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Old 12-08-2012, 7:56 AM
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Thank you for explaining this better than I did.

On a different subject, is it the PTR that beats up brass to the point it cannot (or should not) be reloaded? With the cost of .308 ammo, that would be a deal breaker for me.

I don't know much about PTR's, but I do know M14's are addictive. My AR's are now neglected with my LRB M25 coming onto the scene.



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They aren't talking about real USGI M14s. They are talking about M14 pattern rifles made by other manufactures not including Springfield Armory.

LRB arms makes a semi-automatic rifle that it calls an M14S I believe. Other companies like Polytech and Norinco made semi-auto rifles called M14s, patterned after the real deal USGI M14.

Obviously we can't own USGI M14s here. What people are saying is to buy an M14 pattern rifle other than a Springfield M1A.

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Old 12-08-2012, 8:49 AM
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Get a port buffer and the creases on the brass go away. Cheap easy aftermarket mod. A bigger issue is that like a mini 14 G3 type rifles tend to eject the brass into the next county. I've seen a brass catching attachment. But not sure where. You can't see the port buffer in this pix but I have one on my gun.
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Old 12-08-2012, 8:52 AM
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I also favor the M1A. I had a PTR. It was ok. Also if you reload the PTR is going to be very rough on the brass.
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:32 AM
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Like some else said. Get a Garand. From the CMP of course.

http://www.thecmp.org/Sales/m1garand.htm

Even a special grade with a new Criterion barrel is less than a $1000. You could get two service grades for about the same as any of the other .308 autos.

You'll get that 8rd enbloc into the rifle faster than a 10rd mag into any of those other rifles.

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Old 12-08-2012, 10:33 AM
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Don't forget the ammo.

http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catal...ogList&cat=AMC
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:47 AM
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Well those that don not have knowledge suffer

LRB Walnut Stock M14 $2600 (semi auto)
(Forged Reciever not M1A Cast Crap, All Steel Internals Not M1A pot metal pos)

By the time you buy a M1A and change out then internals for steel forged parts you could have a LRB M14

OMG another expert. So how many M1A1 receivers have you broken?

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The only way to even get close to a non-NFA M-14 would be to get the Fulton armory receiver and hunt down the GI parts... Good luck with that one. The parts are probably worth more than a top grade M-1A
Why? Does the Fulton have the forged receiver. I know in the past they have forged the receivers
. The sa inc is cast and therefore it has extra metal in areas to strengthen the the receiver.
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OMG another expert. So how many M1A1 receivers have you broken?

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I have not broken any. However have you seen the M1A's coming out lately? Springfield needs to get their QC People some new glasses.
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They aren't talking about real USGI M14s. They are talking about M14 pattern rifles made by other manufactures not including Springfield Armory.

LRB arms makes a semi-automatic rifle that it calls an M14S I believe. Other companies like Polytech and Norinco made semi-auto rifles called M14s, patterned after the real deal USGI M14.

Obviously we can't own USGI M14s here. What people are saying is to buy an M14 pattern rifle other than a Springfield M1A.
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I have not broken any. However have you seen the M1A's coming out lately? Springfield needs to get their QC People some new glasses.
Yeah I looked at a couple the other day and both of them had problems with the scope mounting hole/slot on the side of the receiver. It's no wonder to me that so many people have headaches when mounting a scope.
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Old 12-08-2012, 2:18 PM
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Yeah I looked at a couple the other day and both of them had problems with the scope mounting hole/slot on the side of the receiver. It's no wonder to me that so many people have headaches when mounting a scope.
Not a new problem. This has been going on for years. Mine is a 98 #110129
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I have not broken any. However have you seen the M1A's coming out lately? Springfield needs to get their QC People some new glasses.
This might be very true but early guns are all GI and that is where to shop. But the answer is to have both. LOL.
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Old 12-09-2012, 9:16 AM
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I have not broken any. However have you seen the M1A's coming out lately? Springfield needs to get their QC People some new glasses.
If Springfield did not offer a 'lifetime' warranty, they would have died long ago.

I'd suggest checking Polytech and perhaps going from there.

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Old 12-09-2012, 9:22 AM
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For a little more skip the M1A and just get a M14

LOL dude for the cost of a real M14 you can buy 10 M1As. The M14 is a real select fire rifle. Unless you meant a Polytech M14 or some other semi auto labeled M14 but still semi auto. Im assuming you meant M14 labeled rifle as the civilian version not the real full auto type. I have a buddy who says he has a AK47 and i tell him you have a Saiga rifle. A true AK47 would be hard to get to say the least.

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Just jailed m1a this week while a ptr91 was right next to it.
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I would rather ask experienced shooters/owners of both weapons. I don' have access to shoot both weapons, touching them in the store only goes so far. Looks like the M1A is it. Now to find a Standard for a good price.
If you're going to spend that much $$ go a little further and pay for a heavier barreled model like the "Loaded".
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I owned an HK91 and didn't like it. Bad sights, bad trigger, bad charging handle set up, too much felt recoil. The M1A is a much superior rifle, particuarly as a range rifle. I'm assuming the PTR91 mimics the HK91.
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I would say a M1A. Don’t get me wrong, I love the 91 platform, but it does hit hard, the trigger is a bit on the rough side, the sights are an acquired taste and without a deflector reloading is out of the question. In my HK91, the buffer has been modified, the trigger has been fully worked, the barrel shortened and a different stock added to help balance the beast. PTR does great work, but considering your location and limitations, I think you’ll me more pleased with what the M1A has to offer. Plus it’s damn sexy and speaks every word of American history.

Just because I didn’t see many 91 platform rifle pics, I'll share one of mine.


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I'd suggest checking Polytech and perhaps going from there.
Good advise... that's just what I did more than once.

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I have both. M1A would be my choice. It just feels smoother, and accuracy is better. I never really liked that charging handle on those HK type of guns. Detail cleaning is alot easier on the M1A aswell.
Same here
I have both as well and prefer the M1A by a big margin.
PTR-91 is very good, mind you, but I prefer the M1A
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The HK brass loads just fine if you use good brass like LC or other military.

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You don't know what you're talking about.

There are no M14s for sale in US without NFA paperwork and they are very expensive. M14s are regarded to be MGs.

M1As are the semiauto version of the M14.
THANK YOU i just bought a mint 1983 M1A with mostly surplus M 14 parts in it. it is a civilian M 14 simi auto. very few Military M14s were ever fired full auto. most had a full auto lock on them.
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The HK brass loads just fine if you use good brass like LC or other military.

Thank you for posting that pic. I too reload my "Un-reloadable" HK brass without any problems. Everyone is an expert on the HK system. Even guys who have never seen, held, or shot one.

Best 308 design ever IMO. I enjoy my M1A as well but the SAR-8 goes to the range more often.
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One thing about 308 right now seems to be a scarcity of surplus ammo availability.

And my vote goes to M1A. And a Garand.

I've got an older National Match, and that extra level of quality I think makes the rifle. I've seen more recent Loaded M1A's with synthetic stocks and they just don't seem to be on the same level.
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After shooting both, I prefer (and bought) the PTR. The M1A felt like a log, the ergos were not right. I love shooting the PTR and find it very accurate with match grade ammo. German engineering but made in USA.
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I like M1A's but I am more of an enthusiast than a proshooteromfgshtfwtfisgoingonineedotshootzombiesa ndsubwaymonsters gun owner. I like my PTR91 alot more simply because it draws WAY more attention and comments than the 15 other people with M1A's. I guess I'm boujee and like to be different. Couple that with the fact that I really enjoy shooting my PTR and its win-win.
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I snooze I loose, was waiting for my Christmas bonus. No rifles for sale anywhere.
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Where are you located? The guns, fish, and stuff in vacaville has 5 m1a on the shelf. They also have one AR in .25 wssm.
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Given that the PRR has a FAR greater likelihood of being banned than the cosmetically friendly M-1A I recommend getting a PTR now if you ever want to lawfully own one. No, I'm not sayin "panic" but I am saying do take into consideration th high probablility PTRs may soon no lover be available.
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It seems to me that folks are only flipping out over AR stuff. The rest seems available still.
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the people that are impressed with my M1A are the kind of people i want to impress. i do not even know what a PTR is. i am sure it is fun. the timing for buying my M1A was real bad. but after thinking about it i did what any good gun nut would do i bought it. it seems the PTR was the right choice for you.
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As much fun as it would be to spend $2600 of Your money suggesting a LRB Walnut Stock M14 (semi auto). . .

The Service Grade Garands from the CMP are near-new of late, and that allows you to get ~ 3800 rounds of HXP 30-06 ammo and a Hundred CMP3 clips to go along with it.

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