I can find.
The Sac Bee's cameraman/reporter was there. The editorial staff probably just suppressed the story. That's why we need more of these events, not less or none. Publications like the Sac Bee are going to have to dragged from their tower by OTHER publications profitting from the stories they refuse to print
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I had to work today, otherwise I would have been there. Here's a thought...do it again. I bet you get even better attendance and it let's them know that we're serious.

My dos centavos...
I agree. Fox world news just had a segment talking about 2A resistance being a success yesterday and that there will be challenges with all the new policy.

Now that's good press. Great job !!!

I wasn't able to make it but my wave of letters will hit the mail today.
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Y'all quit knocking the CSA flag. It is a symbol of resistance to an over reaching government. It is not a symbol of bigotry. Perhaps that is what the media has convinced you of, sorta like they have convinced many of the evils of guns.

Under what flag did the klan march on DC with in the 20s?
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I was there! Some great speeches were given in those two hours.

Very peaceful and afterward a cleaner capitol afterward. Zero trash seen.

Truly the kind of people this country needs more of.
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Channel 13 had video from the rally on their 5, 10 and 11 PM news casts, including an brief interview.

We've been talking to folks, inviting them to the range, writing emails and sending money. That has gotten us where we are. We need to do more. I think this rally was a good step in the "more" direction. Far better than sitting at your computer and criticizing.
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Channel 3 and 13 news cameras were there, so they did have film. I watched chanel 13's news coverage (yes it's CBS :-( ) If channel 3 did not make it to air, well that speaks volumes against the media bias, and shows that they are not really news oriented, but rather propaganda oriented.
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Y'all quit knocking the CSA flag. It is a symbol of resistance to an over reaching government. It is not a symbol of bigotry. Perhaps that is what the media has convinced you of, sorta like they have convinced many of the evils of guns.
Well my experience with it is that my relatives who live in Arkansas proudly fly it, and they are pretty big racist .
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Great turnout. The guys and gals that came in my convoy thought it was very informative a reassuring that there is a very live moment out there advocating for the 2nd Amendment and helping to fight the misinformation. This was a very motivating event. The 7 people that came there with me will go back home and tell all their people plus all the related social media posts.
Nice to see, I really mean SEE the pro gun movement. We can log on our computers and chat about it and read article links all day that may be for or against gun restriction. In a digital age, the internet posts and social media communication is great but its so easy that I feel a lot of people are just clicking 'like' and moving on with their day. There most certainly IS something to be said about Americans assembling in large numbers, discussing, speaking and advocating for their cause.
Social media, discussion boards, blogs and even online news websites are compartmentalized by political stance. Meaning, on the internet people tend to receive information from their preferred source or preferred like-minded friends on a social network and less likely to hear the other side.
With physical displays like Guns Across America, these break more into TV. Which in my opinion is where successful pro gun advocacy is lacking. From the perspective of public opinion, more events like this will serve to do a lot. Especially if they get larger.
When unbiased mainstream news sources are NOT painting this cause in a negative light, like the New 10 ABC article, then that means your doing something right.
Curving public opinion is obviously not the only front to fight on. There's the pro gun organizations that perform a number of functions to help prevent gun restriction.
I would NEVER discount any of the effectiveness of a physical in person protest.
I agree. Where is the link for the protest here in SoCal? The only thing I found is this Facebook link.
https://www.facebook.com/events/404580092955869/

Heck if we can get just the people who were standing in line at the LAX shooting range yesterday that would be good. (The line went for a full block )

If one of you find the link to the SoCal event or there is someone here organizing it please PM me. I don't do the Facebook thing.

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Well my experience with it is that my relatives who live in Arkansas proudly fly it, and they are pretty big racist .
Ok, and this proves what? Do your relatives also own guns? Go to church? Drive a pickup?
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The stars & bars has no place here in CA. The misguided that so proudly fly them at Pismo Beach are proof of that! The dividers are those who would bring such a septic symbol to a pro-gun rally in CALIFORNIA.

This isn't Mississippi where displaying the stars and bars is part of formative history. Out here it's either a symbol of separation or a symbol or racism or both!

+1. keep focused on 2A: carry the US flag.
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I drove up from Simi after posting the Henry V speech. How could I not go after that.

Plans to car pool had fallen flat so I went on my own 6 hours each way.

When I got to there I drove around and parked opposite the building. Streets looked pretty empty, couldn't see a lot a people, I was about 20 minutes late.

Easy to find places in the parking structure. I started to think Oh boy, did I waste my time and money on this. Oh well, at least I'll get plenty of time to talk with the organizers.

As I walked towards the parking exit I could just make out a voice on a public address, couldn't hear what was being said. Oh well, at least something is going on, not a complete waste of time.

Suddenly the parking structure echoed and filled with the sound of a huge roar of approval, clapping, cheering.

I can't tell you how my heart lifted and swelled at that moment. I am not alone. We are not alone. There are more of us than we know.

Was it a success? You bet. I know where I was on St. Crispian's Day and I'm better for it. Where were you?

Thank you Sanachim. Thank you Daniel. Thank you all of the speakers.

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Like when there's a bloody accident or a house fire? Those always attract big crowds. That kind of good?
Public executions were always good for a crowd. Then again, that depends upon whom the festivities were centered.
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My friend and I showed up in buttons and ties... that's right.
We wanted to offset the "older white male rednecks" crowd by being >30 (well I'm 31 but close enough) and dressed professionally.
Kudos! Good call!

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I was also pleased to see a large percentage of female gun owners there. RIGHT ON!
Awesome!


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Probably one of those idiots from the San Joaquin Valley who flies it from their pickup bed when they invade Pismo Beach. I have no idea why some people here in CA are interested in that flag. I hope someone shoved the good old "stars and bars" right up their derriere!
Actually, if you'd do your homework, there was great support for the Confederacy in CA during the Civil War. Very few voted for Lincoln, (Only about 32% of the population). Existing militias were even disbanded due to high support for the Secessionists, and new pro-Union ones were formed to keep control in California. It's pretty interesting stuff when you get into it.

On the other hand, I sincerely doubt the douche bags that come over here from the Valley flying the Stars & Bars from their trucks have any clue about that history. They're just being stupid hicks tearing up our town.
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That would seem to be the case, based on the lack of press coverage. I just hope the participants don't feel like they've "done their part" now and sit back and do nothing more. That is the danger in these kind of gestures.

if you had showed up -you would know that the entire purpose of the rally was to motivate the audience to get involved more, to write, e-mail, show up, donate, and much more. But you wouldn't know that... would you

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. How many people did you get signed up for the NRA at your event? How many previously anti-gun or neutral people did you expose to shooting for the first time?

Me personally: 2 people who were on the " guns are OK, but we don't need assault weapons or 10+ magazines" are now fully supportive of "shall not be infringed"
Also got some information on other organizations to donate to (the NRA isn't the only dog we have, bro) but you wouldn't know that... would you


My point exactly. Did the organizers even bother to contact the Bee or KCRA? KCRA has a text story on the website, but no video. News 10 did broadcast a piece, but that's the only coverage I can find.

The point wasn't to get on the news. The point was to get people involved. But you wouldn't k.... nevermind


Now that you're all pumped up, take a newbie to the range, send a check to NRA, join SAF, CRPA, CCRKBA.
NOW you get it! wow.... took you long enough to come to the point, didn't it.

maybe next time YOU can show up and help US out doing just that
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Ok, I'm new here, so maybe what I have to say doesn't carry much weight. I agree with the nay-Sayers on 1 point concerning this rally and that is it will probably have little affect on the pending legislation. Those proposing the legislation have been emboldened by current events and have been helped mightily by the media and their full court press on gun control. However, and I doubt I'm alone in this, it did inspire me to abandon my defeatist attitude and get into the fray. After leaving the rally, I sent off nearly a dozen e-mails to family and friends encouraging them to join in. The NRA now has 4 new members they didn't have yesterday. For that alone, the rally was a success. We need to stop picking each other apart here and join together in our common cause of defending the 2A and ultimately the United States. Let's all look for ways to pursue our goals and not tear down others (unless their methods are proven counter-productive) in this battle we face. We really need ALL hands on deck!:cheers2
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Many good points from all except the naysayers. You guys have no clue.

Dont you realize that the point, well maybe not with this rally, is ANY coverage.
any at all.

Good OR bad. IT does not matter. What matters is coverage. Then once they are hooked in, thinking something else bad might be said, you interlace more fact and people. Look at the NRA ad and how much controversy that sparked.
Its coverage and got people talking and looking for more. They should keep going with more of it.

It is time for the in your face message. And you must spark controversy to be noticed.vfcx
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Ok, I'm new here, so maybe what I have to say doesn't carry much weight. I agree with the nay-Sayers on 1 point concerning this rally and that is it will probably have little affect on the pending legislation. Those proposing the legislation have been emboldened by current events and have been helped mightily by the media and their full court press on gun control. However, and I doubt I'm alone in this, it did inspire me to abandon my defeatist attitude and get into the fray. After leaving the rally, I sent off nearly a dozen e-mails to family and friends encouraging them to join in. The NRA now has 4 new members they didn't have yesterday. For that alone, the rally was a success. We need to stop picking each other apart here and join together in our common cause of defending the 2A and ultimately the United States. Let's all look for ways to pursue our goals and not tear down others (unless their methods are proven counter-productive) in this battle we face. We really need ALL hands on deck!:cheers2
How do we KNOW that the new legislation CANNOT BE DEFEATED unless ALL WHO CAN do something ACTUALLY DO DO SOMETHING to prevent it? You can't! It is impossible without first trying. This is WHY we must all try. Only in making the effort, win or lose, will we know the outcome one way or the other, in reality, and in truth. To succumb to a defeatist attitude that screams with certainty that the issue is already lost, and so why try, is exactly why we are in the dismal position we are in today. I am glad you seem to have figured that out, but you are wrong about your assessment of the nay-sayer's one point. An opinion, ill-founded in fear, is not truth.

I wonder when folks are going to wake up for real, smell the crappy coffee, and grow some ... balls that is.
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Ok, I'm new here, so maybe what I have to say doesn't carry much weight. I agree with the nay-Sayers on 1 point concerning this rally and that is it will probably have little affect on the pending legislation. Those proposing the legislation have been emboldened by current events and have been helped mightily by the media and their full court press on gun control. However, and I doubt I'm alone in this, it did inspire me to abandon my defeatist attitude and get into the fray. After leaving the rally, I sent off nearly a dozen e-mails to family and friends encouraging them to join in. The NRA now has 4 new members they didn't have yesterday. For that alone, the rally was a success. We need to stop picking each other apart here and join together in our common cause of defending the 2A and ultimately the United States. Let's all look for ways to pursue our goals and not tear down others (unless their methods are proven counter-productive) in this battle we face. We really need ALL hands on deck!:cheers2
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There were a couple of related articles in the left slobbering Bee.

A4- Gun Supporters

A9-Assault Weapons definition

As it didn't work out for me to attend, I wore my Dillon Precision T shirt yesterday, and received numerous "thumbs up" from others in public.

Good job to those that attended.
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Smile thanks to everyone showing up

Thanks to everyone from CalGuns showing up and to David for organizing the event, especially with such short notice. I did not see any press at the event after it got started, but there was a camera crew up on the steps a few minutes after 12 breaking their equipment down.

All and all, I was very happy with the turn out and the speakers, though I would have liked more involvement from friendly Sheriffs, Mayors, city councilmen, district attorneys, county supervisors and legislators.

My best friend and I stayed up late in the night making the big banner on the steps some of you may have seen and then woke up at 5am to drive up to Sacramento from Thousand Oaks.

For any of you who didn't go, here are some pictures.




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someone should start a pictures/videos thread for all the events yesterday
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Channel 3 and 13 news cameras were there, so they did have film. I watched chanel 13's news coverage (yes it's CBS :-( ) If channel 3 did not make it to air, well that speaks volumes against the media bias, and shows that they are not really news oriented, but rather propaganda oriented.
I watched Channel 3 news last night and they did have a report with video and interviews. I was surprised it was a fair report. But it's no surprise they don't provide the video link on their website.
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