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Old 02-16-2017, 12:41 PM
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AB 693, as introduced, Irwin. Firearms.


Existing law generally requires that a firearms transaction be conducted through a licensed firearms dealer. Existing law provides various exceptions to this requirement, including for firearms sold or transferred to an authorized law enforcement representative for use by the law enforcement agency.

This bill would exempt the loan of a firearm from the requirement that the transaction be conducted through a dealer if the loan is made to a student enrolled in the course of basic training prescribed by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training, or any other course certified by the commission, for purposes of participation in the course.

Existing law, as amended by the Safety for All Act of 2016, approved by voters as Proposition 63 at the November 8, 2016, statewide general election, generally prohibits the possession of a large-capacity magazine regardless of the date the magazine was acquired. Existing law makes this prohibition inapplicable to the possession of a large-capacity magazine by a sworn peace officer or federal law enforcement officer who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of his or her duties. Proposition 63 allows its provisions to be amended by a vote of 55% of the Legislature so long as the amendments are consistent with and further the intent of the act.

This bill would make the prohibition on large-capacity magazines inapplicable to the sale, gift, or loan of a large-capacity magazine to a student enrolled in the course of basic training prescribed by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training, or any other course certified by the commission, nor to the possession of, or purchase by, the student, for purposes of participation in the course during his or her period of enrollment.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:48 PM
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This should go over well with the "LE lovers" on Calguns
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Another LEO carve out....
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Another LEO carve out....
as always.
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Enroll in a PC832 course at your local CC and just keep re-enrolling?
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Another LEO carve out....
By non LEOs who are not a member of any union. You lack critical thinking skills.
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By non LEOs who are not a member of any union. You lack critical thinking skills.
Okay....

Who stands to benefit from this? Who would want to facilitate the ability for potential LEO's to participate in coursework where access to, and possession of said magazines is required? Why would an LE agency want to facilitate that? How would they benefit? You think it might have something to do with wanting appropriately trained future employees?

Note that I didn't say a word about unions; Try using your own critical thinking skills.
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Enroll in a PC832 course at your local CC and just keep re-enrolling?
Unlikely that this course will meet their qualification. At this time, appears to only have an exemption for those going through a course at POST to become a peace officer.

Peace officers are one of the exemptions for "large capacity" magazines.
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Probably not, but it is a POST certified course require for reserve officers.


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Unlikely that this course will meet their qualification. At this time, appears to only have an exemption for those going through a course at POST to become a peace officer.

Peace officers are one of the exemptions for "large capacity" magazines.
An 832 course is POST certified. For reserve officers/deputies, it is the minimum level of training required to be a certified as a peace officer.

So it seems that an 832 course would certainly meet their standard.
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An 832 course is POST certified. For reserve officers/deputies, it is the minimum level of training required to be a certified as a peace officer.

So it seems that an 832 course would certainly meet their standard.
POST certified doesn't mean an exemption - the bill specifies "course of basic training prescribed by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training, or any other course certified by the commission". Your definition would mean that any course given by POST would be a qualifier.

PC832 is not enough to be a reserve officer - Level III is the basic level of reserve officer in California. PC832 is a component of the course work, and one component or requalification.

The current language only allows them to possess and use for the purposes of taking the class - possession without passing and assuming a position would most likely still be considered against the law.
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