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Old 12-24-2012, 3:47 PM
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first i want to to say sorry if i post this in the wrong place.

i am in the market for a bullet proof shield for my family protection incase if invader kick down the door i don't want to get injured while defending my family. it will need to handle all the hand gun rounds include 44 mag and also rifle rounds such as 223 and 7.62x39 ak rounds. looking for a full size shield. any one here can point me to the right direction? Thanks in advance.

below is what i am looking at so some thing similar.
http://www.chiefsupply.com/4196-Prot...ort-Black.aspx
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Old 12-24-2012, 4:14 PM
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Make your own out of 3/4" steel and skip all the hassle involved with trying to acquire one.

Life involves risk. No matter what precautions you take there is always some amount of risk. Accept that, train as best you can to mitigate as much as you can & leave the rest to God. You'll sleep better.
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Old 12-24-2012, 4:32 PM
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steel would be so heavy you won't be able to lift it with 1 hand plus no bullet proof viewing glass.

life does involves risk but if armed robber get into you house and you are not prepared it could mean life and death.

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Don't believe I have ever seen a shield that will defeat rifle rounds. They exist they just are too heavy/expensive to be practical for a full shield. 24 lbs may not seem like a lot of weight until you have to move with it and fight at the same time.
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Seems like it would be easier to build a better front door.
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steel would be so heavy you won't be able to lift it with 1 hand plus no bullet proof viewing glass.

life does involves risk but if armed robber get into you house and you are not prepared it could mean life and death.
....a bullet proof shield isn't preparing. Even if you had what you seek you would loose precious time pulling it out and whatever counter measures you need to take.

Honestly, what you are asking for is a bit far fetched. I believe most home invasions involve handguns or something other then a high powered weapon. The probability of you needing to defeat a high powered weapon in a home invasion is low. With that being the case, you could probably achieve what you are trying to achieve with a level III or IV bulletproof vest. Again, no hassle trying to acquire restricted materials. lighter & easier to handle. Your defensive weapon can be attached to your vest for an easy transition into defending your family.
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Old 12-24-2012, 5:36 PM
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If that is what you really want, check out the Go Shield from Point Blank Body Armor.

http://www.pointblankarmor.com/lawEn...t/goShield.php
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If that is what you really want, check out the Go Shield from Point Blank Body Armor.

http://www.pointblankarmor.com/lawEn...t/goShield.php
Sexy - too late to get it for Christmas - and only @ $1300...
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3a at best,not rifle
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get real thik steel plate and bolt handle to it. or get 6 inch concrete and replave door with concrete. or dig tunnel unde r house and go down in hole when bad gy kick down door.
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My suggestion is fix the door situation, and make it impossible to kick in. Start with adding a steel screen door, and keep it locked. You could the upgrade your front door to a steel door, or go with a solid hardwood door - like oak.

I'd also reinforce the jams, there are some steel reinfocrement kits sold to do that, including buying the reinforcement kit for the hinge side.

Making it next to impossible to kick in the door buys you time to retreat to a safer part of the house that you can defend, and allows time to call for the poilce.

You can also do an interior steel bedroom door, and reinforce those jams as well. Chances are nobody is going to be that motivated to work on getting through the first door, only to have to do it all over again. That would also buy you plenty of time to call the cops, and get your family to a defendable position.
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Investing in a shield is a tough one. You would have to walk around the house carrying a 26 pound door, because you never know when the bad guys are going to kick in the door.

Sounds like a non-starter.
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Maybe personal armor would be better. Bulletproofme.com sells surplus police vests fairly cheap. And fix the doors.
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Old 12-25-2012, 8:59 AM
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I'd agree that a shield seems like a bit much. Buy a vest, and go train. You'll be better off than trying to live through a gunfight while carrying a steel door on one arm and trying to accurately fire a pistol with the other hand, if it comes to that.
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Old 12-25-2012, 9:58 AM
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I'd invest on devices that would tell you ahead of time that someone is coming or on your property. Reinforcing you front door would be the next step. Think of defensive layers. You may want to look into having a shatter proof film put on your windows. That would delay the intruder for a bit and buy you and your family time to be at the ready.
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They make a good one out of Vibranium, I think they are a little expensive though

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Seems like it would be easier to build a better front door.
Lol my thoughts too.
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:10 AM
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I'd also reinforce the jams, there are some steel reinfocrement kits sold to do that, including buying the reinforcement kit for the hinge side.
Thanks for the link. Looked it and some reviews over and bought one to give it a try. If it is as good as it looks, I will pickup some for the other doors in the house.
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Old 12-25-2012, 4:31 PM
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You can do this. Make one or have a carrier made for multiple level 4 plates and hope they don't shoot between them.

Not cheap, easy, or perfect, but will offer some protection.

I think what you want is a safe room, or a closet that's armored in some way.
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Seems like it would be easier to build a better front door.
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Unless you live in a true mansion or castle, the only person who would LIKELY benefit from your pricey shield purchase would be the company that made it and sold it to you. And mean this sincerely. Look at the folks who use shields the most. They go into OTHER people's homes or property. If its your home of modest and usual size, you should be able to spend good money on a couple of solid doors. You could also get a beautiful bookcase and fill it with wonderful books.

Try shooting a few stacked books with handguns and rifles and you'll understand that by being creative, you can get FAR more enjoyment in your home with something that multi tasks than a pricy shield.

You might consider a ballistic vest, as that would seem to be a benefit in more than just bullet protection. It might help prevent injury in a natural disaster by covering your vitals.

Of course, nobody knows your situation better than you... And if a shield is what you are set on and you want it to be rifle rated, do be prepared to give up portability and increased fatigue to carry it in front of you, rather than around your body. Best wishes on your quest!
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I use security doors. You can buy some for just over $100 at Lowes or Home Depot. They are easy to install. If you don't like the look they have some much nicer one's that will cost about $1500 installed. I have the cheappo one on the entrance to the garage and the nice one on the front door. I've used them on all the homes I have owned, well worth the peace of mind.
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As you can see, Most Calgunners are incapable of answering questions posed, mostly because they have no idea WTF they are talking about, but they're the type of guys that don't let that fact slow their mouths down.

Now, if I was going to build my own shield and needed to keep the weight down, I would buy some off the shelf body armour and fasten it to some sort of wood or aluminum substrate. Ceramic rifle strike plates, maybe or better yet buy a couple dragon skin vests and disassemble and arrange them on your shield frame



or buy 2-3 of these and overlap them them at 4.4 lbs each not too bad a weight. http://www.blackhawk.com/product/bal...lone,32,91.htm
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Neither Blackhawk nor DragonSkin sell to civilians. LEO and MIL only.

What was that you were saying about not knowing what you're talking about?



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As you can see, Most Calgunners are incapable of answering questions posed, mostly because they have no idea WTF they are talking about, but they're the type of guys that don't let that fact slow their mouths down.

Now, if I was going to build my own shield and needed to keep the weight down, I would buy some off the shelf body armour and fasten it to some sort of wood or aluminum substrate. Ceramic rifle strike plates, maybe or better yet buy a couple dragon skin vests and disassemble and arrange them on your shield frame



or buy 2-3 of these and overlap them them at 4.4 lbs each not too bad a weight. http://www.blackhawk.com/product/bal...lone,32,91.htm
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While I like the idea of a shield, it is impractical. Why? Because a door kick is surprise attack. If you are home, chances are that you and your family will probably be in different rooms and caught off-guard. Where is the shield? probably not close-by.

How many family members will be hiding behind the shield? How old are they? Got infants?? Who is on point? And who is the designated defender? Holding any shield and using a handgun/shotgun/ baseball bat takes lots of practice. So many other variables make a portable shield less than ideal.

For whatever you're willing to pay for a shield, harden your target. Don't start at the door. Start at the property line with fencing, signage and a gate. A Dog in the yard. Motion lights. Alarm systems. Obvious cameras, etc.

Most of all, and this part is free; have a plan.. For example; if the kids hear a loud noise followed by daddy/mommy screaming a specific code word, immediately leave the house through the nearest exit point and go to a designated safe place. Ensure that everyone in the family knows the plan and practice it regularly.
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1'x1'x1" Steel plate = 40lbs.

I'd go with a better front door as well.
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i have this one in level IIIA
http://www.unitedshield.com/kent_ballistic_shield.htm
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And a Point Blank 4x6 Level IIIA Ballistic Blanket for your bed.
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Human shields make for excellent protection, but remember to use a fat chick as skinny ones don't offer much in the way of shielding.
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Good thing they won't think to come in through a window...
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i think squidward hit it on the head. have a comprehensive plan for all members of your family. if some one comes crashing through your door who knows where everyone will be at? make sure you practice your plan as well, talking about it once seems like it would be next to useless, do a few drills at least, that way the memory of what to do is set a bit better. a shield is fine, as part of a larger plan though...
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