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Old 08-14-2016, 8:33 AM
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Default 2017 BUY your rifles from the Mexican Cartels

While petitioning at a major gun store yesterday, a guy that lives in Tijuana told me the word on the street in TJ is the cartels are building munitions factories to provide the black markets with guns and ammo. Thank you Gavin Newsom, moonbeam and the CA legislature. We can call the Cartel manufactured weapons and ammo the "manufactured 2017 by Newsom Brown".
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You do know the law does not go into effect till 2019, right?


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Old 08-14-2016, 9:15 AM
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You do know the law does not go into effect till 2019, right?


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You must have owned your AR prior to 2017, legal manufacturing and sales in CA will cease Jan 1 2017
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Ammo law goes into effect 2019. So maybe want to change your headline to "rifles".

And if one was going to break the law....by buying from the cartel....one could just as easily build their own from a stripped lower. Because supposedly, you will still be able to buy lowers after 2017. That way, you could cut out the "middle man" (cartel) and save yourself some $$$.

If one wants to be an outlaw, there are many ways to do it with out having to seek out the cartel to do it.


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"I heard at the gun store" is the last thing I hear before "blah blah blah blah blah".
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"I heard at the gun store" is the last thing I hear before "blah blah blah blah blah".
guy that lives in TJ went out of his way to point out to me that the cartels plan to make money off the prohibition.
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guy that lives in TJ went out of his way to point out to me that the cartels plan to make money off the prohibition.


How? Once something is illegal it is no longer accessible. The market vanishes.
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guy that lives in TJ went out of his way to point out to me that the cartels plan to make money off the prohibition.
Why would they need to build in MX in order to supply CA?

Re: news ammo rules. Bad actors in other states could just buy cases at a gun show/store/order online and drive the ammo into CA. But how much demand will there really be? The overwhelming number of legal gun owners will just suck it up and follow the rules. That's less effort, risk, and will be cheaper than dealing with black market sources.

Re: the new detachable mag rules. Anybody in CA that wants an illegally configured rifle can just build one, using a purchased or built stripped lower/flat/etc. no need to resort to the black market.

None of this passes the smell test.

Now I could see the cartel building guns/etc for local use in MX. That would be quite doable - really quite easy - and would minimize the need to import from the US.

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I believe there is a big demand for guns in Mexico - now, instead of the Mexican public having to buy illegal guns from the local policia, the cartels can cut out the policia middleman and get most of the $$$ themselves. This is why it is illegal in Mexico to have military caliber weapons - to help prevent Mexican soldiers and police from selling their weapons for quick beer money.
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You must have owned your AR prior to 2017, legal manufacturing and sales in CA will cease Jan 1 2017
You have been here way to long to be posting FUD like this. It will still be perfectly legal to buy, sell and manufacture AR type rifles in CA in 2017. Please stop, learn the upcoming laws and realize that you should not listen to some sales associate or gun shop owner who is trying to make a sale based on fear.
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guy that lives in TJ went out of his way to point out to me that the cartels plan to make money off the prohibition.
Interesting use of the word "prohibition." I seem to remember another case of prohibition in United States history that also created an underground market for contraband and promoted organized crime.
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Do the Mexi guns have select fire? If so I'm all for it. I mean, the lot of us will become criminals eventually anyway...
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Get real? People willing to break the law in order to supply Americans with a prohibited item?

That could never happen here.
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Why would they need to build in MX in order to supply CA?

Re: news ammo rules. Bad actors in other states could just buy cases at a gun show/store/order online and drive the ammo into CA. But how much demand will there really be? The overwhelming number of legal gun owners will just suck it up and follow the rules. That's less effort, risk, and will be cheaper than dealing with black market sources.

Re: the new detachable mag rules. Anybody in CA that wants an illegally configured rifle can just build one, using a purchased or built stripped lower/flat/etc. no need to resort to the black market.

None of this passes the smell test.

Now I could see the cartel building guns/etc for local use in MX. That would be quite doable - really quite easy - and would minimize the need to import from the US.

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Even if the Cartels did start manufacturing rifles, they would likely use the AK platform, not the AR-15/M-16 platform. I dont even think they would do
so, since the AK platform is the "go-to" rifle on the black market right now.

Where do you think all these Muslims in the ME get their AK's from now?

All over the planet, that's where. Cheap, easy to build and reliable, just like Russian inventor Mikhail Timofeyevich Kalashnikov developed them to be.

As for prohibitions, much of the booze that was guzzled from 1920-1933 came
from Canada and Mexico, in addition to all the homemade outlaw moonshine.
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Get real? People willing to break the law in order to supply Americans with a prohibited item?

That could never happen here.
Nope!

Only outlaws, err, I mean "criminals" would even think about breaking the laws in the US of A, even if the laws were blatantly and patently UNCONSTITUTIONAL. After all, we are a nation of politicians , err, I mean "laws", who obey all of the hundreds of thousands of laws all of the time. We only make "mistakes", like former CA senator Leland Yin Yee did!!
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Why would they set up another ammo plant when they already own Aguila?

The cartels don't need to build rifles, Holder gave them all they needed.
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Is this like a reverse Fast and Furious?
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Is this like a reverse Fast and Furious?
I think so. Let's call it Furious and Fast
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guy that lives in TJ went out of his way to point out to me that the cartels plan to make money off the prohibition.
Not sure if I should care. On the one hand, they're criminals. On the other, so are our leaders.
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I'll give up my firearms before I start buying from Mexican cartels.
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I think so. Let's call it Furious and Fast
I like Phat and Furriest better. Llamas need some recognition too.
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Sweet! I've always wanted an AR-15 in 38 super.
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Fast and Furious 2.0
Capitalism!!

Love it!!

Its ok, the FBI will investigate No Worries there....
You can lie, say your related to Hillary....
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I'll give up my firearms before I start buying from Mexican cartels.
Its ok, that's how they will "Pay" for the "Wall"!!

its a "WIN WIN" situation...
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Don't they know that's illegal, so there's no way something like that would be allowed/possible?
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With 95% of all murders in Mexico unsolved, I don't think they worry too much about illegallities there.
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If the cartels have the money to pay for tunnels, then they certainly have enough money for some CNC machines, Dillons, and 80%'s.
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Prohibition's are always profitable for Organized Criminals.
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Sweet! I've always wanted an AR-15 in 38 super.
This is the funniest comment I've read on this site in a while. Thanks for the chuckle
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