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Old 12-29-2012, 9:29 PM
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Default Taking the plunge in San Joaquin County

Finally decided to apply for LTC.

I have some questions...
(Some are stupid but I just don't want to screw it up. I also know where to find information and know that allot of the information will be provided in the CCW course.)

1. I have downloaded the Standard Application. Is this application the current one and being used in San Joaquin County?

2. I have some reasonable cause and would like to field some of those questions. Is it okay to discuss them here or through PM's with someone that has been through the process?

3. I live in Manteca, but travel all over San Joaquin working. This is part of the reason I need to carry. I should apply to the San Joaquin Sheriffs Office?

4. If I am approved to carry, then I need to take a course. Does anyone have advice for a good course In San Joaquin County or nearby?

5. Do I have to qualify with each weapon I list and what is the qualifying criteria?

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Finally decided to apply for LTC.

I have some questions...
(Some are stupid but I just don't want to screw it up. I also know where to find information and know that allot of the information will be provided in the CCW course.)

1. I have downloaded the Standard Application. Is this application the current one and being used in San Joaquin County?

2. I have some reasonable cause and would like to field some of those questions. Is it okay to discuss them here or through PM's with someone that has been through the process?

3. I live in Manteca, but travel all over San Joaquin working. This is part of the reason I need to carry. I should apply to the San Joaquin Sheriffs Office?

4. If I am approved to carry, then I need to take a course. Does anyone have advice for a good course In San Joaquin County or nearby?

5. Do I have to qualify with each weapon I list and what is the qualifying criteria?

I know, I know.....use the Search Button. Sifting through all the information out there is rough.
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I think I can answer #5 and #4.
In my county I did not have to qualify with the guns listed on the app. I used my little 22lr.

And people will recommend a place for you to go and take the class, but I found it best to go to the class and further research what was said to you. Buy some books about how to own a gun and stay out of jail.
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Some of the info is here - http://www.sjgov.org/sheriff/ccwproviders.htm

The answer to '5' is 'yes'; here's one course of fire
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For Sac County and most others, the course of fire is determined by the instructor. Amador County and a few others mandate a specific course of fire and even a specific target. Here's the course of fire that I use, unless the issuing agency mandates a specific one:

15 yards - 6 rounds, reload, then 6 more rounds
7 yards - 6 rounds, reload, then 6 more rounds
3 yards - 6 rounds, reload, then 6 more rounds
Your reload can either be an emergency or tactical reload, either is perfectly fine.
All shooting is performed standing, strong side, two handed, and drawn from the holster.
You must achieve at least 85% of your shots (31 out of 36 or 26 out of 30) in the large center thoracic cavity on a TQ-15 target.
If using a 5-shot firearm, you only need to shoot 5 rounds, reload, then 5 more rounds at each distance.
Yes, I think I'd try the Sheriff first. See also http://calgunsfoundation.org/resourc...n-joaquin.html
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I'm in Manteca as well and am trying to find my reasonable cause. Sadly, I am coming up short with ideas, other than what everyone else thinks, its my god given right to bear arms.
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Thanks to Librarian for information and the multiple links I was unaware of.
And a couple of Calgunner PM's

Next step....

Literature Review:I will be downloading the various CGF guides and resources and educating myself. Filling out the application on my computer and researching good cause, which I believe mine should be suitable.

Plan for training: Heading out to Bass Pro and buying some ammunition and clips...er, magazines. Sorry, couldn't resist. Snap Caps in a quantity for reloading practice as I plan on carrying a revolver as the primary.
HHS Speed Loaders, however I want to try Bianchi Strips.
Will practice at the range on the weekends. Looks like the reloading bench is going to have to be dusted off.

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I'm in Manteca as well and am trying to find my reasonable cause. Sadly, I am coming up short with ideas, other than what everyone else thinks, its my god given right to bear arms.
In San Joaquin, your good cause had better be "Because I need to escort this huge check to the Sheriff's re-election campaign office" or you probably won't be approved.

/also sitting on the San Joaquin sidelines waiting for the atmosphere to improve
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In San Joaquin, your good cause had better be "Because I need to escort this huge check to the Sheriff's re-election campaign office" or you probably won't be approved.

/also sitting on the San Joaquin sidelines waiting for the atmosphere to improve
That's my issue, gotta wait for it to get better :/
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I have 3 good causes at this time.

1. Self Protection
2. Transport precious metals and jewelry on a regular basis.
3. As a nurse, in my specific field, assumptions are that I carry drugs. (this particular reason for cause is a sticky wicket. I cannot carry while working, but I am well known in the communities I work, therefore can be attacked while off duty.)

If I am denied for those three reasons, I will gladly sue.
Most importantly, I make enough money to pay for an attorney and fight the fight.

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In San Joaquin, your good cause had better be "Because I need to escort this huge check to the Sheriff's re-election campaign office" or you probably won't be approved.

/also sitting on the San Joaquin sidelines waiting for the atmosphere to improve

So far from the truth.

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If you feel you have a good cause to carry which in SJ you will need then present your case with your application and interview. Good luck. Don't pay any mind to senseless comments like quoted above.
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So far from the truth.

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If you feel you have a good cause to carry which in SJ you will need then present your case with your application and interview. Good luck. Don't pay any mind to senseless comments like quoted above.
And that is my intent.
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I have a coworker who lives in San Joaquin County and he got a permit. It was a lot of hoops to go through but he got it. He didn't have any good cause beyond self defense of himself and his family. It's doable but a lot more hassle than Stanislaus County.
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I have 3 good causes at this time.

1. Self Protection
2. Transport precious metals and jewelry on a regular basis.
3. As a nurse, in my specific field, assumptions are that I carry drugs. (this particular reason for cause is a sticky wicket. I cannot carry while working, but I am well known in the communities I work, therefore can be attacked while off duty.)

If I am denied for those three reasons, I will gladly sue.
Most importantly, I make enough money to pay for an attorney and fight the fight.
In the current legal climate, if you sue on that basis, you will lose.

Because the law says the license MAY be issued, issuing agencies have complete discretion to issue or deny, for any reason or no reason.

Please apply; hang on for the results of Richards and Peruta, currently at the 9th Circuit, before considering legal action.
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I wish you luck, I went thru the whole process only to be denied in San Joaquin county, only to be approved using the same good cause here in stanislaus county!
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If you feel you have a good cause to carry which in SJ you will need then present your case with your application and interview. Good luck. Don't pay any mind to senseless comments like quoted above.
In what way is my comment senseless? Sheriff Moore is NOT LTC friendly and many people with very good justifications for carrying have been denied by his office. For a lot of people at this time, it is a waste of money and effort to even try. No sense getting folks hopes up when history has proven it will be an uphill battle.
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As a 21 year old I'll need a bit more time to have sincere just cause, maybe ill move to stanislaus
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In the current legal climate, if you sue on that basis, you will lose.

Because the law says the license MAY be issued, issuing agencies have complete discretion to issue or deny, for any reason or no reason.

Please apply; hang on for the results of Richards and Peruta, currently at the 9th Circuit, before considering legal action.
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In what way is my comment senseless? Sheriff Moore is NOT LTC friendly and many people with very good justifications for carrying have been denied by his office. For a lot of people at this time, it is a waste of money and effort to even try. No sense getting folks hopes up when history has proven it will be an uphill battle.
I hear you.
And you may be justified in your feelings, however there is more to applying than just having a just cause.

Even I, a lowly woman, knows that.
The interview is key. If you present yourself as someone that may be a risk to the community, then being denied is justified.

When I mentioned earlier about doing a "literature review" that means I will be doing much more than reading an application, conjuring up a cause and submitting my application. Then! Hope I interview well.

As a nurse, I can walk into a room and tell if a person is ill or not. Whether or not they are near death. It's taken me years to develop that skill. I would think the chief of police and an the sheriff have similarly developed skills.
Then again, I'm just a little old 50 year old lady that is soooo fragile.

Edit: I'm not being cocky. Rather, I'm being realistic and taking this seriously is exactly how I should approach it. Carrying is a serious issue and I do not take it lightly.

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I assume you've read through this whole thread

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...352789&page=16

You might not even get to the point where an interview is offered. Many applicants have had their GC statements and applications rejected. A few others were invited in for interviews where they were basically told not to get their hopes up. Overall it's a rather depressing situation.
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I wish you luck, I went thru the whole process only to be denied in San Joaquin county, only to be approved using the same good cause here in stanislaus county!
May I ask how that worked out? I currently live in Modesto, but my Permanent residence (Dads house) is in Ripon. I am not sure where to even bother applying at this point.
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QUOTE=ArcherDog;10057534]In San Joaquin, your good cause had better be "Because I need to escort this huge check to the Sheriff's re-election campaign office" or you probably won't be approved.[/QUOTE]


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In what way is my comment senseless? Sheriff Moore is NOT LTC friendly and many people with very good justifications for carrying have been denied by his office. For a lot of people at this time, it is a waste of money and effort to even try. No sense getting folks hopes up when history has proven it will be an uphill battle.
You comments are not accurate one bit. The only checks I wrote said paid to the order of San Joaquin sheriff department for the application, and the background. If Sheriff Moore did not believe in issuing permits than he would not issue them. The fact of the matter is he does issue them if you can show justification for him to do so.

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You comments are not accurate one bit. The only checks I wrote said paid to the order of San Joaquin sheriff department for the application, and the background. If Sheriff Moore did not believe in issuing permits than he would not issue them. The fact of the matter is he does issue them if you can show justification for him to do so.
There are a thread full of people above who had very good causes and were denied. Sure I know Sheriff Moore issues SOME permits but what are the chances of being approved? You may have had a really good cause and gotten lucky, doesn't mean your experience is common.

Is San Joaquin a Los Angeles or San Diego County? No, chances are better than those two places

Is San Joaquin a Sacramento or Stanislaus County, Hell no, nowhere close.

That's what I'm saying.
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Last info I have for San Joaquin is there are 321 total civilian LTC out there, (19 from Manteca PD, 204 from the Sheriff, since those are the two places mentioned) for 484K adult residents.

That's just 6 fewer than all of LA county, with 7.4 million adult residents.
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Last info I have for San Joaquin is there are 321 total civilian LTC out there, (19 from Manteca PD, 204 from the Sheriff, since those are the two places mentioned) for 484K adult residents.

That's just 6 fewer than all of LA county, with 7.4 million adult residents.
Thanks for the stats. 0.07% of all adults in SJ Co. have a LTC.
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1. Printed up the application for review and filling in data. This is not the one that I fill in on my computer. I do this when I want to ensure that all the data entered is correct, then I fill in an official document.

2. I have identified 3-handguns that I will be using, that I own.
Smith and Wesson MP 40; This is the full size pistol. I love this gun.
Smith and Wesson M649 Bodyguard; Love this gun too.
Baretta Tomcat; I'm loving my guns.

3. Bought another CCW holster for practice.
I now have all three that I will be using.
MP40; Holster and 2-magazine holder.
M649; Pancake holster and speedloader "holster"
Tomcat; Holster.....looking for a magazine holster to practice reloads. Would appreciate help on this one.
All holster are either Galco or DeSantis, high quality and very functional.

4. Got my Snap Caps for draw and reload practice. I need to order 32ACP Snap Caps still.

5. Have a sturdy belt for the holsters, but would like recommendations.

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Edit: 6. I have my employers firearm policy in hand.

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May I ask how that worked out? I currently live in Modesto, but my Permanent residence (Dads house) is in Ripon. I am not sure where to even bother applying at this point.
When I applied in San Joaquin county I lived in Tracy. But I moved to Modesto about a year later and then applied at the stanislaus county for my LTC.
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Good luck.
I spoke to a San Joaquin County jail correctional officer, I was told by that officer that the Sheriff there won't even sign off on them having CCW's.

Don't know if its true, but that's what the officer said.

Hopefully the Sheriff will issue, let us know.

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C'MON DOWN!! The climate here is much better than in SJC, fo sho!
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2. I have identified 3-handguns that I will be using, that I own.
Smith and Wesson MP 40; This is the full size pistol. I love this gun.
Smith and Wesson M649 Bodyguard; Love this gun too.
Baretta Tomcat; I'm loving my guns.
I think I may have met my soulmate....

AAAAND, I am also a nurse...

Seriously, though, OHOD. Wish you luck with the LTC. I am with you in the belief that the interview is a feeling out process. Keep us all posted and don't listen to all the naysayers and knuckleheads. Even IF you are denied at least you had what it takes to go through with it. Keep applying until they give in and give it to you...
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I used On Target in Modesto for my CCW class. Enexpensive and professional. My instructor was an officer from Escalon PD. You also might consider applying through Manteca PD instead of SJC Sherriff's office. If you live in the city limits you can apply through either one. I have no idea what Manteca PD's track record is but worth a look considering SJC's.

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I used On Target in Modesto for my CCW class. Enexpensive and professional. My instructor was an officer from Escalon PD. You also might consider applying through Manteca PD instead of SJC Sherriff's office. If you live in the city limits you can apply through either one. I have no idea what Manteca PD's track record is but worth a look considering SJC's.

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You can apply at Manteca if you are in the limits!?!?! I may be saved!
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Good luck.
I spoke to a San Joaquin County jail correctional officer, I was told by that officer that the Sheriff there won't even sign off on them having CCW's.

Don't know if its true, but that's what the officer said.

Hopefully the Sheriff will issue, let us know.
Not true, my brother works as a CO and was issued a LTC by the sheriff.
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I live in unincorparated San Juaquin county. I am also a civilian and I was granted a ccw by the sheriff. You need to show good cause but don't overdue it. When I first applied it took about 5 weeks to complete.
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:49 PM
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Where would one expect to find the good cause statements for SJ County?
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Good cause? Well I go fishing a lot and have to go to Stockton for my elderly mother who resides there. When I'm fishing in the boonies of Stockton and just traveling thru Stockton I feel like I'm a target. My wife is disabled and I'm not too quick on my feet either.
I would go talk to the Sheriff in person first to see if he seems receptive. I had to qualify for each gun, but was able to add additional guns on the CCW permit without qualifying. This is in Ripon though. Each agency has their own requirements.
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Old 02-11-2013, 6:34 AM
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Any updates on your pursuit?
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Old 02-12-2013, 7:19 PM
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Im still gonna try one I get my glock
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I can tell you San Joaquin is NOT CCW friendly. Here may not be the best place to put it, but my cause was good and still denied.

I caught someone breaking into my vehicles in my driveway. I had my home pistol but choose not to shoot for various reasons. Local PD had the guy rolled up in an hour. Known gang member, when I made positive identification he threatened to kill me in front of the PD. An hour later he walked with a court date. Seen him near my home twice. DENIED

15 years active military
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Sheriff doesn't feel I have enough training or a justifiable threat.


Hijack over, just needed to vent!


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Was one of those reasons that shooting someone committing a property crime in CA will land you in jail?
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Old 02-14-2013, 7:07 AM
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Absolutely, but I still have the right to confront him and defend my property, I was simply prepared if he chose to escalate. California currently has no law saying I must retreat.


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Well said...but I would phrase it "...and protect my property."
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