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Old 01-23-2013, 11:14 PM
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If you read the bill (not the BS interpretations posted above), you will see that this is AB 962 rewritten to strike out the word "handgun" and apply to all ammunition.

On August 19, 2010, the NRA-CRPA Foundation Legal Action Project filed a lawsuit challenging AB 962. The lawsuit alleged that the mandates in AB 962 were incomprehensible, and that the definition of "handgun ammunition" was unconstitutionally vague.

So, it's impossible to define "handgun ammunition," but it's much easier to define "ammunition" and impose those same broad restrictions. Schwarzenegger, a Republican Governor signed that BS bill into law.

So, go ahead and sit there not saying a word, worrying about your loose lips. It passed the first time. That is not going to defeat this bill.

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Everyone should lock thread and hold their keyfingers from typing on this.
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Well my 200,000+ rounds should make me an ammo Barron so how do they expect to stop the reloaders out there.....ban the purchase of lead, gunpowder etc unless you have a permit OMG well guys and girls you got the government you all voted for....soon the bad guys will still be armed and we the "good guys" will be unarmed and vulnerable like the brits and the aussies...now you are really gonna have to wake up America !!! Stand by for the executive order to hand in your weapons by a certain date or face the felony charge...that's how the brits were disarmed.......almost overnight.
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Will there be a limit on plasma watts?
Will we have to sign for power from the power company, you know, face to face?
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I thought I recalled him saying something about qty limits in that video on Fox-LA. Does de Leon's birdcage liner include language with respect to purchase quantity limits or restrictions on online purchases or am I conflating it with the lunacy coming out of SF?
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When is this Bill set to go up for a vote?
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When is this Bill set to go up for a vote?
The bill status link is in the first post: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...=201320140SB53

"01/10/13 Referred to Com. on PUB. S."

Senate Public Safety has no hearings scheduled - http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...+Public+Safety
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OK, so our elected officials are again sticking it to us. I hope everyone is writing them and telling them how you feel. AB 48 is another one that needs to be stopped.
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If you read the bill (not the BS interpretations posted above), you will see that this is AB 962 rewritten to strike out the word "handgun" and apply to all ammunition.
Which is fortunate for us, as I've heard the same commerce clause issues that would have doomed AB962 had it not been struck as vague are still present in this bill.
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So when the permits are "delayed" for a year or more because they don't have the man power to process the million or more applications can we sue the state (as a class action lawsuit) for infringing on our right to "bear" arms?
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This State is full of billsh*t!
IMO... CG needs a new rule. "All posts that can harm our cause will be deleted!" Don't let the the anti's have any ammo either!
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This State is full of billsh*t!
IMO... CG needs a new rule. "All posts that can harm our cause will be deleted!" Don't let the the anti's have any ammo either!
Does it really matter anymore? Just read these bills. From here I'd rather them to start banning everything.
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Looks like more Arizona and Nevada runs for ammo.
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i already have a permit. Its called my birth certificate
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Last time SB-249 came up language from this forum made it into the bill. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
If I offer up the many expletives I have floating around my mind in relation to these tyrants and their attempts to shred what is left of the Constitution, do you think that THOSE will end up in the bill?

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hahahaah Yee disabled comments on his Facebook page or at least mine. i have made several comments today none offensive as i have seen from others but if he disabled comments it means that he doesn't want to hear from people who disagree with him.

hahahahahaha Sen. Yee is a joke and cannot take what we tell him.
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If I offer up the many expletives I have floating around my mind in relation to these tyrants and their attempts to shred what is left of the Constitution, do you think that THOSE will end up in the bill?

If so, can Librarian promise not to redact my next post?
Forum software will get most of it before I can .

At this point, with all the things vomiting forth, I seriously doubt anything we could write would make things worse.

But I will reiterate that questions about bill contents really have no value until something is signed and sent to the Governor. There is no possible amendment to this bill that would make it reasonable to support, other than a gut and amend that changes the contents into something entirely different.
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I was going to say something but it would just provide assistance in writing this bill... Hmm... MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL STAY QUIET.......
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Looks like more Arizona and Nevada runs for ammo.
I was at Bass Pro Shops in Vegas this last weekend.

Limits of 10 boxes ammo, 2000 primers and 2 lbs. powder.

All fine and dandy, assuming they had any.

Only stuff they had was 12/20 gauge birdshot.

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I was at Bass Pro Shops in Vegas this last weekend.
Limits of 10 boxes ammo, 2000 primers and 2 lbs. powder.
All fine and dandy, assuming they had any.
Only stuff they had was 12/20 gauge birdshot.
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I wonder how fast a blank can push a .22 cal pellet out of my semiauto rifle...
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How much do you guys want to bet that Deleon & Yee, or their staff, have an account trolling this site right now?
In that case, I am going to start calling DeLeon "Kevin The Tool" and Yee will be simply "Whoremonger".

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i wonder what the fees will be.

Most assuredly not very much . . . just another small slice of liberty.
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What can they think up next?

What can't they focus on the economy, budget, jobs, immigration, etc................................
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What can't they focus on the economy, budget, jobs, immigration, etc................................
These things will be their undoing. Socialism doesn't work. It ultimately destroys itself. Once they can no longer afford to feed the mouths of the willfully unproductive in this state. Once the checks stop coming or become worthless due to some combination of inflation, default and cuts, their grip on power will cease. These evil men in Sacramento and Washington DC will pay. God will see to it. The clock it ticking. We are on the right side of history. Ultimately.
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Ok, I've skimmed through some of the posts here. Is this "authorization" a annual thing or a per perchance thing? I read the bill and it is still unclear to me.

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SB 53 Ammunition: Purchase Requirements
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...=201320140SB53
Amended IN Senate May 28, 2013

This is a gun registry.
To buy ammo;
You must give the firearms owners name and particulars (para A).
You must give from whom you acquired the firearm (para B)
You must give the firearms Mfg, model, serial number, caliber, type, new or used, barrel length and color (para C).

So if you have old gun and want to buy ammo for THAT gun you have to give all the information surrounding that old gun.

That old gun is now registered.

Or am I reading this wrong?

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(A) The name, address, identification of, place of birth (state or country), complete telephone number, occupation, sex, description, and all legal names and aliases ever used by the owner or person being loaned the particular firearm as listed on the information provided to the department on the Dealers’ Record of Sale, the Law Enforcement Firearms Transfer (LEFT), as defined in former Section 12084, or reports made to the department pursuant to any provision listed in subdivision (a) of Section 16585 or any other law.
(B) The name and address of, and other information about, any person (whether a dealer or a private party) from whom the owner acquired or the person being loaned the particular firearm and when the firearm was acquired or loaned as listed on the information provided to the department on the Dealers’ Record of Sale, the LEFT, or reports made to the department pursuant to any provision listed in subdivision (a) of Section 16585 or any other law.
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(D) The manufacturer’s name if stamped on the firearm, model name or number if stamped on the firearm, and, if applicable, the serial number, other number (if more than one serial number is stamped on the firearm), caliber, type of firearm, if the firearm is new or used, barrel length, and color of the firearm, or, if the firearm is not a handgun and does not have a serial number or any identification number or mark assigned to it, that shall be noted.
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Internet ammo sales must be shipped to and go through go an ammunition vendor just like firearms currently must.
So Cabela's, Midway, Bass Pro shops etc will ship your online purchase to your ammunition vendor and you will pick up your ammo from the ammunition vendor AFTER you pay the fee and clear the background check.

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(2) Commencing July 1, 2014, 2015, the sale of ammunition may only be conducted by an ammunition vendor licensed pursuant to Section 30385.


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SB 53 Ammunition: Purchase Requirements
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...=201320140SB53
Amended IN Senate May 28, 2013

This is a gun registry.
To buy ammo;
You must give the firearms owners name and particulars (para A).
You must give from whom you acquired the firearm (para B)
You must give the firearms Mfg, model, serial number, caliber, type, new or used, barrel length and color (para C).

So if you have old gun and want to buy ammo for THAT gun you have to give all the information surrounding that old gun.

That old gun is now registered.

Or am I reading this wrong?

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So we won't be able to buy ammo for guns we have not bought yet? Like if I see a good deal on .357mag and I am in the market for a 357 mag wheel gun I cannot buy that ammo? What?
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For keeping discretion, thank the lord i have a safe haven to get ammo... ugh... just sucks it's going to be like this if this does go into affect and into law... it's time to donate to calguns foundation and other pro gun advocates to fight...
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For keeping discretion, thank the lord i have a safe haven to get ammo... ugh... just sucks it's going to be like this if this does go into affect and into law... it's time to donate to calguns foundation and other pro gun advocates to fight...
you are lying to yourself, there will be no safe haven....

i guarantee it, dont think your mothers brothers, uncles, long lost cousins, ex lover is going to get you ish and you will be fine.

the wolves are simply getting the sheep into an attack pattern.
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SB53 also establishes a Centralized List of Ammunition purchasers, a Permit.

Starting in 2017 in order for you to buy ammunition you must give your

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(a) (1) Commencing on January 1, 2017, any person who is a resident of this state and who is 18 years of age or older may apply to the department for an ammunition purchaseauthorization.
(2) The ammunition purchase permit authorization shall entitle the authorized person to purchase ammunition from an ammunition vendor as that term is defined in Section 16663 and shall have no other force or effect.
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I haven't seen where the Ammuntion Purchase Authorization is to cost the applicant a set dollar amount, only an initial application fee. It states subdivision (i) but it doesn't have $.
I must be missing something.

SB53 also issues Ammunition Vendors License's to FFL's.

$50 per year renewed annually.
Commencing 1 July 2015

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30390.

(a) The department may charge ammunition vendor license applicants a fee sufficient to reimburse the department for the reasonable costs of administering the license program, maintaining the registry of ammunition vendors, and necessary enforcement, provided however, that the fee shall not exceed fifty dollars ($50).
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SB 53 Ammunition: Purchase Requirements
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...=201320140SB53
Amended IN Senate May 28, 2013

This is a gun registry.
To buy ammo;
You must give the firearms owners name and particulars (para A).
You must give from whom you acquired the firearm (para B)
You must give the firearms Mfg, model, serial number, caliber, type, new or used, barrel length and color (para C).

So if you have old gun and want to buy ammo for THAT gun you have to give all the information surrounding that old gun.

That old gun is now registered.

Or am I reading this wrong?

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You are not reading it wrong. It seems to require that you register every gun for which you intend to purchase ammunition (or at least one gun representing every caliber you intend to purchase) or you will be denied purchase.

I'd really like to see the public safety justification for that—it is clearly a "back-door" firearms registry and it is not by accident but by design. This is a dishonest attempt to sneak it in without registration scrutiny or debate.

If the National NRA cares at all about firearms rights in this nation, they'd better step into this fight with all they have or we'll see these kinds of dishonest laws popping up in state legislatures like mushrooms after a rain.
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Anyone know what this says?

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(c) (1) Any officer referred to in paragraphs (1) to (6), inclusive, of subdivision (b) of Section 11105 may disseminate the name of the subject of the record, the number of the firearms listed in the record, and the description of any firearm, including the make, model, and caliber, from the record relating to any firearm’s sale, transfer, registration, or license record, or any information reported to the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26225, Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2 of Division 6 of Title 4 of Part 6, Article 1 (commencing with Section 27500) of Chapter 4 of Division 6 of Title 4 of Part 6, Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050) of Division 6 of Title 4 of Part 6, Article 2 (commencing with Section 28150) of Chapter 6 of Division 6 of Title 4 of Part 6, Article 5 (commencing with Section 30900) of Chapter 2 of Division 10 of Title 4 of Part 6, Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 33850) of Division 11 of Title 4 of Part 6, or any provision listed in subdivision (a) of Section 16585, if the following conditions are met:
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Anyone know what this says?

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Don't quote me on it but I believe it is some kind of back door to enable release of information to the media. That is, any officer, may legally disseminate all your DOJ records if requested by some news outlet (think NY and what the news media did there).

They are really pulling out all the stops, aren't they?

Or it could just be the legal language to release the information to the FFL needed to verify the purchase.
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