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Old 12-05-2012, 11:34 PM
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Lightbulb National CCW in the White House

So one of the good things that the Obama administration has done is create a website that allows petitions to be signed by people. If the petitions reach the eligibility cut off (date/signers), they actually go up for further review. Since there is not one active nor has there been one in the past that I could find, I have taken the liberty to create a petition for a national CCW permit. I am reaching out to everyone, and every organization I know to solicit signatures.


The white house does require one to make an account but don't worry, "no spam comes from the government". We need more signatures for it takes at least 150 to make the petition openly view able, please exercise your 1st amendment right. Even if you don't sign, please share on Facebook, Twitter, and other forms of information sharing devices and networks and share a bump or two on Calguns.

Here is the link https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...y-law/DSbxlQ48
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waste of time. the only thing that has come out of those petitions is the white house released their home made beer receipe.

Every other response is their canned propaganda policy statement
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Further review?

By who?

This is the definition of deaf ears.
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So one of the good things that the Obama administration has done is create a website that allows petitions to be signed by people.....
Saddam Hussein allowed people to vote against him in Iraq's "elections".

Of course if you voted against him his "campaign committee" would visit and put a bullet into your head , but you had the ability to honestly express a desire for regime change.
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Saddam Hussein allowed people to vote against him in Iraq's "elections".

Of course if you voted against him his "campaign committee" would visit and put a bullet into your head , but you had the ability to honestly express a desire for regime change.
I like to believe that there is a chance and this could be a stepping stone to get what we the people want. I honestly can't believe that everyone *****es about rights all day saying that our voice is not heard and in the age of information technology where this is the new way to get things done no one wants to even try to protect them or attempt to make a change because of some belief that nothing will change. Even if it doesn't happen it still will bring more light to the subject.
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I like to believe that there is a chance and this could be a stepping stone to get what we the people want. I honestly can't believe that everyone *****es about rights all day saying that our voice is not heard and in the age of information technology where this is the new way to get things done no one wants to even try to protect them or attempt to make a change because of some belief that nothing will change. Even if it doesn't happen it still will bring more light to the subject.
But it's been proven that those petitions get nothing done, and we already know that an anti 2a whitehouse isn't going to care.
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But it's been proven that those petitions get nothing done, and we already know that an anti 2a whitehouse isn't going to care.
This would be the same anti 2A White House that gave those of us with an CCW license the right to carry in Federal Parks. The same anti 2A White house that has not produced any new anti gun laws. The same anti 2A White House that got an F from the Brady group.
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....Even if it doesn't happen it still will bring more light to the subject.
Light to what subject, exactly?

National reciprocity is CULTURALLY UNACCEPTABLE to millions of Americans.

Lets assume for the sake of debate Obama champions nationwide CCW and signs a bill into law. Guess what, Chicago not going to lay down and say "oh well, guess we have to acknowledge the 2nd Amendment now". Baltimore's city government will not be teaching their officers about the Constitution, and Philadelphia PD won't turn over a new leaf as protectors of civil rights. All of these government entities will look at a national CCW law and say "That's nice. If you carry a gun into our city/state/territory you're going to jail anyway".

Then we get to play the Parker Brothers game called "The Judiciary", which uses more Chance cards then a shipping crate full of Monopoly games.

For people in no-carry areas, nothing is going to change. This petition and indeed the entire bill is doomed to failure; if national CCW was a priority it would already be in the debate stage right now. Unfortunately, we care more about symbolic taxation of the wealthy.
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I like to believe that there is a chance and this could be a stepping stone to get what we the people want. I honestly can't believe that everyone *****es about rights all day saying that our voice is not heard and in the age of information technology where this is the new way to get things done no one wants to even try to protect them or attempt to make a change because of some belief that nothing will change. Even if it doesn't happen it still will bring more light to the subject.
The White House position on CCW has already been made clear.

http://www.gunblast.com/ObamaQuotes.htm

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This would be the same anti 2A White House that gave those of us with an CCW license the right to carry in Federal Parks. The same anti 2A White house that has not produced any new anti gun laws. The same anti 2A White House that got an F from the Brady group.
I think you're confusing the whitehouse with congress, unless you're giving the whitehouse credit because they didn't veto the bill that the national park ccw line was added to, that was signed while the president still had to win himself another election. Of course I also hope you realize that the president signed a credit card company related bill that happened to have the national park CCW bit attached, and not that it was a CCW bill on it's own.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, if you consider that congress is the entity that attached the national park CCW portion to a completely unrelated bill that the president signed, it would make more sense to petition congress.
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I think you're confusing the whitehouse with congress, unless you're giving the whitehouse credit because they didn't veto the bill that the national park ccw line was added to, that was signed while the president still had to win himself another election. Of course I also hope you realize that the president signed a credit card company related bill that happened to have the national park CCW bit attached, and not that it was a CCW bill on it's own.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, if you consider that congress is the entity that attached the national park CCW portion to a completely unrelated bill that the president signed, it would make more sense to petition congress.
Stop using facts. It interferes with curley's idyllic myopia.
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Stop using facts. It interferes with curley's idyllic myopia.
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I just signed it, Now I am one of only 14 people and 24,986 more are still needed by Jan 5. Not too certain about this haha.
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A bit like asking Satan to review requests for ice water isn't it?
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A bit like asking Satan to review requests for ice water isn't it?
Pretty much. People seem to fail to realize that this is basically the whitehouse's version of putting a suggestion box directly on top of a paper shredder.
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I see you still like to insult people. Grow up.
No, that wasn't an insult. That was a commentary on your voluntary ignorance of the entirety of a situation and your complete refusal to accept the fact that politically Obama didn't have a choice but to sign the bill. I accept that there are caveats associated with a LOT of what goes on. That's what big boys wearing their big boy pants do.
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Count me in . . . . .
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No, that wasn't an insult. That was a commentary on your voluntary ignorance of the entirety of a situation and your complete refusal to accept the fact that politically Obama didn't have a choice but to sign the bill. I accept that there are caveats associated with a LOT of what goes on. That's what big boys wearing their big boy pants do.
Once again with the insults, real mature. Grow up.

He didn't have to sign anything. If he was so against guns, why would he sign 2 bills to allow more gun rights. Never mind, you'll come up with some excuse. Just like everyone has for all the gun bills signed by republicans in California.
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Once again with the insults, real mature. Grow up.

He didn't have to sign anything. If he was so against guns, why would he sign 2 bills to allow more gun rights. Never mind, you'll come up with some excuse. Just like everyone has for all the gun bills signed by republicans in California.
You seem to be rather emotional today.
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So what if this actually works? 1/1000000 is still a chance. Please spare the what if sarcastic remarks. I have helped with many petitions and supported multiple people asking for help on here that directly affects California because there was still a chance to make a change. What makes this different?
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So what if this actually works? 1/1000000 is still a chance. Please spare the what if sarcastic remarks. I have helped with many petitions and supported multiple people asking for help on here that directly affects California because there was still a chance to make a change. What makes this different?
That there is no chance. Getting the required number of signatures does not mean national CCW will be made into law. It means someone in the Obama Administration will look at the request, and give the same answer the left has been giving for decades. CCW is not a new issue. Gun rights is not a new issue. The people who pay attention to this stuff know that the left has a well-known position, and the right has a well-known position, and true 2A supporters have a well-known position. They don't need to be made aware. They are already aware of our complaints.
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That there is no chance. Getting the required number of signatures does not mean national CCW will be made into law. It means someone in the Obama Administration will look at the request, and give the same answer the left has been giving for decades. CCW is not a new issue. Gun rights is not a new issue. The people who pay attention to this stuff know that the left has a well-known position, and the right has a well-known position, and true 2A supporters have a well-known position. They don't need to be made aware. They are already aware of our complaints.
So I suppose all of these CA Propositions that I have supported have done nothing either. I know it would not be passed because if that were true the country would be in chaos. You are not telling me anything I do not know.

You know what, I support cancer research but maybe I should stop now because people are aware and the government is limiting funding.
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So I suppose all of these CA Propositions that I have supported have done nothing either. I know it would not be passed because if that were true the country would be in chaos. You are not telling me anything I do not know.

You know what, I support cancer research but maybe I should stop now because people are aware and the government is limiting funding.
Apples to oranges. If there was a proposed bill/proposition you wanted us to get behind, that would be different. These White House petitions are completely worthless. Their proposed function is to make the Administration aware of a civil position. They already know our position. We are past that step. Going back to petitions would be going backwards.
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Waste of time, and I think that the last thing we need is CCW at the national level. CCW permits should be handled like driving licenses...at the state level. What we need is a harder push for reciprocity of issued permits.

National CCW is the last thing that I want to see, but I happen to live in a good state as far as gun rights are concerned and and making CCW permits a national level thing will make things slightly better for people in states like CA, but much worse for the majority of us.

Focus on making things better in your state, not worse in mine...
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.... national level thing will make things slightly better for people in states like CA, but much worse for the majority of us.
+1. In point of fact National Reciprocity at the Federal level will change nothing for states like California. Concealed carry is illegal in right denied areas of the US, and it will stay that way no matter what law is passed at the Federal level. If nationwide carry becomes law, 24 hours later NYC and CA will call it an "affirmative defense";so even if you have a legal permit you'll be going downtown.
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You seem to be rather emotional today.
And you seem not to be able to give a response without some smart remark at the end. As I stated before, grow up.
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And you seem not to be able to give a response without some smart remark at the end. As I stated before, grow up.
Maybe instead of telling people to grow up, you should go read how bills are created and then passed via our legislature, as well as veto powers assigned to the executive branch, in addition to the content of the bill in question as well as publicly stated stances of the current president.
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Amen for both of you.
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And you seem not to be able to give a response without some smart remark at the end. As I stated before, grow up.
Where was smart remark in the last comment?
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Serious question, really.
Do you honestly think, if even for a moment, that our President will not go after our 2A rights? Take a look at the GunBlast link, just to name a few.
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:51 AM
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So one of the good things that the Obama administration has done is create a website that allows petitions to be signed by people. If the petitions reach the eligibility cut off (date/signers), they actually go up for further review. Since there is not one active nor has there been one in the past that I could find, I have taken the liberty to create a petition for a national CCW permit. I am reaching out to everyone, and every organization I know to solicit signatures.


The white house does require one to make an account but don't worry, "no spam comes from the government". We need more signatures for it takes at least 150 to make the petition openly view able, please exercise your 1st amendment right. Even if you don't sign, please share on Facebook, Twitter, and other forms of information sharing devices and networks and share a bump or two on Calguns.

Here is the link https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...y-law/DSbxlQ48
The title of this thread made me think the petition was for allowing CCW in the White House.
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:55 AM
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The title of this thread made me think the petition was for allowing CCW in the White House.
LOL. That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the thread title as well.

undercow16969 and Curley Red, I have a link to a USA Today poll you guys might be interested in... http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/.../popup5895.htm
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:07 PM
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Signiture #25! Shared on Facebook as well.
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