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Old 12-21-2012, 4:07 PM
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Can't these morons leave it till after Christmas??
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Can't these morons leave it till after Christmas??
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Our opponents are practicing the death by a 1000 cuts.

Of course since this bill will affect all gun owners, we can use their proposals to get more people on our side to get of their ***es and get involved.

Collectively we got the government we deserve because our fellow gun owners wouldn't pull their weight to protect gun rights.

The reality is only a small percentage of gun owners do anything, if the percentage of gun owners who got involved jumped from 1 percent to 10 percent, we wouldn't be having these problems.

In all honesty, in an ideal world, we would have 100 percent participation.

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Permits won't be issued that's the point. And they know it.
Says here it's a shall issue permit. (That's not an endorsement, BTW.)

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?
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Article 4. Ammunition Purchase Permits
30370.

(b) The department shall issue an ammunition purchase permit to the applicant if all of the following conditions are met:

(1) The applicant is 18 years of age or older.

(2) The applicant is not prohibited from acquiring or possessing ammunition by the laws of this state.

(3) The applicant pays the fees set forth in subdivision (i).

(c) (1) Upon receipt of an initial or renewal application, the department shall examine its records and is authorized to request records from the State Department of Mental Health, pursuant to Section 8104 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, and if authorized, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, as described in of Section 922(t) of Title 18 of the United States Code, in order to determine if the applicant is prohibited from possessing or acquiring ammunition.

(2) The applicant shall be approved or denied within 30 days of the date of the application. If the application is denied, the department shall state the reasons for doing so and provide the applicant an appeal process to challenge that denial.
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God there is something I want to say about the stupidity of this bill, but I don't want to give away the farm.
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These folks keep saying they support hunters... The Central Valley has world class duck hunting and my friends and relatives from out of state come to California to hunt. Now we can't share ammo in a blind and they have to have a Nevada CCW or apply for a California ammo permit just to hunt with me??!!? I REALLY don't want to end up having to go to Nevada to hunt with them because they can't buy ammo here, duck hunting in Nevada kinda sucks...
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Oh no. They got us now. This bill is airtight. No point trying to fight it, they may as well just pass it now.
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This is some BS..
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I fail to see how this bill would protect the children at sandy hook. I must be missing it. No way two respectable gentleman like Yee and Steninberg are just pushing their own agenda.
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Lock this thread before people give away the farm.



Remember, you do not talk about fight club!!!
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Remember, you do not talk about fight club!!!
What? There is no fight club.
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no no no, we don't need to sign for ammo
ion 1986 they said let us tale away your MGs and you don't have to id and sign for ammo

see they give and take away thing we all forgot
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OPSEC Violation!
OPSEC? I slept through those 413 PowerPoint slides every quarter.

By the way, Abstergo Industries has figured out how to make military grade hollow point cop killer ammo by melting down the green compost bins in SF. I hope the trolls don't figure out that it only works with the green bins.
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OPSEC? I slept through those 413 PowerPoint slides every quarter.

By the way, Abstergo Industries has figured out how to make military grade hollow point cop killer ammo by melting down the green compost bins in SF. I hope the trolls don't figure out that it only works with the green bins.
This post needs to get deleted. Another thing that will probably be in their stupid list of things to screw us with..
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Can't these morons commies leave it till after Christmas??
Fixed it for you and the answer is no. Whatever the party wants.
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When they started finger printing up here in Sacramento, shops in Placer county started getting more of my business. Ammo licenses will hurt California businesses and create more unemployment.
i, sincerely, doubt the legislature cares...
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I want to add something, but I feel holding back and keeping off record may be best now
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Says here it's a shall issue permit. (That's not an endorsement, BTW.)

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?
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Article 4. Ammunition Purchase Permits
30370.

(b) The department shall issue an ammunition purchase permit to the applicant if all of the following conditions are met:

(1) The applicant is 18 years of age or older.

(2) The applicant is not prohibited from acquiring or possessing ammunition by the laws of this state.

(3) The applicant pays the fees set forth in subdivision (i).

(c) (1) Upon receipt of an initial or renewal application, the department shall examine its records and is authorized to request records from the State Department of Mental Health, pursuant to Section 8104 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, and if authorized, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, as described in of Section 922(t) of Title 18 of the United States Code, in order to determine if the applicant is prohibited from possessing or acquiring ammunition.

(2) The applicant shall be approved or denied within 30 days of the date of the application. If the application is denied, the department shall state the reasons for doing so and provide the applicant an appeal process to challenge that denial.
i wonder what the fees will be.
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This is a great way to generate a prosperous black market.
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Isn't ammunition protected by the same 2nd ammendment rights as firearms? Thought there was precedent for that.
If past is precedent then Lexington and Concord come to mind and the old saying, 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it'.
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So. How are hunters or shooters from out of state suposed to buy ammo??
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Our opponents are practicing the death by a 1000 cuts.

Of course since this bill will affect all gun owners, we can use their proposals to get more people on our side to get of their ***es and get involved.

Collectively we got the government we deserve because our fellow gun owners wouldn't pull their weight to protect gun rights.

The reality is only a small percentage of gun owners do anything, if the percentage of gun owners who got involved jumped from 1 percent to 10 percent, we wouldn't be having these problems.

In all honesty, in an ideal world, we would have 100 percent participation.
Amen Brother
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How much do you guys want to bet that Deleon & Yee, or their staff, have an account trolling this site right now?
CDfingers?
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How much do you guys want to bet that Deleon & Yee, or their staff, have an account trolling this site right now?
there are probably a few that we could name.
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So I keep reading, the CA constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies etc, for the costs imposed by stupid laws, but they get around that by just saying "this bill doesn't have to". That makes the law cost nothing....
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I wonder if Active Duty Military who are stationed in this state will be exempt like they are exempt from taking the handgun safety test?
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Does anyone else think it might be valuable to hire some hookers err….. lobbyists to try and change Leland Yee’s mind?
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Last time SB-249 came up language from this forum made it into the bill. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
I fully support Senator Yee's use of the wording copied into my signature line. Other than that, you'll have to come up with your own ideas you freedom hating tyrant.
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I thought I read somewhere that the ammo purchase permit (extortion fee for taking away our rights) was $50.00? Or did I imagine that?
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I see so much fail in this bill, but I'm going to let the courts tell those commie idiots what they are.
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Just a note to Adam Keigwin if you are reading this thread....you and your boss are as useful to the human race as mammary glands to a boar.
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Ok guys, seriously, does Yee do anything else other than cry about guns and no more shark fin soup? It seems like every week this guy writes a new terrible gun law proposal.
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http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=6086

Doesnt this count against this ruling. I thought we have been through this before
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I am quite sure Brown would veto a bill this wacko. More than I can say for the guy he replaced however....
I believe your optimism is unfounded. However, I do hope you are ultimately found to be correct. I would be happy to be proven wrong on this one.
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Ok guys, seriously, does Yee do anything else other than cry about guns and no more shark fin soup? It seems like every week this guy writes a new terrible gun law proposal.
Noodles, don't forget the poor innocent little noodles.
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