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Old 09-11-2015, 10:04 PM
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Exclamation California: SetterArms is Under Attack by Gun Ban Groups in Daly City

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On Monday, September 14, 2015, the City Council of Daly City will consider Use Permit UPR-5-15-10913, which if passed, would establish the city’s only firearm repair shop. The application was made by Todd Settergren of SetterArms, who until recently ran his business out of a South San Francisco location.

On July 7th, the Planning Commission voted 5-0 to recommend that the City Council approve Mr. Settergren’s application. Having heard from the Daly City Police Department that Mr. Settergren went “beyond what was expected” in providing necessary security, the Planning Commission found that SetterArms would not have a detrimental impact on the public welfare. To the contrary, the Commission determined that approval would be “in the best interest of the public health, safety, and general welfare of the community.”
https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015...s-in-daly-city
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What do you expect from an area where liberalism drops the average IQ by 20 points.
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I'm just posting the notice so you can be informed.

Maybe someone in that area would be interested.
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I'll be there tomorrow. I've had a couple jobs done at his old location and was more than happy with how everything turned out. Anyone on the peninsula knows how hard up we are for a gunsmith since Tabors closed up shop several years ago, unless you want to drive down the bay anytime you need something done I think its worthwhile to try and get us some options up here.
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The city clerk is very responsive and is accepting emails in support of Todd
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Any word if he got approved?
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Just saw this now and sent an email to the Daly City City Council.
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Brady campaign cheerleader was present. The usual illogical arguments were presented.
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But what did the City do?
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Voted against it, 3-2. Mayor is a member of Bloomberg's MAIG so I think he was never in contention for approval. Canepa was hamming it up for votes with hands over his mouth looks of shock whenever a Brady person would talk. I think the only swing vote was the vice mayor and he was absent for half the thing.

I have a good amount of respect for council woman Christensen who voiced several times that she was personally against guns and would never own one but "loved the constitution" more so and voted to approve the permit. The antis did not like that and booed her but she stood her ground and said he had every right to open his business.

There were several mentions of litigation with a member straight up saying that they are opening themselves up to a lawsuit if they deny him. Considering the NRA litigation branch is aware of this I hope they take the case. I feel bad for the guy, he has a family and has already sunk a lot of money into the place and has effectively been jobless for a month with the council's delay. Not an easy road ahead I'm sure.


On a side note, watching the Brady rep walking around and constantly tapping the arms of people holding protest signs that had lowered them over time like a schoolmarm and also ushering a mentally retarded man up to the podium to say "guns are bad" has just reinforced the negative feelings I already had towards them. If I had known the tactics they were going to employ I would have changed my speech accordingly. As it was my two minutes about how happy I was with his services and how there are no actual gunsmiths in the upper peninsula area was essentially pissing in the wind next to all their emotion based speeches. Not to say there weren't a few pro speeches that were well done, several spoke very passionately about how this was a witch hunt and not fair but we were definitely outnumbered.

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Voted against it, 3-2. Mayor is a member of Bloomberg's MAIG so I think he was never in contention for approval. Canepa was hamming it up for votes with hands over his mouth looks of shock whenever a Brady person would talk. I think the only swing vote was the vice mayor and he was absent for half the thing.

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The video is now available on the City Council website here - http://www.dalycity.org/City_Hall/Me...ty_Council.htm
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I saw a camera and I'm pretty sure it's broadcast on DC's community channel. Reporter from the SF examiner was there also but just taking pics and notes. Nothing about it in today's paper.
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Totally sucks. Like criminals are really going to go to him for repairs.
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I was there the whole time... Just people going on about how guns kills people... I was standing next to the cheer leader half the time. The other half she was running around like a crazy person ... First time seeing these anti gunners. It looked like she and others were on extra doses of anti depresents or something . With a crazy smile on her face and others too... I just kept thinking "I knew these people are f in crazy ...they talk with zero knowledge .. But I knew they were stupid as hell...last thing I'll say is the no votes had nothing to do with safety of the community. It's getting future votes and not wanting to look bad by uninformed idiots ... I feel bad for the owner
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A couple of that antis hit the nail on the head when they pointed at the mayor and council members and said "you're up for re-election". It's unfortunate we couldn't get a large number of pro daly city residents on hand (I'm from San Bruno) to say the exact same thing but that's been a big weakness on our part to begin with. They've definitely got us beat on the organizing part. I know there's thousands of gun owners in DC proper, just a fraction of them knowing about the meeting and showing up last night would have changed the entire tone of it.

We have several organizations that focus on state bills already, maybe it's time for one to start up that focuses on getting us out in force to these types of meetings.
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"Not in our community" was the battle cry of the night.
although Daly City had no trouble with Dick's sporting goods

Is there a dedicated thread to these types of city council meetings?
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It would be nice if we could out number the antis at these meetings ....I'm from San Bruno as well... I hope setter arms try's to find a new location...
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Just a thought, but next time Brady comes to town instead of trying to win over the council with ideals of fairness hit them where it really matters: the pocketbook. Bring up how Brady campaign left the aurora family high and dry when the judge found their luckygunner lawsuit frivolous with the plaintiffs liable for court costs and now facing bankruptcy, run the tally for the numerous lawsuits that the CGF and the NRA have won and the millions it has cost the cities.

It may not sway the crowd but it'll definitely be a nice wet blanket for the politician thinking the meetings are just chances to grandstand for votes.
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I found out about the meeting yesterday, but I didn't realize that he was denied. I am baffled as to the logic of no small businesses, but big 5 and dicks is ok. Writing a letter now probably won't mean much, but I'll do it anyway.
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"Not in our community" was the battle cry of the night.
although Daly City had no trouble with Dick's sporting goods

Is there a dedicated thread to these types of city council meetings?
You *should* be checking the website for your particular city. Look for the agendas for City Council, Planning Commisssion, Zoning Commission meetings.

I check Sunnyvale every week.
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Lets hope he finds a nice place to rent right on the edge of the city limits
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Here's the SF Examiner article on the subject.

/http://www.sfexaminer.com/proposed-g...-by-daly-city/
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Thats the guy that was making exaggerated shocked faces whenever a Brady stoolie would speak and also the one that called for the delay to get the Brady campaign involved to begin with. Of course he'd be involved with everyone's favorite gununner.
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He has a twitter surprised he didn't tweet his "victory"

Check out David Canepa (@DavidCanepa): https://twitter.com/DavidCanepa?s=09
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He's also currently running for County Supervisor. I guess he's trying to rack up bonus points for the election.
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So ppl need to get out and vote. Get to those voting booths I suppose. Make sure this guy doesn't get elected.
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Better yet, volunteer to knock on doors for his opponent. Explain to both why you're volunteering.

a vote in the booth is worth exactly ONE vote. A volunteer is worth as many people as he can convince. And most folks just like to be asked for their vote.

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http://www.ktvu.com/news/21060326-story
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im dumbfounded, is there any recourse?
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As I said above, the city clerk seemed to be very friendly and was gladly accepting emails on Todd's behalf. How many of you took the time to call and write? How many of you showed up?
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I emailed and was there for the meeting ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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The most difficult task in any Democracy (including our Democratic Republic) is protecting, not the rights of the majority, but the same rights for minorities. In this case, the SF Bay Area, the minority I am referring to is the pro-gun-rights gun owner and small business.

As a minority, while you can (and should) put up a fight, you will only be able to prevail in the courts which is traditionally where the majority's bulldozing of the rights of minorities is squelched.

But this is the California judiciary which has proven itself largely anti-gun rights. If only California courts advocated as zealously for the rights of our minority as they do for the rights of minorities of sexual preference, religion, and race. But they don't.

In California, the Second Amendment is no longer considered a right by the courts, but a privilege and one they are content with letting government restrict the exercise of further and further until it ceases altogether.

The NRA, CRPA, etc. should sue on his behalf, but most of the lower courts will likely side with the city. So it will be a long and expensive battle and by then he'll have found another place for his business and any victory will be moot.
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Maybe too late but how can I send letter?

PM email or send me a link. Thank you
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Too late. Vote complete. Rejected. Only three options now:
1) let it go,
2) push for reform by voting them out,
3) the Best: help (funding, calls, letters, etc.) enact a state law like Washington State has which prohibits and make null and void any local law which conflicts with state gun laws. that would stop this kind of nonsense (and others similar to it) once and for all time.
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Mayor Raymond A. Buenaventura, Vice Mayor Gonzalo “Sal” Torres, and Council Member David J. Canepa all voted to deny Mr. Settergren’s application. The California Rifle and Pistol Association posted an alert regarding the City Council’s vote which can be viewed here- http://www.crpa.org/update-setterarms/.

You can contact members of the Daly City Council using the following information:

Daly City Council
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Phone: (650) 991-8000
Email: citycouncil@dalycity.org

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I emailed and was there for the meeting ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thank you! I could only call and email because of another event that evening.
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Thank you! I could only call and email because of another event that evening.
I appreciate your effort and thank you for it. But it likely didn't make a difference.

I believe these decisions are made well before before the city council meetings and I have connections in local governments and experience firsthand dealing with them that bears this out. The meeting is to make public the decision and a charade of mock deliberations and witnesses, not the real deliberations and decision, and to pretend all voices are heard and all angles and sides considered fairly and equally to reach a decision. The public meetings are for show and only occur because of the Brown Act. (The Brown Act).

The time to lobby, call, and write is well before the meeting. If you checked (if you could) the city manager's, mayor's, and council member's calendars, you would I am certain find LCAV meetings prior to the vote. That is the way local governments work: private access to special interests sways the voting.

It is no coincidence that this is how all politics works and that is why lobbying is a big business in Sacramento and D.C. That is how stuff gets down like it or not because it's politics and politics is human nature. that is why we have the NRA as our lobbying arm: like it or not, lobbyists get it done.

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I emailed within an hour of hearing this meeting was going on. And I went to the circus ... I'm not involved in politics or city politics in any way but when it comes to fighting for our gun rights I'll be there .. But like someone said they knew the outcome before it started And the stupid people next to the mayor are up there acting as if anything being said means something....it's frustrating fighting against these people
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