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Old 12-13-2012, 7:45 PM
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Default Which 4x4 vehicle

Ive owned Chevy Blazers and Jeeps over the years and feel they are pretty rugged.

If you were to pick a 4x4 vehicle for the SHTF MadMax scenario where few vehicles make the grade, which make, model and year would be best? Id want to have a vehicle that I could scavenge alot of parts off dead vehicles by the road. Which 4x4s are the most common? Im leaning towards Jeeps, but there are alot of Fords, Dodges, Chevys and Toyotas that would be east for canabalizing parts.
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Old 12-13-2012, 7:48 PM
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I like the Toyota.. just a few different size bolts lots of them on the road. good gas mileage. not the fastest thing on the road but they will get you pretty much anywhere you need to go.. 85 and earlier.. SFA .. land cruiser fj40 the wagon.. 4runner.. or a jeep.. those are pretty damn rugged too. but i'd rather push my Toyota then drive a Heep
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Right on!! Im thinking fewest bolt sizes means fewer tools. So for the sake of argument, the ideal 4x4 has to be one that can be worked on in the worst of conditions with the fewest tools and I can scavenge parts from the largest number of sources.
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The Ford F-150 has been the number one selling truck for how long now?!

I would go with a mid 80's Ford Bronco or F150.
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late 80s/early 90s Jeep Cherokee 4x4

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I have a '72 Landcruiser with a mostly stock drive train (second case, stupid low gearing and ARB lockers added), and a lifted '91 landcruiser (with an extra old-school carbed engine for it just in case (EMP) )
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1999 toyota 4runner 4x4 v6.

holds more then a jeep. and you see 3rd gen 4runners all over the place.

oh ya i already have one lol.
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Nothing with a computer. And I would probably avoid anything fuel injected too.

Honestly, if we're talking Mad Max, I'm going military diesel. Gas keeps for a month, maybe. Diesel keeps for years. No telling when you'll be able to fill up again.

So for me that would mean a CUCV from the early-mid 80s. All the key parts are interchangeable with any other GM 1500 truck/Blazer from the time, but since they were built well stronger in every way that matters you probably won't need 'em.

Hah wow look what the google machine turned up. This is an ad from 1984. Very cool!

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The Ford F-150 has been the number one selling truck for how long now?!

I would go with a mid 80's Ford Bronco or F150.
+10. One of the toughest trucks out there and dependent on what power train you get it in you have 40+ years worth of Ford products to scavenge from.
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late 80s/early 90s Jeep Cherokee 4x4

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Are these carb or throttle body? How interchangeable are parts from earlier Jeeps? I like Chevys because the SB350s and 30 years of trannys are virtually interchangeable. But, I would be leary of any 80s computerized trans or throttles.
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The best VALUE/DEAL you can get, i.e. the best price.

For hardcore reliability, select a solid axle front & rear. Something common, parts easy to get.

Any GM or Jeep (or Dodge?) would meet that criteria. The Ford F150's have that crap Front suspension, IMHO. But the F250's and above have the better solid axle front drive gear.

But the main thing, IMHO, is to get the best value. Make sure you are comfortable with the vehicles maintenance, etc. And how it runs.

Has the guy changed the oil, like in the transfer case and diffs? Is he a finactic on syn oils? Can he speak of the religious maintenance he's done?

If he can't, be aware - and and cautious.

You'll have a GUT feeling, use it. I have always purchased used cars, and I have always driven them well past 175K w/o any problems.

When something seems weird, or wrong, avoid it...

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Nothing with a computer. And I would probably avoid anything fuel injected too.
X2 this^^^

This is one of the reasons why I jumped on the opportunity to pick up a spare Toyota F motor... simple carberator, and points ignition. I have a spare for the 40, or if need be I can convert the 80 to a "Dumb" motor
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Early 80's military diesel Blazer.

I see it's been posted above. I already have a 1-ton dually with that powertrain. It would be damn near unstoppable in a light 4wd.
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Toyota.
Yeah but which model and year? Makes a difference with ease of working on, availability of parts, reliability of older vs newer technology.

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Early 80's military diesel Blazer.
Yeah the 6.2L Diesel is pretty common and I like that you could swap standard GM parts on. That engine isnt the easiest to work on though. I think there are alot more Wonder bread trucks with Cummins BT4 engines and I have read where folks have dropped those into Toyotas and Jeeps

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Coolness factor is like 90+ but those are not gonna be as common as a Dodge truck.
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seeing as i have it already a 1984 cj-7 and it is all set up to go anywhere i want to.

but if a choice i would like to get a very old school MB. nothing fancy here, goes like the devil and NO computers to f-up and leave you stranded.


but if money was no object...


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My Jeep Scrambler-kinda roomy for a Jeep, big tires and lockers-goes almost anywhere, Chevy drive train-power and easy to find parts.
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If I could have any? It would be an MRAP. Most likely choice would be a 70's Chevy pickup/Blazer
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All the side by side owners will be loving life.
Climb like goats, good on gas ..

You can find those diesel blazers military surplus.
I have a 4runner. Uber reliable, very capable stock 4x4, cheap upgrades(locker, suspension, tires) get em thru rubicon.
@ same storage as single cab w/shell on it.
Nice flat sleeping area.
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SHTF vehicle criteria

1, 4X4
2, Hauls enough family, supplies and stuff
3, Easily found parts
4, reliability
5, Solid fron axle
6, Non electronic ignition, no computer controlled engine, No fuel injection
7, Commonality of bolt and nut sizes
8, Easy to repair or replace parts

Many later model vehicles have metric and SAE nuts and bolts. Along with electronic ignition and engine computers so they are out.

Old military meets all the criteria except easily found parts. Otherwise an M37 would probably win.

To meet items 1 through 8. I'd suggest a pre electronic ignition/computer chevy 3/4 truck or suburban. Parts literally everywhere. pretty durable vehicle too. They come in gas or diesel and most important of all. They are not expensive to buy and are easy to repair. Lots of room under the hood and plenty of room under the frame for extra fuel tanks.

Extra bonus: If it is 1975 or older. No smog required.
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I think a diesel would be best because you could use veggie oil when the gas runs out. Or maybe the Mad Max V8 Interceptor car that you can turn on the blower manually (jk).
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Multifuel Engine Bobbed Deuce for its ability to run on gasoline, diesel, kerosene, old motor oil, veggie oil, etc. though I think I would do just fine in my 06' Jeep LJ
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Multifuel Engine Bobbed Deuce for its ability to run on gasoline, diesel, kerosene, old motor oil, veggie oil, etc. though I think I would do just fine in my 06' Jeep LJ
The Deuce is nice while it works. When it breaks though you aren't gonna find anything to fix it unless you happen to be near abandoned others deuces.
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Most any 4X4 thats pre 1975. No computers. No smog crap.
Either that or a V.W. powered sand rail. They will run on gas, diesel, kerosene, vegetable oil, just about anything and, there easy to work on.
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If it's mad max SHTF just pick whatever one you want. When things go horribly wrong there is going to be cars abandoned all over.
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The Deuce is nice while it works. When it breaks though you aren't gonna find anything to fix it unless you happen to be near abandoned others deuces.
There's a joke in there somewhere, I'm certain of it.
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The Ford F-150 has been the number one selling truck for how long now?!

I would go with a mid 80's Ford Bronco or F150.
This is what powers the new 2013 Ford F150.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tEqwXrqzH4

PM me if you want to make an outstanding deal on one. Ford dealer on CA central coast for more than 25 years.

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Completely disagree. Any EMP event that has enough power to wipe out your car or trucks electronics, you are dead anyways.

Any late model 4 by 4 pickup that is capable of hauling a heavy load and pull a trailer also. All the preparation in the world isn't worth spit if you don't have room for it.

Having multiple spare tires will serve you well. I have a winch that fits in a trailer receiver in the front or rear of my pickup. It serves me well.
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Theres a small blk Chevy on every street. so GM would probably be the easiest scrounge parts.
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Get a FORD, I agree, they've had the best selling truck for sometime now!

The DD 6.2 diesel is garbage, especially when its un-turboed. I don't see too many of them but when I do, they are overheating. Unless you know your way around a diesel, I would probably stick to gas. Things don't usually go wrong on diesels but when they do, they sure do go bad and expensive.

Any old Cummins, International is GTG
The 6BT and DT360 are great engines because they are straight 6s, 6 injectors instead of 8! The DT360 is better because its a wet sleeve design and you can do a more or less rebuild without taking it to a machine shop
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late 80s/early 90s Jeep Cherokee 4x4

nuff said

+1000

Without a doubt this is the way to go. Make sure you get a 4x4, 4.0, 231 transfer case (part time) and I perfer the AW4 automatic transmission. You cant ask for a more capable, dependable rig.
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This is what powers the new 2013 Ford F150.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tEqwXrqzH4

PM me if you want to make an outstanding deal on one. Ford dealer on CA central coast for more than 25 years.

www.jimvreelandford.com


That's an impressive test in that video, goes to show what happens when you trust your engineers to bring a company back.
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