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Old 12-14-2012, 10:07 AM
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What's up Gunners

I am looking to purchase some dog food in bulk. The bags I am buying are so damn expensive, but I want to make sure my dog eats high quality food (ie: no wheat, corn, or soy).



This is the stuff I am looking for.

any info helps. Sites, discount codes, etc.
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Check out Bones and Raw Food (B.A.R.F.) pet food diets. It is DIY and you use a grinder.

In 3rd world countries, dogs eat what ever is left over from the family.
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The Blue Wilderness food is good stuff. One thing I'd be concerned about is most of the good quality dog foods don't have preservatives, so you'll need to have a good rotation strategy to make sure you use it before it goes bad.
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not sure where you've been getting your stuff from..I don't bulk order but I find the the individual bags the cheapest @ amazon using cgf link and chewy.com (couple bucks cheaper than amazon..no prime/cgf though)
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View this site to determine what IS good food.
Then just search the net for the best price.

That is considered good.

http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/

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So whats wrong with wheat, corn, or soy? FYI wheat and corn are grains and are excellent sources of carbohydrates and protein.

Seriously, go for the Costco Kirkland kibble - it's a quality ration
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I would be concerned about shelf life as well. I have small dogs and it takes them forever to consume a 50 lb bag of food, so I buy in smaller quantities to ensure freshness. I wonder if the bucket/mylar/02 absorber process would appreciably increase the storage life of pet food.

When I saw the thread subject, I wondered for a moment if it was about dog food for human consumption. I suppose humans could survive on dry dog food, but I don't know about the palatability, as I have never tried it.

I will admit that I did try a "Pup-eroni" dog treat once. They do smell good and once, when I was passing out some treats to the little yappers I decided to try a bite. While they might smell like a pepperoni sausage or similar, they taste like burned tire rubber that has been doused with kerosene and dragged through a drainage ditch. Two thumbs down, I do not recommend.
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So whats wrong with wheat, corn, or soy? FYI wheat and corn are grains and are excellent sources of carbohydrates and protein.

Seriously, go for the Costco Kirkland kibble - it's a quality ration
Excellent sources for people. Dogs are genetically meat eaters and don't digest corn and grains well. So says the aforementioned website.

That said, my dogs get whatever is on sale and LIKE IT!

And on topic.....I packed up about 25 lbs of dry food in a bucket with O2 absorbers just like our stuff. The dogs better hope it works.
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If you are a Costco member you can try Nature's Domain. High quality dog food. I pick a bag up every other time I go to Costco for my dogs. This ensures I have 1-2 bags in addition to the one I have open for my dogs.

I think I pay about $35 for 30 .lbs at Costco. Not sure if that is more or less than your preferred brand.

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If you are a Costco member you can try Nature's Domain. High quality dog food. I pick a bag up every other time I go to Costco for my dogs. This ensures I have 1-2 bags in addition to the one I have open for my dogs.

I think I pay about $35 for 30 .lbs at Costco. Not sure if that is more or less than your preferred brand.

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Excellent sources for people. Dogs are genetically meat eaters and don't digest corn and grains well. So says the aforementioned website.
I missed the referenced website but actually dogs are omnivorous and have no trouble digesting corn and grains.

FYI - I have studied veterinary nutrition and physiology in an academic setting
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We feed natural balance at both home and work the sweet potato and venison, I am extremely happy with it. We offer it for sale at work for a deeply discounted price over retail.

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We feed natural balance at both home and work the sweet potato and venison, I am extremely happy with it. We offer it for sale at work for a deeply discounted price over retail.
I'd be interested in where and how much.
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I missed the referenced website but actually dogs are omnivorous and have no trouble digesting corn and grains.

FYI - I have studied veterinary nutrition and physiology in an academic setting
you know its quite interesting I never looked at the dog food rating for kirkland..turns out its quite good except I have noticed the recommendation for grain free foods..the web site still rated it as a 4 star. Interesting..my dog gets taste of the wild which averages 4.5 stars but I'm sure is way more expensive.

the following is the site i use which uses a 1-5 star rating.
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/
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The more dogs you have the more choosing a food becomes a pita. Our vet always pushes the grain/gluten free foods, So that's what I look for. Solid Gold makes good dog food, I buy this one.
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I use a mix of Solid Gold and Taste of the Wild, stored in permanent containers...
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Our dogs eat ducks in the summer, or at least they did last summer.

Other than that they get kirkland food. They used to be on science diet, but it just gets too expensive. One gets lamb and rice and the other gets weight control.
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I have fed Kirkland foods for...well the adult lives of my last 3 dogs...
I've never felt it was a bad choice nor have they ever shown any adveres signs at all.

With my most recent I fed giant breed puppy until he was 2, then Kirkland Chicken..
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I feed mine taste of the wild: wild prairie. It's actually not that expensive 30 pounds cost me 39.99 at pet food depot and right now they have 10 percent off which iessentially covers tax.

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The shelf life is extended as long as you can keep it air tight, cool and dry for dog food. I use these, keeps ants and moisture out. store it indoors in a cool room away from sunlight...

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Depends on how much you're looking for. I *think* the avg liftetime of dog food is about 12-16 months, according to what's listed on the bag of food I get. I typically buy 2-4 bags of it whenever I'm in the Bay Area, as "Pet Club" in Oakland is about 15% cheaper than Petsmart/Petco type of stores down here. So I typically have on hand a 3-5 month supply of food for my dog, and I figure if I have to go beyond that, he'll be eating whatever I'm eating.
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So whats wrong with wheat, corn, or soy? FYI wheat and corn are grains and are excellent sources of carbohydrates and protein.

Seriously, go for the Costco Kirkland kibble - it's a quality ration
My first dog had problems with corn based food. He was getting what are called hot spots. The vet said it could be lots of things but commonly just a food allergy most likely corn. I bought some expensive dog food (forget the brand now) and the spots went away. Next time I was in my costco shopping for normal family stuff I skimmed over their dog foods very happy to see that there's no corn listed in the ingredients of the Kirkland stuff. So, +1 on the costco aka Kirkland dog food, It costs a little more than corn based food but none of my dogs have ever had hot spots from it.
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How do you know for sure that it was corn that was causing your dog's hot spots? Hot spots can be caused by a hundred things and true corn allergies in dogs are rare. Most skin problems are due to environmental allergens or irritants, not food. There have been studies that have shown that corn actually helps animals to not be so allergic to people! The whole grain/corn free food fad is all marketing gimmicks and people getting their nutritional information from pet stores, neighbors, garbageman, and from the internet rather than their veterinarian
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Royal canin says they have a shelf life ( if kept dry) of one month.
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How do you know for sure that it was corn that was causing your dog's hot spots? Hot spots can be caused by a hundred things and true corn allergies in dogs are rare. Most skin problems are due to environmental allergens or irritants, not food. There have been studies that have shown that corn actually helps animals to not be so allergic to people! The whole grain/corn free food fad is all marketing gimmicks and people getting their nutritional information from pet stores, neighbors, garbageman, and from the internet rather than their veterinarian
The grain free dog food recommendation came from my vet. People would be wise, as you mentioned, to listen to their vet and not people on the internet....like you and I. It doesn't take much thought however for anyone to come to the correct conclusion that dogs should have a high protein, high fat, low card diet.

Lots of dogs can have or develop food allergies that appear in either a skin irritation or a ears/nose/throat infection. Of course it all depends on the individual dog.

One of my dogs can't have lamb. His skin becomes red and dry, like a rash, behind the joints. Took a while to figure out what the problem was. Another dog I have can't have food with yeast in it, he gets massive ear infections. Lot's of dog food has brewers yeast added.
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I buy mine from the big box store and keep about 4-6 months in stock.
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Dog food contains oils/fats. These will develop rancidity over time due to exposure to oxygen. For this reason, most dog food is good just "on the shelf" for about six months

If you want to keep dog food as long term storage (or any human dry food containing fats, such as brown rice) you have to remove oxygen from the equation. Most plastic is not an oxygen barrier. Oxygen will permeate a regular 5 gallon container and will go right through ziploc bags. It will NOT go through sealed mylar however. If you put your dog food in a mylar bag with an oxygen absorber, it should be good virtually indefinitely. It is a good idea to then protect the mylar bag from puncture, so we store them inside 5 gallon buckets.

Dog food + O2 absorber + mylar + bucket = excellent long term storage.
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I missed the referenced website but actually dogs are omnivorous and have no trouble digesting corn and grains.

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I changed food based on possible corn/food allergy suggested by my vet. Changing to no corn food stopped the hot spots so i never looked back.
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I missed the referenced website but actually dogs are omnivorous and have no trouble digesting corn and grains.

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I think a more honest statement would be "some dogs have no trouble digesting corn and grains." And a lot of people will still disagree with you on that one. Including people with PhD's and DVM's after their names. Are they obligate carnivores like a cat? No. But they aren't omnivores in the sense of a bear, either. They are descended from wolves, the ancestral diet isn't hard to figure out. And I can tell you this much as a pet store owner, I have seen a lot of dogs that have been on a corn based food switched to a high quality diet of grain free food for 30 days, and they look like new dogs. A lot of that is likely allergies to the grains, but it's something I see over and over. Give this a cursory glance: http://leerburg.com/diet.htm Not arguing, just throwing out more info.
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Costco Natures Domain.

Gotta keep the dog in good condition incase SHTF

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I use Natures Variety- rotational feeding. Venison meal and millet, Chicken and the salmon
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after SHTF my dogs will eat squerrles and other small animals.
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Just feed my dog the left over Tri-tip from dinner. He eats better than some people. For regular dog food he gets Nutro.
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I rep'd for blue buffalo a couple years back, they never had sales or coupons. I don't know about now. Since you didnt say cost is an issue, blue is as good as it gets when it comes to dry food. But if you look at the cost of food made for dogs you can feed them better and cheaper visiting your butcher for fat trimmings add alittle beef and some veggies done. Dogs diets aren't that different from ours, which the exception that they use a higher fat% for energy and fat is really cheap if not free from the butcher.
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But if you look at the cost of food made for dogs you can feed them better and cheaper visiting your butcher for fat trimmings add alittle beef and some veggies done. Dogs diets aren't that different from ours, which the exception that they use a higher fat% for energy and fat is really cheap if not free from the butcher.
Don't try to do this on your own - just feeding "fat trimmings a little beef and some veggies" can get lead to some serious nutritional deficiencies. Also fat is not the best source for energy and an excess can put your dog in the hospital with pancreatitis. For energy your dog needs carbohydrates, not meat or fat
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