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Old 04-19-2016, 6:20 PM
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After today the question comes up, 'What do we do now, how do I get involved in fighting back?'
First things first, everyone is angry and wants to do something NOW, I get that and share that sentiment. However much of what I'm seeing posted here and elsewhere is NOT our best course. Emotional responses and knee jerk responses are the forte of the people trying to curtail our rights and liberties not us and they do us no good.

What to do now: These bills still have to go through the Assembly and Senate as well as Appropriation which mean the fight is still on.
We got hit, hard, but we're not out and now it's time to start swinging.

Go here: http://cgssa.org/ and contact our Volunteer Coordinator to learn how to help get the word out and how to get supplies and information to get as many people as possible voicing their opposition to this nonsense.

Go here: http://www.stoptheammograb.com/ and sign up as a volunteer to stop both Newsom's Folly and these bills and donate to help provide solid resources to educate gun owners and non-gun owners about what they are trying to do to our rights.

Go here: http://www.stoptheammograb.com/about and see all the 2A organizations, shooting sports associations and even law enforcement organizations that are banding together to work as a team towards a common goal. Most of us are in some way affiliated with one or more of these groups find the one you like and contact them and ask what you can do. We're all working together so your efforts through one group benefit all.

Go here: https://www.nraila.org/donate/, donations to NRA -ILA from California STAY in California and help fight these bills and Newsom's Folly. There can be no lawsuits until these bills pass and are signed, while the goal we are driving for is to have ALL of them fail if some don't NRA-ILA and your donations will be funding the Coalition for Civil Liberties legal actions.

It doesn't matter what you are good at or know how to do or not, every one of us brings a skill and talent to the table and those talents are needed and every one of them has a place.
I'm not Wayne LaPierre, I'm not Chuck Michel, I'm not Ed Worley and I can't do what they do. But I can do what I can do and do it to fight this attempt to infringe upon our rights and to take our property.

It's time to stop waiting for someone else to fix things.
It's time to roll up our sleeves and get to work.
It's time to put your talents to work for your rights and for your children's rights.
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Thanks for reminding everyone to get involved.

I am having trouble finding information on what bills passed and what they propose. Is there a thread or post that outlines them all together?
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After today the question comes up, 'What do we do now, how do I get involved in fighting back?'
First things first, everyone is angry and wants to do something NOW, I get that and share that sentiment. However much of what I'm seeing posted here and elsewhere is NOT our best course. Emotional responses and knee jerk responses are the forte of the people trying to curtail our rights and liberties not us and they do us no good.

What to do now: These bills still have to go through the Assembly and Senate as well as Appropriation which mean the fight is still on.
We got hit, hard, but we're not out and now it's time to start swinging.

Go here: http://cgssa.org/ and contact our Volunteer Coordinator to learn how to help get the word out and how to get supplies and information to get as many people as possible voicing their opposition to this nonsense.

Go here: http://www.stoptheammograb.com/ and sign up as a volunteer to stop both Newsom's Folly and these bills and donate to help provide solid resources to educate gun owners and non-gun owners about what they are trying to do to our rights.

Go here: http://www.stoptheammograb.com/about and see all the 2A organizations, shooting sports associations and even law enforcement organizations that are banding together to work as a team towards a common goal. Most of us are in some way affiliated with one or more of these groups find the one you like and contact them and ask what you can do. We're all working together so your efforts through one group benefit all.

Go here: https://www.nraila.org/donate/, donations to NRA -ILA from California STAY in California and help fight these bills and Newsom's Folly. There can be no lawsuits until these bills pass and are signed, while the goal we are driving for is to have ALL of them fail if some don't NRA-ILA and your donations will be funding the Coalition for Civil Liberties legal actions.

It doesn't matter what you are good at or know how to do or not, every one of us brings a skill and talent to the table and those talents are needed and every one of them has a place.
I'm not Wayne LaPierre, I'm not Chuck Michel, I'm not Ed Worley and I can't do what they do. But I can do what I can do and do it to fight this attempt to infringe upon our rights and to take our property.

It's time to stop waiting for someone else to fix things.
It's time to roll up our sleeves and get to work.
It's time to put your talents to work for your rights and for your children's rights.
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I need to do something for sure, this is insanity.
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I am having trouble finding information on what bills passed and what they propose. Is there a thread or post that outlines them all together?

GunMegeddon tomorrow...
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1188538
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Ever since the Stockton Schoolyard Shooting of January 17, 1989 I have heard individuals who can only be described as ignorant and apathetic whiners and cowards preach the near end to legal firearms ownership in CA. For 27 years they have been wrong thus far.

During that 27 years there have always been a large number of courageous, hard-working heroes doing all they can to protect our RKBA here in CA. It's these people that have made a real difference and not the aforementioned.

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I think the only thing we can do is start getting the free states involved in this fight. How can we get them to care, and is there any way they can hurt our economy through sanctions? This might seem ridiculous...but these bills being passed are insane. There has to be a point where other states need to start butting in and say...hold on here...this is the U.S. Constitution were talking about...we can't just let certain states walk all over it...right?
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Hit the gym even harder.

Save more money.

Train. Train. Train.

Stay focused.

Volunteer.

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The best we can all do is stay and fight. I'm tired or hearing from the quitters bragging about how great their new state is.

It's bad enough they abandoned the fight, but to brag about being a quitter here?

Go form Texas Guns, Arizona Guns or whatever.
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Hey Kes, thanks for the info. I think there is a big opportunity to get a lot of quiet gun owners involved. I know for a fact there at a lot of us gun owners in Silicon Valley that work for social media companies. But I think we need to get them involved as frictionless as possible and turn them into advocates.

Here are some of my thoughts:
- utilize social media and maybe start a change.org petition
- use common sense and modern approach to messaging like "why implement wasteful gun control laws that have no guarantee of working; in could only exacerbate our prison population problems"
- tone down polarizing anti-liberal banter; used to alienate people like me. I'm neither a republican or democrat (both have their flaws)
- every person counts so we should try to be more inclusive rather than "eff you so move out of this country then" when striking dialogue with others who might not support 2A yet

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We need to get a company who can make a whole lot of .17 WInchester Super Magnum cases necked up to .22 caliber...
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We need to get to those folks who are indifferent about guns in general, but are keen on Constitutional protections, and are not aware of what is going on in the 2A arena.

I have many friends and colleagues who are conservatives and who believe that we have certain inalienable rights. But they don't hunt, they don't shoot. They don't own a gun.

These bills have no impact on them. None. They aren't hoplophobes, just disaffected. It is these folks who we need to reach out to. They can make the difference for us.
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The best we can all do is stay and fight. I'm tired or hearing from the quitters bragging about how great their new state is.

It's bad enough they abandoned the fight, but to brag about being a quitter here?

Go form Texas Guns, Arizona Guns or whatever.
I very much agree. It seems to be almost like sex for some of those cowards to post how glorious they feel their new homes are.

Truth be told if the were actually as happy as they claim, they would be living their new lives and not trying to sell their new lives -- largely to themselves it would appear.
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Hey Kes, thanks for the info. I think there is a big opportunity to get a lot of quiet gun owners involved. I know for a fact there at a lot of us gun owners in Silicon Valley that work for social media companies. But I think we need to get them involved as frictionless as possible and turn them into advocates.

Here are some of my thoughts:
- utilize social media and maybe start a change.org petition
- use common sense and modern approach to messaging like "why implement wasteful gun control laws that have no guarantee of working; in could only exacerbate our prison population problems"
- tone down polarizing anti-liberal banter; used to alienate people like me. I'm neither a republican or democrat (both have their flaws)
- every person counts so we should try to be more inclusive rather than "eff you so move out of this country then" when striking dialogue with others who might not support 2A yet

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Or you could remember to vote for a candidate that is pro gun and not waste your vote on a third party dream while letting an anti gun zealot walk into office. Just saying....that's what you can do now.
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I whole heartily agree with you! Stay and fight! My friends that have left California are mad they did and now want to come back and can't afford to lol.

We need a champion, a face. We need a Kurt Russell. Look at what Dee Snyder (twisted sister) did for music and the 1st amendment in the 80s early 90s. Right now the evil NRA and Texas open carriers are our face and we don't look very attractive.
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Just left a local gun store and there was a bunch of talk about this going on. I heard one "gent" say, "and this is why I am not a NRA member"... "They never do anything for CA"

So here we are again....how many of you who are jumping up and down and all ticked off...are still NOT NRA members?

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This is the POV for those who need perfection out of an imperfect world. Things must be their way, no other way, and since its not they won't help, vote, or make a difference - except to benefit the polar opposite group who will take away our rights and in fact - want too.


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Just left a local gun store and there was a bunch of talk about this going on. I heard one "gent" say, "and this is why I am not a NRA member"... "They never do anything for CA"

So here we are again....how many of you who are jumping up and down and all ticked off...are still NOT NRA members?

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The best we can all do is stay and fight. I'm tired or hearing from the quitters bragging about how great their new state is.

It's bad enough they abandoned the fight, but to brag about being a quitter here?

Go form Texas Guns, Arizona Guns or whatever.
As has been posted here more times than I can count...

The reasons for leaving CA do not indicate RKBA is the major reason...rising taxes, CA's welcome mat to the FSA and friendly non-documented visitors, decline in public schools, heavy union influence, etc. generally prevail.

Bragging? I think if people post how they've bettered their and their family's lives, more power to them.

Quitter? Any general knows when to reform, realign, and fight back. A review California history indicates general dismissal of both the Constitution and Bill of Rights. And it doesn't really matter if you live in a "tony", as you call it, town or in the middle of LA.


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I whole heartily agree with you! Stay and fight! My friends that have left California are mad they did and now want to come back and can't afford to lol.

We need a champion, a face. We need a Kurt Russell. Look at what Dee Snyder (twisted sister) did for music and the 1st amendment in the 80s early 90s. Right now the evil NRA and Texas open carriers are our face and we don't look very attractive.
Many would "stay and fight", though history has demonstrated the futility of that mindset in major population centers in the state.

Your friends did not do their homework before moving, and / or were not serious about leaving the state. Step 1 is find a job. Step 1A is to plan an exit strategy if you think you might have the most remote reason for ever moving back. If you can't find a reason, go forward. If you have a reason, plan an exit strategy from your new state. Own a home? Lease it for a while until you're sure you can put down roots in the new state.

Trying the same approach over and over and expecting different results continues not to work in the state of California.
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Is this not what the anti gunners say "if it wasn't for the NRA we could pass this common sense blah blah blah" and "the only people who care about guns are white rednecks from Texas" tell me you haven't read this kind of crap all over the place for the last God knows how long.
We need a better representative of gun owners, we need celebrity involvement in target shooting, hunting and all in the media.
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I'm beginning to question the real motivation of those who continue to pitch the "all is lost" and/or "there's honor in running away" approach to the battle before us.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
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Great post Kestryll.

What am I going to do?

Donate to the NRA-ILA, buy some cartridge boxes and influence others to do the same.

Might even buy nice semi-auto rifle too.
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Many would "stay and fight", though history has demonstrated the futility of that mindset in major population centers in the state.
I sure am glad that you weren't around in the revolutionary time to tell George Washington about the futility of his fight against the reigning world super power. Otherwise, we would be drinking tea and have bad teeth

I do agree that gun owners have to let go of the idiotic arm waving and yelling about gun rights. It just strengthens the media narrative about THEM "gun nuts". Once you are looked as OTHER, you have lost the battle.

The time has come to fight for our rights intelligently NOT emotionally.
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I sure am glad that you weren't around in the revolutionary time to tell George Washington about the futility of his fight against the reigning world super power. Otherwise, we would be drinking tea and have bad teeth

I do agree that gun owners have to let go of the idiotic arm waving and yelling about gun rights. It just strengthens the media narrative about THEM "gun nuts". Once you are looked as OTHER, you have lost the battle.

The time has come to fight for our rights intelligently NOT emotionally.
We've collectively been fighting for our rights as long or longer than I've been here. We seem to losing on 2-3 bills each year, and those that we defeat or the governor veto's come right back a year latter.

As to the George Washington example, I have no doubt I would have been in his army or the militia. Differences between moving between countries and founding a new country, and moving between states should be more than a no-brainer.

As to "quitting", I still give 5-figures a year to the NRA folks and ask that it all be spent in California.
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The best we can all do is stay and fight. I'm tired or hearing from the quitters bragging about how great their new state is.

It's bad enough they abandoned the fight, but to brag about being a quitter here?

Go form Texas Guns, Arizona Guns or whatever.
Yeah, it is terrible that people got smart and left a sinking ship....me personally, I'm starting to see a whole bunch of "the sky is falling" organizations popping up. If a person is really going to throw money at the communist overthrow of CA, then I would suggest the NRA & CRPA as they both have lobbyists in CA. I'd hate to see entities playing on people's fears just to enrich themselves.
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Yeah, it is terrible that people got smart and left a sinking ship....me personally, I'm starting to see a whole bunch of "the sky is falling" organizations popping up. If a person is really going to throw money at the communist overthrow of CA, then I would suggest the NRA & CRPA as they both have lobbyists in CA. I'd hate to see entities playing on people's fears just to enrich themselves.
Unless you have proof of this, please stay out of California gun rights discussions. You made your decision to escape. Let those of us still here, fight the good fight.
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Just donated $100.00 via the link. Never asked for any info. Hope it makes it to the California fund.
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I'm beginning to question the real motivation of those who continue to pitch the "all is lost" and/or "there's honor in running away" approach to the battle before us.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
I'd like people with money to divest/move jobs away and wreck the California economy. That's my real motivation.
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Unless you have proof of this, please stay out of California gun rights discussions. You made your decision to escape. Let those of us still here, fight the good fight.


Proof of what? I get emails on a constant basis from groups supposedly representing CA gunowners asking for money. Most of them Ive never heard of. And don't tell what to stay out of. Ill comment how and on what I please until the mods tell me I cant. The "good fight," huh? Maybe you better look at the latest Sac Bee interview with your soon-to-be new Governor.
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