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Old 12-07-2012, 7:58 AM
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Default M1A vs PTR 91?

I'm looking to get my first 308 semi auto rifle and am debating between a Springfield M1A or a PTR 91. I'm going to be shooting less than 200 yards. What are your opinions on the differences? Any advantages between the two?
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Old 12-07-2012, 8:09 AM
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I will take M-1A anytime. I never liked the trigger of HK-91 type rifles.

My M-1A is very accurate.
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Old 12-07-2012, 8:44 AM
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I've had a SAR-8 (Greek HK-91. Basically same as the PTR) as well as several M1As. The M1A is, IMHO, the far better weapon. I sold the SAR8, but stil have the M1As.
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Old 12-07-2012, 9:26 AM
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M1A = no bullet button
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I have them both. I like each for different reasons. What is your budget first off. Do you intend to use optics? If just irons, the M1a irons are the best out of any battle rifle IMO. Nither are well suited for optics though can be adapted. I would get the M1a a ever so slight edge on the optics side only because the charging handle can get in the way on the PTR/G3 platform. Do you care about featureless beng in CA? I really like the ability to drop mags. It really isn't an issue otherwise but I just feel it is a nice option to have. My PTR has BB and it works just fine too. If I were to change it to be featureless, the PTR would feel ackward to me. Both you are looking at .60c at the very least but also factor in the cost of mags. 6 mags for the PTR will run you 25ish bucks... M1a is a different story on top of the initial cost of the gun. The M1a(Loaded model) is more accurate for me with irons. PTR(F model) is a better value I would say but if I were to get rid of one, the PTR would go. Springfield offers a lifetime warranty, PTR is 5 years I believe if that matters too...
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Hands down, M1A
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M1a, no bb, A piece of American history, high cap mags that you own, gorgeous with wood
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:47 AM
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M-1A. An original H&K G3 would be competitive with the M-1A but not a PTR.
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For a little more skip the M1A and just get a M14
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I have both. M1A would be my choice. It just feels smoother, and accuracy is better. I never really liked that charging handle on those HK type of guns. Detail cleaning is alot easier on the M1A aswell.
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I used to have an H&K 91...sold it and kept the M1A.
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For a little more skip the M1A and just get a M14
You don't know what you're talking about.

There are no M14s for sale in US without NFA paperwork and they are very expensive. M14s are regarded to be MGs.

M1As are the semiauto version of the M14.
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ps. Have you also consider a FAL??? if you are really looking for a .308 workhorse, I would go with that route. The adjustable gas system is perfect for feeding all types of ammo. The thing is rugged and battle tested. Not so much for long range but a true beast that is heavily underrated in my opinion.
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Come on in to the 21st Century. FN Herstal SCAR.

CA Version in stock at RifleGear.
http://www.riflegear.com/p-1367-fn-h...r-17s-fde.aspx

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I will take M-1A anytime. I never liked the trigger of HK-91 type rifles.

My M-1A is very accurate.
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M-1A. An original H&K G3 would be competitive with the M-1A but not a PTR.
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I have both. M1A would be my choice. It just feels smoother, and accuracy is better. I never really liked that charging handle on those HK type of guns. Detail cleaning is alot easier on the M1A aswell.
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I used to have an H&K 91...sold it and kept the M1A.
Yeah...so that about settles it.

BTW....+1 on the M1a. Its a BOSS!!
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Sounds about right. I love mine.

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Instead of asking the internet you really ought to handle a few (on the range if possible) and weigh other factors, like ammunition and accessories costs.
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I would rather ask experienced shooters/owners of both weapons. I don' have access to shoot both weapons, touching them in the store only goes so far. Looks like the M1A is it. Now to find a Standard for a good price.
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Nothing against PTR or G3-type rifles (I used to own an HK91), but from these 2, I lean more toward M1A if money is no trouble. Why?
-Better ergos
-No BB to fumble or worry about.
-Better iron sights and arguably, more accurate.
-Slightly less recoil.
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Old 12-07-2012, 1:45 PM
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I just just talking with some shooters I had over last night for a BBQ that there has been a lot of M1a's changing hands recently. Keep your eye out.....and the m14froum.com alwahs has rifles in the PX for sale.

M1a is nice...but its semi....and a semi .308 is expensive to feed. I heard though that federal/american eagle stuff is good stuff.

Either way...my little Scout is by far my favorite shooter.
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I have a few 308 semi autos but don't have an M1A. I have a Garand so I don't see the value of an M1A. I prefer rifles that have some of the more modern designs that include pistol grips and an action that can be cleaned from the breach.

I had a PTR and sold it as the other 308s in my safe got taken out more. The triggers tend to be poor and the recoil seems to slap me in the face. But they are very reliable, have good sights, and are reasonably accurate.

I really like my FAL; I have two and am selling one so I can build another. They have great ergonomics, mild recoil, and okay sights but are not particularly accurate.

A DPMS pattern AR10 (yes, I know) has great ergonomics, great triggers available, easy scope mounting, and good accuracy at a price more reasonable than the state of the art rifles.
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You don't know what you're talking about.

There are no M14s for sale in US without NFA paperwork and they are very expensive. M14s are regarded to be MGs.

M1As are the semiauto version of the M14.
Well those that don not have knowledge suffer

LRB Walnut Stock M14 $2600 (semi auto)
(Forged Reciever not M1A Cast Crap, All Steel Internals Not M1A pot metal pos)

By the time you buy a M1A and change out then internals for steel forged parts you could have a LRB M14
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Or...Just get a Garand $625 from the CMP
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The only way to even get close to a non-NFA M-14 would be to get the Fulton armory receiver and hunt down the GI parts... Good luck with that one. The parts are probably worth more than a top grade M-1A
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That's easy - M1A.

Had a Scout in my hands today for the second time, and the same thing happened that happened the first time - brought the stock up to my shoulder, closed my left eye and, boom - sights lined up AUTOMATICALLY like the gun was made for ME!!
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One word.... M1A
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It is you that does not know what you are talking about. Springfield owns the copyright to "M1A". All other manufactures of this variant of rifle sell them as M14's. They are just not select fire, thats all.

If you want to go big, have this guy build you up a LRB M25 using USGI parts.

http://www.shop.m-14parts.com/Incomp...tial-Upper.htm

If you are on a budget, be patient and pick up a used Springfield Loaded. Its worth spending the couple extra bucks on the Loaded vs. Standard too. If patient, you can find a good deal on this website or over at M14 Forums.


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There are no M14s for sale in US without NFA paperwork and they are very expensive. M14s are regarded to be MGs.

M1As are the semiauto version of the M14.

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For a little more skip the M1A and just get a M14
Good advice.
My first was an M1A and it had problems right out of the box, I sold it and now own several super reliable M14s.
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Just my opinion. Different strokes for different folks. I like my PTR91. I don't like the souped up railed SOCOM M1As. weight is weird, but the shorter barreled scouts I DO like. It's on my wish list (with a SCAR). My buddy has a ?match? M1A and that's a nice gun, but....I dunno...feels too long for me (I'm a short guy). Featureless, the PTR91 IS awkward. And I HATE the BB on the PTR91. Optics wise though the PTR is NOT very hard to accessorize (MFI or B&T rails or claw mounts). Add a heavy buffer and a comp and the recoil is much nicer, and after a bill springfield trigger job, the trigger is much nicer, but at that point you just hit M1a pricing so.....try both. See what YOU like.
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I love my M1A.

Still havn't shot a G3 type rifle yet, but want to eventually I think they are awesome as well.
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If the question was "M1A versus an HK91 r.aw./free state" we might have some different opinions. I prefer the HK91 series; Williams trigger specialties does HK trigger jobs if you don't have PSG-1 trigger groups lying around.
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Just to be Chaotic, I have to suggest the FAL. Austrian STG58s are tack drivers.
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How do u go about getting an m14 for a little bit more than m1a legally in kommifornia? Please do share.........

The only m14 that I can buy here is the battery operated and compressed gas operated kind only that is of caliber .24

M1a FTW, ptrs will never be as well made, accurate, ergos as m1a.
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Damn are you guys to lazy to google...go to Fulton or LRB's websites
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Damn are you guys to lazy to google...go to Fulton or LRB's websites
Need more info on HOW to obtain m14 legally in kommi?

Link?
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Need more info on HOW to obtain m14 legally in kommi?

Link?
They aren't talking about real USGI M14s. They are talking about M14 pattern rifles made by other manufactures not including Springfield Armory.

LRB arms makes a semi-automatic rifle that it calls an M14S I believe. Other companies like Polytech and Norinco made semi-auto rifles called M14s, patterned after the real deal USGI M14.

Obviously we can't own USGI M14s here. What people are saying is to buy an M14 pattern rifle other than a Springfield M1A.
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