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Old 12-29-2012, 4:58 AM
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Default New to prepping and could use some advice.

So I have recently got into prepping in the past 6 months, I have some stuff nailed down already but could use so tips, I am also going to point out I am trying to prep for a family of 4, the 4 being my self, my brother, my mother and my father.

That being said we have various things that we have used over the years to go camping, hiking and other outdoor activities.

The items we have are things like 3 large family size tents, military style sleeping systems most of the general stuff you would use while camping such as cooking and eating supplies (not including food) cooking stoves stuff like that.

I also have my personal firearms which include my, RIA 1911 .45, Remington 700 .30-06, Glock 22 .40 S&W and my Mossberg 500, I also have plenty of ruck sacks or bug out bags which range from current military issue to Viet Nam style ALICE packs.

I just need to be pointed in the right direction as far as things I need to get, and a starting point.

Any help would be nice guys, Thank You and have a Happy New Year.
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Old 12-29-2012, 6:47 AM
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Water, food, first aid, water, food, clothing, tools, water, food, first.

Repeat until you repeat some more.

The rule of 3s sticks out in my mind for prepping: In extreme conditions, generally, you can live 3 minutes without air, 3 hours without shelter, 3 days without water, 3 weeks without food.

After you gather all of your preps, you'll need someway to transport them in case you decide to bug out.
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You can survive for:
3 weeks without food,
3 days without water,
3 seconds without oxygen.

How is your water situation? A hot water heater has several gallons of useable water in it.
Bromine tablets are easy enough to get for water purification. If you know you have no heavy metals in the waters near you, a simple glass or plastic container left in the direct sunlight for a few hours will kill harmful bacteria.

If just starting out you may want to adopt a policy of "copy canning."
Make an inventory of your pantry, and get a base line of canned goods, fruits, veggies, food stuffs. Nothing to break the bank, just a few.

When you use them though you list out which ones were used, and you purchase double the ammount. So it spreads out the cost of the items over a period of time. And every time you use a can, you replace it with 2 more.
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Old 12-29-2012, 8:30 AM
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So I have recently got into prepping in the past 6 months, I have some stuff nailed down already but could use so tips, I am also going to point out I am trying to prep for a family of 4, the 4 being my self, my brother, my mother and my father.

That being said we have various things that we have used over the years to go camping, hiking and other outdoor activities.

The items we have are things like 3 large family size tents, military style sleeping systems most of the general stuff you would use while camping such as cooking and eating supplies (not including food) cooking stoves stuff like that.

I also have my personal firearms which include my, RIA 1911 .45, Remington 700 .30-06, Glock 22 .40 S&W and my Mossberg 500, I also have plenty of ruck sacks or bug out bags which range from current military issue to Viet Nam style ALICE packs.

I just need to be pointed in the right direction as far as things I need to get, and a starting point.

Any help would be nice guys, Thank You and have a Happy New Year.
Water. 1 Gal/person/day with ways to gather it, carry it, clean it and store it.
3 ways to make fire. Example, Bic lighter, matches and magnesium fire starter.
Tinder. Dryer lint soaked in flamable liquid. Hand sanitizer etc..
Rain ponchos for everyone. Makes good shelter too.
Decide on one tent and hopefully it's a light one.
Buy things that are usefull for more than one job. Duct tape as an example. Repair gear, fix holes in tent or keep blisters from rubbing etc..
You understand where I'm going with this.
Figure on 2000 calories a day per person. Read food packages and do the math.
4x4 gause pads and Triple Antibiotic Ointment. Add good old bandaids. Different sizes. Tylenol and Ibuprofen.
The list goes on but it's a start.
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I have been stocking up on simple things; cereal, canned goods, water filters, suplements, ammo and silver. Oh, yea, always keep a fuel tank of gas.
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Check YouTube for cheap, easy to make portable water filtration system,
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Cases of bottled water.
Gallon jugs of water.
Water storage containers.
Canned and dry food (pasta, rice, mixes, crackers, etc.)
Cooking equipment and fuel
First aid supplies
Transportation and fuel
Generator
Weapons
Ammo


That's the basics.
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Look into Aquaponics and solar panels, know your local mountains
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:55 AM
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You can survive for:
3 weeks without food,
3 days without water,
3 seconds without oxygen.

How is your water situation? A hot water heater has several gallons of useable water in it.
Bromine tablets are easy enough to get for water purification. If you know you have no heavy metals in the waters near you, a simple glass or plastic container left in the direct sunlight for a few hours will kill harmful bacteria.

If just starting out you may want to adopt a policy of "copy canning."
Make an inventory of your pantry, and get a base line of canned goods, fruits, veggies, food stuffs. Nothing to break the bank, just a few.

When you use them though you list out which ones were used, and you purchase double the ammount. So it spreads out the cost of the items over a period of time. And every time you use a can, you replace it with 2 more.
Truth.

I know almost nobody who stores enough water. Look where most of us live, earthquake prone areas with 100 year old water mains. Even if the government brings in enough bottled water for drinking or cooking on your BBQ, do you want to stand in line for hours for that water? Will you use some of that ration to keep your toilet and sink traps primed? Have you ever smelled a dry trap? No to mention the health risks.

If you have enough water, there may be a situation where you can still flush your toilet with a bucket.
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...If you have enough water, there may be a situation where you can still flush your toilet with a bucket.
That's a bad idea if you don't have a septic system, but everyone's going to do it anyway.

If the power's out, the nearest treatment plant probably won't be running. The pipes will eventually backup and it will start overflowing, probably in your yard.
If there's enough backed up pressure in the system, when you flush and open your backwater or check valve, it will probably blow back into the house.


Unless they have some override where they just let it go through or emergency power. Don't really know.
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http://www.boston.com/news/local/con...YeO/story.html

Where I work, we operate our own treatment plant and do maintain back up. While this back up is a standard generator and relies on fuel to continue running. We also have a secondary option to bypass half treated and untreated sewage for the short term. After this, back up will occur.

As far prepping, I follow the rule of three's as others have mentioned. I also do the buy an extra can of whatever I am purchasing, here and there. Once I finished my first bag, I started on the next and slowly build from there.
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Ok thanks guys for all the tips.
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That's a bad idea if you don't have a septic system, but everyone's going to do it anyway.

If the power's out, the nearest treatment plant probably won't be running. The pipes will eventually backup and it will start overflowing, probably in your yard.
If there's enough backed up pressure in the system, when you flush and open your backwater or check valve, it will probably blow back into the house.


Unless they have some override where they just let it go through or emergency power. Don't really know.
That is why I said there may be a situation. I would always make sure the traps are primed.

I was talking about the standard problems we have seen in the past. If the sewer plants are out for a prolonged time, that is bordering on SHTF.
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Best advice I ever got was go out and walk around your neighborhood. You miss a lot of things just driving in your car.

2nd best advice was talk to your neighbors.
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Personal hygine needs...and toilet paper. I expect TP to be the next gold standard.
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small hand ax/hatchet
small hand saw
small shovel (fixed handle)
empty 5 gallon buckets with lids
generator
rechargable battery car starter with 12v and 120v outlets. Don't skimp on this one. Get a good one. You can expect to pay $100 or more for a good one. This will come in handy not only to jump start your car but power up your computer, small appliance, or re-charge your cell phone.
fire extinguishers (dry chemical and water)
N-95 dust masks, goggles, good disposable gloves
wool blankets (it does not need to be 100% but a wool blend would be good too)
leather gloves for everyone (not only for home use but also leave a pair in your vehicles)
gas cans (have at leat two 5 gallon container)
siphon pump for gas and long multi-use plastic funnel (leave in your vehicle)
inventer (minimum 400 watts or higher so you can run your 120v devices. Just know what's the watt draw is before hand)
bolt cutter
plenty of water (if you have the space 5 gallon, 15 gallon, 30 gallon, 55 gallon, 275 gallon. Choose which container would suite your location. Just keep in mind the larger container would be hard to move. So choose wisely location wise)
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...If you have enough water, there may be a situation where you can still flush your toilet with a bucket.
If you don't have enough water....you can also get a large supply of 15 gal trash can liners. Line the toilet just like a trash can, close the seat and do your business. Then remove the liner and put it outside in a bucket or bury it. I would save your water, even if it needs treatment.
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^ great list
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One thing that you can not overstock is water. Get several 5 or 10 gallon water jugs and fill them. Date them. Refill them every 3 to 6 months.

Buy and extra 5 lb bag of rice or dried beans every so often. Buy an extra can of whatever you are purchasing for regular use. Stock up some packages of your favorite pasta. You don't have to buy a year's supply at once. Buy a little at a time.

First aid and hygiene supplies:--You might consider a supply of any medication anyone in the family takes on a regular basis. Stock a small supply of latex or plastic gloves. Toothpaste and toilet paper. I would also suggest some baby wipes.

The list can go on and on. For how long do you think you need to be stocked? We started with 3 days and began to build slowly from there.
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Older but excellent video

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Sounds like you need a basic .22lr rifle or pistol and like 1-5k rds. Go to www.shtfplan.com and other sites like that for ideas.
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Yes I do, I plan on getting my self a Ruger 10/22 Real soon.
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Yes I do, I plan on getting my self a Ruger 10/22 Real soon.
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Listen to these podcasts for some really good basic advice www.battery1234.com
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Listen to these podcasts for some really good basic advice www.battery1234.com
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Default Prepping 101: Learn the ways of Army Special Forces

This is my personal opinion on the matter.
When preparing for a SHTF or bug out situation you and your family will want to adopt some pretty basic principles.

1) "Acquire" through combat or purchase several high capacity assault/battle rifles with a range of at least 500 yards. Ak-74 platforms do a marvelous job of combining accuracy with reliability and design simplicity (hint, hint).

2) Buy or acquire a combat vest and magazines with the ability to carry a couple hundred rounds on your person. This goes for all your family members. Ammo goes quick, especially under stress shooting conditions. One 30RD mag may last you less than 2 minutes if your not careful.

3) Get EMT certified. First aid gear is worthless without training

4) Get off your *** and exercise. If you cant run a mile in 9 minutes or less you most likely wont have the stamina to "bug out" more than a few miles in a stressful heart pounding situation.

5) Buy camelbacks and METAL water bottles, enough to carry at least 5 liters of water on your person at a time.

6) Buy dried and canned food, a weeks worth at least.

7) Have 7 gallons of water stored per member of your family.

8) Study how the Army SF operate, learn an "MOS" and get good at it. Cross train and learn each others jobs.

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Water(get bottled water and keep the bottles to reuse), canned food, dried food, MRE's, knives, first aid supplies(as much as possible obviously), read up on survival skills and practice those skills. A good book is Camping and Survival by Paul Tarwell. I got that one for Xmas and it has skills like trapping and lots of info about a whole bunch of stuff. Obviously you want weapons too. Stock up on ammunition for your guns.
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Water(get bottled water and keep the bottles to reuse), canned food, dried food, MRE's, knives, first aid supplies(as much as possible obviously), read up on survival skills and practice those skills. A good book is Camping and Survival by Paul Tarwell. I got that one for Xmas and it has skills like trapping and lots of info about a whole bunch of stuff. Obviously you want weapons too. Stock up on ammunition for your guns.
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I found this to be a great thread and a great check off list.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=229061

there are others out there but this is a great tool. print out the PDF and check it off as you go.

having been in construction for a good part of my life I saw the need to have a traveling tool bag with non power tools. i can barter myself a living if need be. point is pick up a skill and do it well. it will help feed the family when the going gets tough.
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I found this to be a great thread and a great check off list.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=229061

there are others out there but this is a great tool. print out the PDF and check it off as you go.

having been in construction for a good part of my life I saw the need to have a traveling tool bag with non power tools. i can barter myself a living if need be. point is pick up a skill and do it well. it will help feed the family when the going gets tough.
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