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Old 02-06-2013, 12:22 PM
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Leland Yee, in the end, is nothing more than a political footnote aspiring to be a coffee stain in an old text book.
I sure fkn hope so.
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Bill re-referred to Committee on Public Safety yesterday (02/07/13). Guess its time to start contacting committee members...

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Senator Loni Hancock (Chair)
Senator Joel Anderson (Vice Chair)
Senator Marty Block
Senator Kevin de León
Senator Steve Knight
Senator Carol Liu
Senator Darrell Steinberg
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:58 AM
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so weve got Anderson and Knight, the other 5 either have a 0% rating from the NRA or have introduced their own gun control bills. Things are sure looking up
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Hopefully our legislature as learned its lesson from Leland Yee's other costly bill.

Any of who are gamers remember the anti-gamer legislation which was authored by Leland Yee which the State of California passed and later overturned by the Supreme Court that cost the State of California over $1.8 million in legal fees alone? Thats just an example of how bad Yee's record/legislation as been. He as costed us tax dollars in the past and continues to infringe on our constitutional rights.

Supreme Court - 1
Leland Yee - 0

Lets keep the scorecard that way.

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Old 02-08-2013, 11:18 AM
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Send them all back to China with Yee.
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Bill re-referred to Committee on Public Safety yesterday (02/07/13). Guess its time to start contacting committee members...

Me m b e r s
Senator Loni Hancock (Chair)
Senator Joel Anderson (Vice Chair)
Senator Marty Block
Senator Kevin de León
Senator Steve Knight
Senator Carol Liu
Senator Darrell Steinberg
Kevin de Leon will stop it for sure.....
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the key to this fight might be convincing the other bill writers that if Yee's bill passes theirs wont, so they need to defeat his bill or theirs wont pass

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Old 02-17-2013, 10:27 PM
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Not that anything will happen right away, it will take a year or two at least for even signs of sanity to appear. But I won't be surprised if things are remarkably different five years from now.

Both parties have been like two kids at school, swinging their fists and yelling "Lemme at him!" while a teacher holds the two apart. They could avoid reality as long as they had the teacher as an excuse. Now they don't.
The last time I looked, the term "tipping point" meant the point of no return. I hate to rain on your parade, but California is past that point. It did happen last November. You can be deluded by what you think you are seeing, or what you hope will happen, but, it just ain't so. California is not run by the politicians. The politicians suck-up to, and take orders from, the large public sector unions that run this state. The correctional unions, teachers' unions, CSEA, SEIU, police and fire unions and various other state and/or municipal employee unions call the shots and elect their puppets. The unions give large bucks to their stooges' campaigns, and the stooges give the money right back to them in one form or another. It is a circular road to perdition.

As far as gun control goes, the Democrats can and will do whatever they want to do. Moonbeam may or may not veto some bills, but some will make it no matter what. It will take years for courts to undo the wrongs - if ever.

Again, knowing that the outcome is certain should not deter anyone from raging against that outcome. The Alamo would not stand for what it does if those who knew they were going to die took Santa Ana's early offer to walk away. The Constitution is what is at stake - who cares about California? Whatever made this state such a great place to live vanished long ago in the deluge of illegals and welfare dependents who suck the life out of the rest of us - encouraged by the government unions all the way. It is not just a California problem, it is the American nightmare. I repeat the question, will there be an Alamo in California?
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Old 02-18-2013, 6:31 AM
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The last time I looked, the term "tipping point" meant the point of no return. I hate to rain on your parade, but California is past that point. It did happen last November.
You're not raining on my parade, only your own. There are no permanent tipping points in politics, and California will recover. We've been through far worse.

The Democrats may have won a super majority, but they are not robots with a common mindset and goals. They will fracture, they already have, with the wingnuts pushing for too much too soon, which alarms the halfway sane into thinking they might lose their goals by waking up Republicans and moderates.

You can be as afraid of the sky falling as you want. It isn't.
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You're not raining on my parade, only your own. There are no permanent tipping points in politics, and California will recover. We've been through far worse.

The Democrats may have won a super majority, but they are not robots with a common mindset and goals. They will fracture, they already have, with the wingnuts pushing for too much too soon, which alarms the halfway sane into thinking they might lose their goals by waking up Republicans and moderates.

You can be as afraid of the sky falling as you want. It isn't.
not in my lifetime... it's been steadily getting worse for the past 20 years (or more)... I've been saying it for the past 5-10 years - it's nothing new, but more people are fed up (or at least voicing it now) - and I'm not referring only to this forum.

unless you are much older than me I'm not sure when you have encountered "far worse". It's as bad as it's ever been in the last 45-50 years... and prior, as far as I know it was great.

Unless there is MAJOR change (which wont happen in the near or even distant future) - it is not on any road to recovery by any stretch of the imagination... So like many things in life, we work with what we have - or make our own life changes (in this case move to a more sound state).
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:54 AM
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They want to make it a Felony to have any hollow point bullets. As a match shooter, that is bull****. These people make my blood boil.
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They want to make it a Felony to have any hollow point bullets. As a match shooter, that is bull****. These people make my blood boil.
this is the consequences of voting. most people have zero clue there is one in the first place.
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The bill is set for hearing on April 16th along with SB 374 on the same day

SB 47 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...arch_keywords=

SB 374 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...avClient.xhtml
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Any word on likely or unlikely passage of these?
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I don't know, but its probably wise to keep those thoughts to ourselves, last time we basically wrote the bill for them, don't want a repeat there lol.
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blah... this will be like watching a +3 month long horror movie...
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I don't know, but its probably wise to keep those thoughts to ourselves, last time we basically wrote the bill for them, don't want a repeat there lol.
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The bill is set for hearing on April 16th along with SB 374 on the same day

SB 47 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...arch_keywords=

SB 374 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...avClient.xhtml
Do they plan to go with one or the other? What would SB 47 do that SB 374 wouldn't?

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Do they plan to go with one or the other? What would SB 47 do that SB 374 wouldn't?
Nothing. On the other hand, it appears that 374 does the following things that 47 does not:

1) Requires you to register any detachable-magazine-fed rifle that you own (regardless of action type and when acquired)
2) Extends the SB47 definition of "assault weapons" to include ALL detachable-mag semi-auto rifles INCLUDING rimfires.

The conspicuous inclusion of language lifted directly from 47 in 374 implies that 374 would be the preferred vector of attack...
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ALL of them are going to pass. These will ALL need to be battled in court.
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im still trying to figure out what the definition of detachable magazine is. Ive seen the "dis-assembly of the action" line, but what does that really mean? I have a lever action rifle that I can remove the tubular magazine from without disassembling the action. Also have a bolt action Winchester model 70 (just like millions of other Americans) that I could disassemble the "magazine" without dis-assembly of the action. Would those both need to be registered? If so, dont worry about flooding the system with useless hammer and axe registrations, the guns actually required to be registered would do that all on their own
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This bill is funny. Enough loops holes to drive a truck through it... And the unintended consequences are pretty funny too.
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And the unintended consequences are pretty funny too.
Why do you think they're unintended?
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1) Requires you to register any detachable-magazine-fed rifle that you own (regardless of action type and when acquired)
Every Lee-Enfield owner should register.
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Sounds like Mini14 and Mini30 will be included?...
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Sounds like Mini14 and Mini30 will be included?...
It is so poorly written that almost everything can be included unless otherwise exempted.

Also, did anyone notice that you can only pay by credit card or debit card? What happens to those with bad credit, or don't believe in anything other than cash and checks?
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http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...=201320140SB47

Tons of amendments today. Allows internet registration for a fee. Sounds like a poll tax - $20/weapon, $15/person.

Interesting part: The fee shall be deposited in the Dealers’ Record of Sale Special Account - the $20M fund that we've all paid into. We should be entitled to a refund for that.
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We should be entitled to a refund for that.

Refund?? LoL they are fixin to raid, pillage and plunder that DROS fund.

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'not to exceed the reasonable processing costs' - yea right, then how is there 20 million surplus in the DROS fund? and now they want to pump it up some more


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The phrase "exclude from those provisions" has been changed to "exempt from punishment."
WTF?
Is it just me, or does anybody find this kind of wording messed up?
And after the Bonta end exemptions thing, changing wording from "exclude" to "exempt from punishment" is kinda scary. Maybe I need to break out the tin foil hat.
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gotta fight it tooth and nail...this guy, yee, is truly unbalanced...all you have to do is read his stuff: "Studies show...." just think about the population of the states compared...FACTS show differently according to FBI records...Jon Lott's extensive research show "More guns=less crime"...

wasn't the Stockton tragedy done by a woman, Brenda Spencer, IIRC and, she used a .22 rifle, NOT an "Assault rifle".
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Our only hope here is for gun-control politicians to step on our rights so extensively that the judiciary branch is forced to intervene and reverse it all
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Any mention of limits on sun tan oil and hookers yet?
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Only for Secret Service agents...
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http://legiscan.com/CA/bill/SB47

Does this mean it just passed!?

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no.
So how can we stop the senate subcommittee from passing this? I wish this was put up for a public vote and not some backroom sketchy deal...

http://www.followthemoney.org/databa....phtml?uc=4419

Looks like he has some serious support funds......

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Does this mean it just passed!?
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It's going to pass out of committee. The political fallout if it didn't would be too high. The only change that is remotely likely prior to the legislature passing this is the inclusion of an exemption list for "legitimate sporting arms" similar to DiFi's list that would include rifles such as the Ruger 10/22, Browning BAR stalker hunting rifle, etc to limit opposition from hunters.

This one is going to the courts and will essentially be a test of the "Common Use" language in the Heller case.
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