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Old 12-16-2012, 1:11 PM
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Default 4X4 Ford or Chevy VAN in bio-diesel

Chevy makes 'soft' 4x4 van, some aftermarket company does 4X4 Ford vans.


Or a Subaru wagon if MPG is going to be a factor. Only 4X4s I've know that actually got decent MPG and their are said to be "underrated" as off-roaders.

Both those not going to be too good for roadside repairs, however. Subarus got a reps for "WTF?" among mechanics.

The much lighter 2wd German "Thing" was said to be better for some off roading than a Jeep because it was MUCH LIGHTER and easier to get unstuck manually with just who ever was riding in it.
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That's is one purty bronco!!!!
I've always wanted one

Reminds me of the international scouts too
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I got a 73 bronco that I'm about to pull out of the garage soon. Can't wait. I like your color pick
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I was assuming there wouldnt be any open for business anyhow
I didn't mean the places would be open. My comment was just about what they stock and the possibility of finding a part there.

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Older trucks are getting more scarce but the tradeoff is theres a huge abundance.
On your next trip try counting the vehicles that you would be looking for and see how many you find. Older vehicles on the roads aren't as common as you might think compared to the millions of newer vehicles. Searching through miles of gridlocked abandoned cars for what you need isn't really a viable option.

There's a reason all those mail-order, old vehicle parts houses are in business.
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I'd like to know who the bonehead was who stood directly behind some of those rigs with a camera as they went up some pretty hairy inclines. That is the LAST place I'd like to be personally, but the shots were pretty cool with some of the axle articulation and wheel spin.
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I'd like to know who the bonehead was who stood directly behind some of those rigs with a camera as they went up some pretty hairy inclines. That is the LAST place I'd like to be personally, but the shots were pretty cool with some of the axle articulation and wheel spin.
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Ive owned Chevy Blazers and Jeeps over the years and feel they are pretty rugged.

If you were to pick a 4x4 vehicle for the SHTF MadMax scenario where few vehicles make the grade, which make, model and year would be best? Id want to have a vehicle that I could scavenge alot of parts off dead vehicles by the road. Which 4x4s are the most common? Im leaning towards Jeeps, but there are alot of Fords, Dodges, Chevys and Toyotas that would be east for canabalizing parts.
Will there be gasoline?
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wow...you guys are way off base... 1980's era Diesel Hummer...hands down, /thread
I was in the Army during the transition from the M151(Jeep) to the HMMWV(Hummer). I drove a brand new Hummer off of a railcar with less than ten miles on the odometer. In less than a mile from the rail-head, all of the alternator(Gen?) bolts sheared off causing the alternator(Gen?) to fall forward into the radiator, which caused even more damage. I had to wait for a wrecker to come tow a brand new Hummer to the motor-pool.

I would gladly trade ten '80s HMMWVs for two (early) '70s Toyota Landcruisers any day

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agreed, hummer's are overrated. This was my 4x4 before my current Jeep:



It was an interesting grocery getter, but it was too heavy, too wide, and way too under powered! I broke an Axle and got stuck out in Pismo. Had to get towed out by a Ford.
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I broke an Axle and got stuck out in Pismo. Had to get towed out by a Ford.
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Will there be gasoline?
if there is fuel, there will be diesel. reason? monied intrests want to make money from their assets be that a farm, mine, or oil well. the fuel infrastructure will focus on the vehicles that support these enterprises.

look at the 3rd world....you may not find gas but you can always find some crappy diesel anywhere in the world being sold from 2L bottles.
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Old 12-17-2012, 5:51 AM
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I drove Hummers for a few years in the 90s while wearing green and worked in the parts shop when i was recupping from an injury.

HMMWV's are very expensive in time, money, and resources to own. They break realtively easy even without off roading and the parts are ridicously expensive. Biggest failure points were the dog bones...I think they are called transaxles. They connect the tire hubs to the differentials (or pumpkins).

Next were flat tires, leaking breaks, main seals, diff seals, and electrical systems.

I would take one if found on the side of the road but would never rely it or put down any cash for it.

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Old 12-17-2012, 6:45 AM
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if there is fuel, there will be diesel. reason? monied intrests want to make money from their assets be that a farm, mine, or oil well. the fuel infrastructure will focus on the vehicles that support these enterprises.

look at the 3rd world....you may not find gas but you can always find some crappy diesel anywhere in the world being sold from 2L bottles.
Honestly Im leaning toward diesel anyhow. I currently drive an 09 Chevy 2500 with a Duramax. I looked yard at convertion to run veggie but Im too attached to it the way it is

The CCUV mentioned above is an ok diesel but somewhat a nightmare to get runnung well. Here in the US, diesels arent common on light passenger vehicles, stupid if you ask me, but everywhere you look, there are Isuzus, Cummins and a bunch of others in delivery trucks, farm equipment, generators, etc. Many of these can bolt up to a light truck drivetrain with some mods.

Im now thinking going this route:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojWVsdww-E4
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Old 12-17-2012, 5:59 PM
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agreed, hummer's are overrated. This was my 4x4 before my current Jeep:



It was an interesting grocery getter, but it was too heavy, too wide, and way too under powered! I broke an Axle and got stuck out in Pismo. Had to get towed out by a Ford.
I have seen worse then that, in Big Bear I watched a civilian H1 get high centered on a rock pile. He was pulled off by a Suzuki Samurai. The Sami had to take several running starts but eventually moved the HUMMER enough that it could get a tire on the ground.
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And since we are showing Early Broncos, here's mine in action at Doran Canyon during the 35th Anniversary of the Bronco Event. If you look closely at the left rear you can just see the photographer that took the picture that ended up as the centerspread in 4Wheel & Off Road magazine. My wife's stock EB is the same year/color and looks like the before pic to mine.

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Honestly Im leaning toward diesel anyhow. I currently drive an 09 Chevy 2500 with a Duramax. I looked yard at convertion to run veggie but Im too attached to it the way it is
Your 09 Duramax won't like that
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Talking 4x4 vehicle

I have a 1987 Nissan Pathfinder (2 Door)

1. Great gas mileage with a reserve tank
2. 5 passanger vehicle with cargo area too.
3. small enough to get in and out of tight spaces.
4. super dependable on street or rough terrain.
5. Excellent clearance.
6. Oh yeah...No Fuel injection either.

I wouldnt trade mine for any of these others I just read about.
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Old 12-18-2012, 7:03 AM
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Another vote for the Cherokee XJ. All around, just a good dependable vehicle. Mine has about 210,000 miles on it now, and just keeps going despite a lot of neglect as far as maintenance. Parts are available and easy to replace for the most part. Despite being newer vehicles, these come apart and go back together a lot like older gen vehicles. Lots of room in the engine bay for turning wrenches. By the time the production ended in 2001, Chrylser/Jeep had pretty much perfected the design. The late model Cherokees are extremely reliable as a result. Only downside I can see with these is that the fuel mileage goes downhill pretty fast once you lift it and put big tires on them. Mine only pulls about 15-16 MPG regardless of terrain.
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1991 Suburban 3/4 ton 4x4, 350/4L80E, 410 towing packing.
-its 8lug heavy duty axles
-410 gears CAN handle 35s
-Good trans/motor combo
-can tow decent
-VERY CHEAP
-4x4 in SUV form is EXCELLENT in snow
-LOTS of room inside for gear and to sleep
-40 gallon gas tanks
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Fuel mileage may or may not be an issue. Factor in number of passengers, weight of gear, jerry cans, you could still get pretty far. I already have a syphon in my kit. If we run across a dead vehicle, we'll syphon into a jerry can. My plans include some off road driving to get around obstacles, traffic jams and choke points but i plan on using improved roads mostly and putting miles between us and the hoardes.
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I did a calculation once on what kind of mpg folks were getting in evacuation traffic out of New Orleans from Katrina. I ran across some guy who posted how much fuel he used starting w a full tank and jerry cans in the back of his truck. The numbers were startling....bases on my extrapolation of his vehicle/engine type, the fuel he said he used, the known destination he was going to, and the hours he was on the road...I calculated the guys fuel economy was at best 20-25% of his CITY CYCLE mpg. This glaring fact was one of the biggest reasons why I let go of my 4runner: range. at 17mpg...I was looking at 3.5-4.25 mile gallons. A 17 gallon tank could take me as little as 50-something miles. Big problem.

And the problem w gas is its just too dang dangerous to store/goes bad quickly.
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A J10(like the one below) or an old bronco.

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Or a Jeep.



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^ Ya I miss my XJ... sold it at 230k with plenty left to give. That video doesn't suprise me. Would a YJ stand up to even more? (love them 4.0l I6's)

It is nice having a diesel with mechanical injection. lots of fuel options.

a rig with a divorced transfer case would make repowering easier...cause you're obviously not worried about getting it smogged. (makes me think of the old car's in Cuba repowered with a comblock block, is this a pun?)
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Either that or a V.W. powered sand rail. They will run on gas, diesel, kerosene, vegetable oil, just about anything and, there easy to work on.
please explain that. I have owned many VW and never heard that you can run them off anything but gas.
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Love my Jeep Wrangler but I'm not going to haul much with it. Really hopping to have a full support group to make use of the Jeep, Ram & Yukon.
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If SHTF and you think which of the big three makes a difference,


Kiss your *** good bye.
did you see this?

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Hummer H2 Uses common GM parts, good off road ability, comfy inside.
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Hummer H2 Uses common GM parts, good off road ability, comfy inside.
Just a pimped out Tahoe that gets you no drivetrain upgrades for your extra money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YacG9PkGtI

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My friend, 100dollarman, sells these on Pirate. I have a 2008 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon that I wheel the bejeezus out of. Awesome rock crawler / overlander. There should be plenty of these around in a SHTF scenario. Any solid axle Toyota would do as well. Toyotas are cheap and plentiful.
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Mechanically injected diesel in a 4x4 chassis. When the fuel runs out they can easily be run on waste motor oil, hydraulic oil, ATF, if it is filtered well and thinned with a bit of petroleum solvent (gasoline at a small percentage works well). Preferably a model that was mass produced with a powerplant used in other commercial applications. Easy to find and make home brewed fuel, and spare parts availability.
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Without a doubt this is the way to go. Make sure you get a 4x4, 4.0, 231 transfer case (part time) and I perfer the AW4 automatic transmission. You cant ask for a more capable, dependable rig.
Then why did you sell yours? Cherokee is the best bang for the buck though, in the above configuration. Some rocker protection, 4-5" lift and 33's, D44 rear, regeared for under $5k is a go anywhere rig. I'm thinking bicycle might not be a bad choice when you can't find fuel.

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Mechanically injected diesel in a 4x4 chassis. When the fuel runs out they can easily be run on waste motor oil, hydraulic oil, ATF, if it is filtered well and thinned with a bit of petroleum solvent (gasoline at a small percentage works well). Preferably a model that was mass produced with a powerplant used in other commercial applications. Easy to find and make home brewed fuel, and spare parts availability.
This, no ECU, nothing but an engine-driven mechanical fuel pump to make it run. Heck, you can start it on a hill and not even need a battery or alternator.
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M151A1 for me. Simple to work on, Low tire pressure and over 300 miles per tank of fuel. My M416 trailer Carries 12 nato cans, and extra supplies for a 3 month camping trip. And I can still get parts for it.
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Just a pimped out Tahoe that gets you no drivetrain upgrades for your extra money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YacG9PkGtI
Its more then just a pimped Tahoe. See link for more info.

http://www.rockcrawler.com/reviews/h...fing/page3.asp

You know the wall in Cow Mtn, I almost went up it except I was afraid of flipping over LOL. Next time I'm going to tie a cable to the front and go up that. I'll see if I can find the pics. Only downside of the H2 for off roading is the width. But, if you don't mind scratches you can just plow your own trail
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