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Old 12-17-2012, 12:03 AM
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:12 AM
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If you want to get technical about it, if firearms were outlawed entirely then they would no longer be law abiding citizens by keeping them, would they? And if the order was to be given now, as things stand, it would be a blatantly unlawful order, wouldn't it?

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If guns were outlawed all together that would be a severe breech of our 2nd A rights and im sure the 4th would be breeched shortly after. So, you'd have to take a look at what was going on and hopefully realize that The People arent the isse, its sombody else....
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Sure... I'd do it with Santa Clause and Elvis whilst riding a unicorn that ****'s solid gold.
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Sure... I'd do it with Santa Clause and Elvis whilst riding a unicorn that ****'s solid gold.
SHHHHHH We are not supposed to talk about the Combat Unicorns.
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without hesitation, considering I am a mindless robot jackbooted thug slave to the man and my sole purpose in life is to oppress the masses.
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SHHHHHH We are not supposed to talk about the Combat Unicorns.
Why? DARPA declassified them back in June... their official designator is the Mk.8 MOD 4.
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Ok, i'll give you my "ONLY" gun I have which is a .22 bolt action. You will leave me alone since I have given you "ALL" my fire arms ok?
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At that point I assume the world/country would be so ****ed up I would have no desire to serve my country anymore anyway so I would probably just go awol.
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At that point I assume the world/country would be so ****ed up I would have no desire to serve my country anymore anyway so I would probably just go awol.
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My soldiers and I took an oath to support and defend the constitution of the USA, and to follow the legal orders of those above us. Other than resigning my commision, yes I (we) would. The US is a democratic republic, and in this scenario, it would appear to be the will of the people (at least their representatives). Fortunately under the posse commitis act, unless there is a declared national emergency, the military has no police powers, so by law, it would be illegal for us to do this. If martial law was declared, then there is your answer.

The Monroe republic? (Revolution for those who don't watch NBC).
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My soldiers and I took an oath to support and defend the constitution of the USA, and to follow the legal orders of those above us. Other than resigning my commision, yes I (we) would. The US is a democratic republic, and in this scenario, it would appear to be the will of the people (at least their representatives). Fortunately under the posse commitis act, unless there is a declared national emergency, the military has no police powers, so by law, it would be illegal for us to do this. If martial law was declared, then there is your answer.

The Monroe republic? (Revolution for those who don't watch NBC).
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I would take the guns after I murdered all of the citizens in the town because I wear a uniform.
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I would take the guns after I murdered all of the citizens in the town because I wear a uniform.
HELL YEAH, freebies....

Seriously though in my opinion I don't see it getting to this level. We're still in Afghanistan and deployed in support of other countries so yeah the military ain't got time for this bs.
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In the Nuremberg trial for Nazi war criminals, they claimed they were just following orders. Chaos would follow, Civil War, you would have a full time job keeping your head down.
The two examples are not the same. One IS a legal order, the other is an ILLEGAL order, under the UCMJ military personnel do not have to follow ILLEGAL orders.

If our politicians and commander in chief instituted -martial law- and ordered the taking of weapons from civilians, thats legal, murdering innocent people is an illegal order and does not carry the weight of law, therefore a soldier does not, nor are they obligated, to follow it.
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without hesitation, considering I am a mindless robot jackbooted thug slave to the man and my sole purpose in life is to oppress the masses.
You are confusing yourself with Obamas paramilitary youth force

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My soldiers and I took an oath to support and defend the constitution of the USA, and to follow the legal orders of those above us. Other than resigning my commision, yes I (we) would. The US is a democratic republic, and in this scenario, it would appear to be the will of the people (at least their representatives). Fortunately under the posse commitis act, unless there is a declared national emergency, the military has no police powers, so by law, it would be illegal for us to do this. If martial law was declared, then there is your answer.

The Monroe republic? (Revolution for those who don't watch NBC).
You just opened yourself up a whole can of worms, lol
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1. It WILL NEVER HAPPEN
2. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN
3. I have the right to disobey unlawful orders which would be to violate US citizens of there constitutional right\
and 4. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN
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AMERICA WAKE UP IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN THAT PEOPLE WILL TAKE YOUR GUNS

THIS COUNTRY HAS NO RESOURCES FOR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

America You cannot take away a constitutional right
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I am distressed by the individual who seems to think that any order issued under "law" is a moral order. That which is not just is not law, this fact is not subject to popular approval. Morality first, then Constitution, then what someone with a higher rank thinks. The fact is that the vast majority of those who have served already know this and would never follow such an order just because it was given. If you want to see what happens when people follow the "law" without being concerned with justice just read "Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich".
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I'm glad to see the Oath keepers comment on here. If the new Feinstein AWB removes grandfathering clauses or manipulates the definition, and the order was given under a state of national emergency. Let's say that the orders were given for confiscation, are you prepared to disobey that unlawful order? Which could hinder your status in the military. Or would you join the citizenry against the rouge government? That's the million dollar question.

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I'm glad to see the Oath keepers comment on here. If the new Feinstein AWB removes grandfathering clauses or manipulates the definition, and the order was given under a state of national emergency. Let's say that the orders were given for confiscation, are you prepared to disobey that unlawful order? Which could hinder your status in the military. Or would you join the citizenry against the rouge government? That's the million dollar question.
Yes i would disobey and in fact have the power to relieve those pushing the orders again by order of the UCMJ. So yes.

Thank god it wont ever come to this.
Let emotions calm down. this always happens after shootings. Dont freak until something looks like it WILL HAPPEN
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Most people are not careful on how they vote. To ensure this scenario would not happen, don't vote for people who would lead our country down this path. We are a country of laws, be carefull who you give the power to make these laws.
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Most people are not careful on how they vote. To ensure this scenario would not happen, don't vote for people who would lead our country down this path. We are a country of laws, be carefull who you give the power to make these laws.
Dude we voted to raise taxes on ourselves.
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Dude we voted to raise taxes on ourselves.
Yeah and lately elections have been more race driven then what people are actually saying. No wonder america is so low on the rest of the world in education
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I assume you all saw the confiscation after katrina video. Nra put out. Sickening. To bulldoze an old lady. To STEAL from those either protecting their property or getting out with their property. THAT IS NOT MORALLY ACCEPTABLE. That is Nazi. When you as a soldier or officer cannot see though fog of orders, at your fellow man and his rights, you have become a robot for the master. Just like all past murderous govt. Incrementally, just like gun rights, you become brainwashed into believing you are the only one allowed to protect yourself and the rest must be submissive to your maniacal ego. Not on my watch.
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I'm sorry, have you never heard of the patriot act? do you realize that a police officer can pull you over and search you and your car for absolutely any reason? what about the FCC regulations on tv and radio? or every firearm law on the book?

these are all perverse examples of OUR constitutional rights being stripped away. Wake up my friend, America has been taking away constitutional rights for over 80 years and the only thing the american people have demonstrated is the willingness to roll over and take it.
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I am, and have been for over 10 years now, a U.S. Marine Infantry-man and I would love to say, "NO, I would never take anyones guns if ordered to." It is easy to say that, here. The truth is, we damn well may end up taking everyone's guns if ordered to do so. The order will never blatantly come out saying, go take everyone's guns [for no good reason]. There will most certainly be a media twist put on the situation to help the military and local populace feel justified in the taking of peoples firearms. Not to mention that fact that people, in general, tend to do whatever everyone else around them is doing. If everyone else in your unit believes the taking of firearms is justified and they are doing it, you very well may end up doing it as well. There are examples throughout history where this is exactly the case, no matter how heinous the act. Look at My Lai, The Holocaust, or more recently Katrina.
On another note, if it ever did come to nation wide gun confiscations, I personally don't believe the US military would be sent around to do it. I think it more likely to be the Blue Helmets... or to a lesser extent, Canadians... Either way, Good luck.
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I'm sorry, have you never heard of the patriot act? do you realize that a police officer can pull you over and search you and your car for absolutely any reason? what about the FCC regulations on tv and radio? or every firearm law on the book?

these are all perverse examples of OUR constitutional rights being stripped away. Wake up my friend, America has been taking away constitutional rights for over 80 years and the only thing the american people have demonstrated is the willingness to roll over and take it.
Wrong, Was pulled over for speeding and told officer he CANNOT search my vehicle. No grounds for search. My dad was a cop for 34 years and you are mistaken on what local LEO can do. A fed maybe but not your locals
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Does any one think a Leo on this board would not do that?

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Wrong, Was pulled over for speeding and told officer he CANNOT search my vehicle. No grounds for search. My dad was a cop for 34 years and you are mistaken on what local LEO can do. A fed maybe but not your locals
Then I guess some cops don't know their rights. The Supreme Court ruled in Terry v Ohio that all a police officer needs to pull you over and search your car is "reasonable suspicion," which could be pretty much anything the officer says since its your word against his. Lets not also forget that in a court setting, police officers are the only people allowed (and in some cases, encouraged) to use heresay in their testimonies. So you can be searched if the officer says "some random concerned citizen said a guy in a Honda did this." Not only that, but if an officer says outloud "I smell marajuana," that constitutes reasonable suspicion and can search your car, then book you for anything he/she finds. Just because you don't get searched everytime you get stopped doesn't mean they can't do it. If that wasn't bad enough, in Florence v county of Burlington they ruled that police have the power to strip search even if you aren't being arrested, ie even from a traffic stop. I could go on and on, but I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm simply illustrating that the constitution has been under attack since its inception. Sadly, the other side is winning.
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