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Old 03-22-2017, 5:32 PM
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If you haven't seen this yet, I'm sure you will be excited to see the determination from NRA-HQ to support the Second Amendment fight in California.

www.StandAndFightCalifornia.com

The next time somebody lies to you and says that the NRA has given-up on California or that we have not been active here, show them this and watch them squirm. Then, invite them to be part of the solution and get involved with the NRA in California.

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Good deal.

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i'm surprised. surprised it took them this long to figure out something soooo obvious, I had been emailing them for years for something like this. I gave up 4 years ago and let my membership lapse. now I may renew soon.
to consolidate all the info. is the right thing to do, people are dam busy these days and don't have time to go looking all over al gore's internet.
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i'm surprised. surprised it took them this long to figure out something soooo obvious, I had been emailing them for years for something like this. I gave up 4 years ago and let my membership lapse. now I may renew soon.
to consolidate all the info. is the right thing to do, people are dam busy these days and don't have time to go looking all over al gore's internet.
I'll be watching for you to sign-up at http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/volunteer/index.shtml so that you can get involved with your local Members' Council. We welcome your input, ideas, enthusiasm, and activism.

Let me know if there is anything I can do to help you be a more productive NRA activist.

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You have to join the club so you can fight for your rights?
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Paul,

Is the update sign-up for California specific updates or general NRA-ILA updates?

I already get the general NRA-ILA updates.

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You have to join the club so you can fight for your rights?
Or you can enter into a war alone with a club (i.e., something you hit with) or join an army of many to fight for a common cause.

Clubs? Hardly; more like forced to be reckoned with - even more so if there were more members. Anyone in CA defending and fighting for 2nd Amendment rights is a damned fool if they are not also a member of the NRA and/or CRPA.

Just a damned fool.
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If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?
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If you haven't seen this yet, I'm sure you will be excited to see the determination from NRA-HQ to support the Second Amendment fight in California.

www.StandAndFightCalifornia.com

The next time somebody lies to you and says that the NRA has given-up on California or that we have not been active here, show them this and watch them squirm. Then, invite them to be part of the solution and get involved with the NRA in California.

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Awesome Paul. Absolutely excellent.

Well done, and thanks for all of your hard work over the years.
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What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?
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Thanks for all your efforts Paul!
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Or you can enter into a war alone with a club (i.e., something you hit with) or join an army of many to fight for a common cause.

Clubs? Hardly; more like forced to be reckoned with - even more so if there were more members. Anyone in CA defending and fighting for 2nd Amendment rights is a damned fool if they are not also a member of the NRA and/or CRPA.

Just a damned fool.
This is one of the most well-thought-out statements that I've ever heard on this subject. Short. Accurate. Unemotional. And correct.

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Paul,

Is the update sign-up for California specific updates or general NRA-ILA updates?

I already get the general NRA-ILA updates.

TIA
Those are the same ILA alerts that you already receive.

BTW, don't miss the links to join your local Members' Council (shameless plug) and the CRPA.

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Every CA NRA member should attend their local member's council meeting. There's one in your county, but you have to go, it won't come calling to you.
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Since I am not a billionaire, is it better to donate to CRPA or NRA for defending CA rights?
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Awesome. Renewal was sent prior to this, but feeling rejuvenated a bit.

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last year's AW ban really hurt the industry, maybe that is why NRA finally realized the blue state matters too
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Cost benefit analysis. NRA should dump all lobbying and politicking in this s***hole state. There's nothing it will accomplish. Super majority of democrats means it's all wasted spending. When no republican has a snowball's chance of statewide office, contributing to one is stupid.

Only thing they should spend any money on is court cases. There's where some real damage could be done. Of course this state will go full confederate and nullify any such rulings. Kinda like sanctuary state, except the opposite. If federal law doesn't apply in kalifornistan then neither does federal court decisions.
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Litigation is important but I think more important for the long term is outreach to non gun owners.

What I think the NRA and the like have been doing a poor job at:
1. Events aimed at introducing people to shooting (and advertising these events appropriately).
2. Correcting /debunking common myths and propaganda about guns in a manner that is honest and doesn't look like a political ad. A lot of media from the NRA (such as Colion Noir, who I don't dislike) is really aimed at gun owners and doesn't help convince outsiders.

Long term you have to win the culture wars if you want to win politically.
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last year's AW ban really hurt the industry, maybe that is why NRA finally realized the blue state matters too
As you know, the NRA is an association of consumers, not an industry organization. You are being disingenuous to suggest otherwise and you know that too.

And your equally inaccurate statement regarding "finally realized" is another example of ignoring the fact that NRA has been and will continue to be the predominant pro-Second Amendment organization in California.

Sad!

If you really want to win in CA, why not get on the team and pitch-in a little effort that doesn't include attacking our last-best hope - the NRA.

I've invited you to join the team in the past. The invitation is still open.

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Can anyone tell me what any gun laws that were repeal in occupied Kaliforniastan in the last five years?
For so far I don't see any. . . Why did the NRA waited so long to do this???
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Great to hear. Remember to support the NRA and get out and vote. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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im still rooting for your guys from my bunker in Nevada
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As you know, the NRA is an association of consumers, not an industry organization. You are being disingenuous to suggest otherwise and you know that too.

And your equally inaccurate statement regarding "finally realized" is another example of ignoring the fact that NRA has been and will continue to be the predominant pro-Second Amendment organization in California.

Sad!

If you really want to win in CA, why not get on the team and pitch-in a little effort that doesn't include attacking our last-best hope - the NRA.

I've invited you to join the team in the past. The invitation is still open.

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Sorry, but this is hilarious. "Get on the team?" Where the HE!! was the NRA last year? WE are "the team" and the NRA was absent on the day(s) people stood up to be counted.

This whole thread is just another NRA plea for more money. Meanwhile they give us the same old same old.
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Sorry, but this is hilarious. "Get on the team?" Where the HE!! was the NRA last year? WE are "the team" and the NRA was absent on the day(s) people stood up to be counted.

This whole thread is just another NRA plea for more money. Meanwhile they give us the same old same old.
You really have no clue do you?
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Since it seem it is necessary to post this again for the 'where was the NRA' crowd:

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Some people have asked what the National Rifle Association (NRA) and the California Rifle & Pistol Association (CRPA) are doing to defeat Gavin Newsom and Proposition 63. The NRA, CRPA, and a host of other civil rights groups and police associations been working together to fight against Gavin Newsom’s Prop 63 for the past 11 months.

Unfortunately, California’s campaign finance laws severely limit the political campaigning and spending that can be done directly by or in the name of non-profit membership organizations like NRA and CRPA. So the NRA, CRPA, and other groups formed a separate “recipient committee,” also known as a political action committee (PAC), called the Coalition for Civil Liberties.

The Coalition for Civil Liberties PAC is a diverse group of civil rights and police organizations that have come together in a unified effort to fight against Proposition 63. Members come from across the political spectrum, and include sheriffs, other law enforcement personnel, prosecutors, gun owners, Olympic target shooters, LGBT groups, and others who believe in the right to choose to own a firearm for sport or self-defense. All of the major police associations have also lined up against Prop 63. You can read more at stoptheammograb.com.

Because the campaign finance laws limit direct spending by non-profit associations, he NRA, CRPA, and other coalition members have been helping the Coalition for Civil Liberties PAC raise money directly. That’s why NRA and CRPA members have been seeing member communications asking them to donate directly to the Coalition for Civil Liberties PAC. And every dollar raised by the Coalition for Civil Liberties is being spent in the fight against Prop 63.

In addition to the production of videos and ads, and an extraordinary push of messages through all social media outlets in the state, the Coalition has been mobilizing a ground force of people in committees of volunteers – to organize their local communities to distribute literature and conduct phone banks prior to the election. The Coalition is marshalling ordinary citizens to educate voters on what Proposition 63 is really about, because an informed electorate is an effective electorate. So the Coalition has been asking everyone to follow it on social media and share and forward those posts. You can volunteer at volunteer@crpa.org.

During the past legislative session, the Democratic leadership in Sacramento rammed through a set of new laws that essentially duplicate Prop 63. In other words, even if Prop 63 doesn’t pass, most of its provisions have already become law. You can learn about those laws through webinars that NRA and CRPA have produced, which are posted at www.CRPA.org/webinars. The NRA and CRPA are planning to file lawsuits challenging many of those new laws.

Beyond this election, the NRA and CRPA will continue our ongoing efforts to mobilize, educate and fight for the rights of California’s law-abiding gun owners, and to engage those gun owners in the fight.

So please get informed and involved. Join the Coalition for Civil Liberties. Join NRA. Join CRPA. CRPA’s slogan is “Be safe. Shoot straight. Fight back!” Working together, we can begin to regain our freedoms in California.
Thank you for standing with CRPA as we work together to defeat the efforts of those who seek to strip us of our inalienable right of gun ownership. To find out more about CRPA and our other endeavors, please click here: http://crpa.org/

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I'd like to expound a bit on some of the restrictions nonprofits face and what has been done within those restrictions.

California law MAXXES OUT 501c4 nonprofits spending at $50k per year for ALL campaigns. CRPA, NRA, GOC, and others maxed out that contribution early on by giving that amount to Coalition for Civil Liberties (CCL) to get it started.

If a nonprofit puts more into than that into campaigns (including any independent expenditure like ads), it risks being deemed a PAC itself, which means member and donor lists could be forced to be disclosed. That means all donors to these groups become public and can be used by anti-gun groups and others. Not a good outcome no matter how much the money would help.

BTW that’s $50k for ALL campaigns annually. So the groups that maxed out their $50k with contributions to the CCL to fight Prop 63 from the beginning couldn’t contribute any money to VETO GUNMAGGEDON (VG).

The only thing the nonprofits can do at this time is member communications, which are exempt from the $50k max, and things such as interviews with “legitimate” news sources that aren’t paid for. NRA and CRPA did a lot of those for CCL, and for VG too. I know for a fact that CRPA's President wishes they had done more, earlier for VG but I also know that a lot of the focus following the passing of those laws was split between determining what affect they would have and how to fight them in court and opposing Prop 63.

Corporations are different, unlike federal PACs, Corporations can write unlimited company checks to a state PAC like the Coalition for Civil Liberties. So where is the money from the gun companies? They were asked, repeatedly . . .

The NRA, CRPA, GOC and a host of other coalition member groups are fighting Prop 63, no one is sitting it out. In fact the Coalition for Civil Liberties is was set up specifically to fight Newsom's Folly and all these orgs working together is unprecedented.

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So, they formed a coalition of liberties PAC. Fine, where are the ads? I see them and hear them for all of the other propositions. And I'm not talking about people sharing a Facebook posting (which is annoying as hell). TV spots, radio ads, billboards.

I've yet to see one prop 63 ad, outside of Calguns, emails (preaching to th choir) or Facebook share from veto gunmageddon and the other "pro-gun" organizations that I've donated too.

The excuses keep coming. Unfortunately, see nothing except for excuses. I don't think I'm asking for much. Just a few frigging ads on TV, or even some billboards along the freeways. Get the word out already.
Let's look at some real costs.

TV:
Overall, the cost of producing a commercial can run from as little as $1,000 and upwards to hundreds of thousands of dollars. A more practical average could be from $3000 to $25,000.

Then you have air time. National would be a waste so you have to look at local markets which means paying a few dozen markets to air your commercial since there isn't a State wide market.

Costs vary from market to market and you have to take in to account when it will air and how often. Both of these add to the cost unless you want a commercial to air once at 3:30 AM.

Marketing industry estimates are rather broad given all the variables but based on the numbers I've seen it's likely to cost between $1,500-$2,500 to air a 30 second commercial in a smaller market and upwards of $5,000-$15,000 for larger markets like LA, SF, SD, OC and such.

Remember that's per airing.

What about radio?
Air time varies per commercial by market just like TV however the average range is around $100-$150 for a small market like Porterville to between $900-$1100 for larger markets like LA, SF, SD, OC,etc.

There are 153 separate radio markets in California.
One ad, played once, in each market would cost well over $100,000.
That playing it once.

We haven't even gotten in to producing the ad, which while nothing compared to a TV ad is still an expense.


Money has to be spent wisely and effectively, the current trend is towards social media.
According to Nielsen the reaches are comparable and the cost vastly different.
This chart is from 2013, since then social media has only become more prevalent.



With limited funds (by law) you choose the outlet that maximizes your dollar to cost ratio and that is what is happening.
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I'm sorry Kess, but your position is just not tenable.

The NRA is made up of individuals. Quite a few people here sent requests to them for volunteer time and other support. We got bupkis. Less than that even because when they DID deign to respond it was always with "sorry, we can't because...".

IIRC, it took them almost 2 months to even send out ONE SINGLE email blurt while we were working our butts off and screaming for anyone to help during the Gunmageddon drive. We gave our time, money, sweat, effort, tears, and energy most of us couldn't really afford to just give away. But we did all of that while the NRA stayed home.

You want to know the truth about the NRA, look at it's history of supporting gun control laws. Look at how it wouldn't support Peruta at first. Look at how it WILL NOT support Nichols. Or, I believe, Norman in Fla. It did not support Heller. Or, again I believe this is the case, McDonald.

The NRA may not be exactly in league with the anti's; but, at present, it is not our friend. Yet now they dress up their non-support with a fancy new web page to give us the same old stuff and ask for MORE money.

Sorry, I'm just a bit disillusioned with them. You can choose to support them, but I will not. Not any longer. If that earns me the ban hammer for being a voice of dissent, then so be it.
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I'm sorry Kess, but your position is just not tenable.

The NRA is made up of individuals. Quite a few people here sent requests to them for volunteer time and other support. We got bupkis. Less than that even because when they DID deign to respond it was always with "sorry, we can't because...".

IIRC, it took them almost 2 months to even send out ONE SINGLE email blurt while we were working our butts off and screaming for anyone to help during the Gunmageddon drive. We gave our time, money, sweat, effort, tears, and energy most of us couldn't really afford to just give away. But we did all of that while the NRA stayed home.

You want to know the truth about the NRA, look at it's history of supporting gun control laws. Look at how it wouldn't support Peruta at first. Look at how it WILL NOT support Nichols. Or, I believe, Norman in Fla. It did not support Heller. Or, again I believe this is the case, McDonald.

The NRA may not be exactly in league with the anti's; but, at present, it is not our friend. Yet now they dress up their non-support with a fancy new web page to give us the same old stuff and ask for MORE money.

Sorry, I'm just a bit disillusioned with them. You can choose to support them, but I will not. Not any longer. If that earns me the ban hammer for being a voice of dissent, then so be it.
You are free to be a voice of dissent, that's kind of the purpose here, as long as it's civil of course..

As for the Veto drive frankly I'm surprised they got involved at all. I stated at the time that I felt it was far too much risk for the very limited chances of doing anything good for us. The time was too short and leaving it in the hands of the voters was a guaranteed loss.
Prop 63 's passage by a wide margin prove the later was correct. Had the veto props gotten on the ballot and failed in the same manner the upcoming lawsuits would be much more difficult with the voters having 'said no' already.
However knowing that success in the signature drive would assuredly mean failure at the polls and a harder fight in court they still pushed the effort with their members.

Peruta, Heller and MacDonald were not supported in the beginning because the case law that would have come out of them would have been bad for our side. Once the NRA got involved and shifted the focus from P&I to Due Process both Heller and MacDonald became victories for our side.

Nichols burned his own bridges, the fact that no one supports him is on his own doorstep. Chances are it's going to cost a lot of time and money to undo whatever damage his case brings to our side.

I have seen and am seeing what the NRA and CRPA are doing here in Ca.
I speak frequently with CRPA President and NRA Counsel Chuck Michel about what litigation is coming and where we're at with current cases.
I see where both group are planning on going and working on at things like this weekend's CRPA Board meeting.

I guess it is easier to be supportive when you see what goes on behind the scenes.
All I can say is NO, neither the NRA nor the CRPA have given up on California and yes, there is every intent and even current effort to fight the bills that passed last year and Prop 63 as well.
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You are free to be a voice of dissent, that's kind of the purpose here, as long as it's civil of course..
Hear, hear! We are already marginalized by being falsely branded as "gun nuts" merely for posting here, regardless of the degree of our personal convictions. No need to make that worse through incivility amongst ourselves.
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I guess it is easier to be supportive when you see what goes on behind the scenes. All I can say is NO, neither the NRA nor the CRPA have given up on California (..)
I have been part of a silent minority for a long, long time. Only the recent extreme abuse and disenfranchisement of the last few months prompted me to be more involved. Some bordering on ex-post-facto constitutional law violations. However, throughout these events it has appeared to laymen such as myself that the NRA has had its priorities elsewhere.

I worry about the fallacy of "argument to moderation". But that is exactly what has been happening; it has been one party of extremes versus another on both sides. And as a result of that failure to engage at early stages, everyday citizens have to resort to challenging these absurd issues through drawn-out, expensive legal cases hinging on biased political appointments and partisan bickering. It will be exceedingly difficult to obtain the ear of those in power who view the NRA and its prospective members, whom you all are trying to rally, as an anathema to rational discourse. They will merely walk away feeling vindicated in their misplaced beliefs -- even though those beliefs are demonstrably false.

If it were possible to know what you know, perhaps it would be easier to endure these harsh times. But when I am no longer able to go to a local range for an afternoon with friends without fearing reprisal, the battle has long been lost. The NRA needs to understand that.

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You are free to be a voice of dissent, that's kind of the purpose here, as long as it's civil of course..

As for the Veto drive frankly I'm surprised they got involved at all. I stated at the time that I felt it was far too much risk for the very limited chances of doing anything good for us. The time was too short and leaving it in the hands of the voters was a guaranteed loss.

Prop 63 's passage by a wide margin prove the later was correct. Had the veto props gotten on the ballot and failed in the same manner the upcoming lawsuits would be much more difficult with the voters having 'said no' already.
However knowing that success in the signature drive would assuredly mean failure at the polls and a harder fight in court they still pushed the effort with their members.

Peruta, Heller and MacDonald were not supported in the beginning because the case law that would have come out of them would have been bad for our side. Once the NRA got involved and shifted the focus from P&I to Due Process both Heller and MacDonald became victories for our side.

Nichols burned his own bridges, the fact that no one supports him is on his own doorstep. Chances are it's going to cost a lot of time and money to undo whatever damage his case brings to our side.

I have seen and am seeing what the NRA and CRPA are doing here in Ca.
I speak frequently with CRPA President and NRA Counsel Chuck Michel about what litigation is coming and where we're at with current cases.
I see where both group are planning on going and working on at things like this weekend's CRPA Board meeting.

I guess it is easier to be supportive when you see what goes on behind the scenes.
All I can say is NO, neither the NRA nor the CRPA have given up on California and yes, there is every intent and even current effort to fight the bills that passed last year and Prop 63 as well.
I'm an NRA Life Member. And were I outside CA my question would be "why is NRA wasting money on gunowners who won't help themselves?" - Prop 63 received nearly 65% of the vote. CA gunowners routinely support Democrats who restrict gun rights. CA gunowners are oh so creative with reasons they won't support NRA - recall the "they pray at NRA meetings" for such foolishness. Or that NRA wouldn't support over turning "Citizens United". I'd expect NRA would have an answer and if so I accept that just maybe they know a bit more about dealing with such issues than me. Even if I didn't care for the answer.

Quite frankly, after so many years of listening to non-NRA members complain they strike me as no different than welfare recipients complaining about late arrival of the monthly check. They don't contribute, they ought not complain. Just enjoy the free ride for as long as they can.

I realize there are plenty of folks not in NRA but in GOA, CRPA, etc. So I of course would moderate the above with respect to those who contribute through those organizations.
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How many of these people are saying "what is the NRA doing" vs. "what wins are the NRA getting"?

WE can point to plenty the NRA is doing, allegedly doing, etc.

Wins? Well, the voters are against them. The judges are against them. The legislature is against them. The executive (governor) is only mildly against them.

Aside from cultivating candidates, there's no path to victory for NRA, and yet people complain NRA should do more.

No, NRA should do a few of the things they can do EFFECTIVELY and MIGHT help, and then cut their losses and use our $$ on a federal level.

I don't care if we run spend $50 million to run ads that californians reject.

It was put to a vote on prop 63.

Leave FPC to do the local/california resistance stuff. NRA should cultivate candidates and peace out of California politics entirely, using our $$ to buy influence for things that matter, like restocking the 9th circuit, SCOTUS, and national bills.

Lots of poster's opinions:

"NRA needs to waste our money on things that can't possibly succeed in California because reasons, and I'm mad that California is fundamentally broken so we should waste our money in a tantrum!!"
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How many of these people are saying "what is the NRA doing" vs. "what wins are the NRA getting"?

WE can point to plenty the NRA is doing, allegedly doing, etc.

Wins? Well, the voters are against them. The judges are against them. The legislature is against them. The executive (governor) is only mildly against them.

Aside from cultivating candidates, there's no path to victory for NRA, and yet people complain NRA should do more.

No, NRA should do a few of the things they can do EFFECTIVELY and MIGHT help, and then cut their losses and use our $$ on a federal level.

I don't care if we run spend $50 million to run ads that californians reject.

It was put to a vote on prop 63.

Leave FPC to do the local/california resistance stuff. NRA should cultivate candidates and peace out of California politics entirely, using our $$ to buy influence for things that matter, like restocking the 9th circuit, SCOTUS, and national bills.

Lots of poster's opinions:

"NRA needs to waste our money on things that can't possibly
succeed in California because reasons, and I'm mad that California is
fundamentally broken so we should waste our money in a tantrum!!"
Yep.

The Objective is to Win the War, not waste resources on Battles in
California that have a very low chance of being successful.

Lets take Gunmageddon and Gavin's pile of Horse Sh*t, Prop 63, disguised
as Safety for All.

Lets exam what would have probably happened if the NRA decided to
put California First, instead of getting Trump & numerous Pro Gun
Politicians elected like they just did.


NRA-ILA spends Million Dollars Just in California, trying to defeat both
Gun Control Measures, and is successful in turning back Gunmageddon,
but loses when the California Anti Gun Democrat Voters overwhelmingly
Vote in Gavin's Prop 63 Atrocity.

NRA-ILA funds now being seriously depleted, the NRA is unable to help swing
key states for Trump, and Trump loses to Hillary, the most Corrupt,
Anti 2nd Amendment President ever elected, and fails to elect all the
Pro Gun Politicians it did in reality.

President Hillary replaces Scalia with another Anti Gun Ginsburg Clone,
swinging SCOTUS to being Hostile to 2nd Amendment, and if we lose
a Pro Gun Justice like Thomas, the 2nd Amendment would be in serious
danger of being nullified out of existence.

The Problem with California IS NOT THE NRA, its because of decades of
Anti Gun Propaganda being spewed out 24/7 by complicit Mass Media,
including News organizations, Entertainment Industry, Education System,
Anti Gun Politicians and Celebrities.


The result is California now has a Majority of Democrat, Brain Washed
Voters who blindly support any form of Gun Control presented to them.


I'm Glad the NRA decided to look at the Big Picture, and did what they
did at a Federal Level, which into the future, gives places like California
and New York a much better chance of reclaiming their 2nd Amendment
Rights.


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