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Old 12-01-2012, 8:08 AM
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I have been re-loading 30-06 for my M1 Garand and was given a bunch of this brass. What is this stuff?
After breaking two pins I decided to cut one open, no wonder I broke the pins.
The head stamp is: 7.62 SF I 1-54.
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Old 12-01-2012, 8:13 AM
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it is 7.62 not 30-06, and it is a priming system that is generally considered to be not reloadable here in the U.S.
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Do some research, Google is your friend. It is possible to reload Berdan primed ammo, but it is a lot more work than Boxer and Berdan primers are more difficult to find in the U.S. And if that is 7.62, won't work in your Garand anyway.

There are a good sized group of people who are reloading GP11 Swiss because it is such high quality ammo and it is Berdan primed. I read some interesting articles on how to do it.
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30 Cal M2 (30-06) is also known as 7.62 X 63
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Looks to be French, and yes, it is .30-06.

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Nobody likes the French.....
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Specifically done if I'm correct so that the primers don't back out under automatic fire.
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There is lots of different size Berdan primers, there is no standard like small and large rifle as in Boxer primers.

Powder Valley and I think Wideners has 2 types of Tula Berdan primers, 7.62 Nato and 7.62x39. They are both the same diameter but the cups are different height. The x39 is shorter, they both fit GP11 cases but you can go to deep with the x39 and I am sure it would go off if you tried to seat it to fast. Not sure if they would fit those 30-06 cases.
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Throw them in your scrap brass bucket. Not worth the time or effort to reload.
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Specifically done if I'm correct so that the primers don't back out under automatic fire.
No. Primers are crimped in for this reason, but the Berdain primer predates the first semi- and full-automatic weapons by about 20 years.
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Have any of you actually ever reloaded Berdan primers? I just bought a case of GP11 for my new K31 and I am wondering if I should bother saving the brass for reloading? It is supposed to be such great brass, seems a shame to throw it away or sell it. But I have never even done regular reloading, doing the Berdan primered stuff seems like an interesting challenge.

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I have some of that same ammo and dated '52. I have had a couple of those rounds after being fired that there was a rip on the side of the shell casing about 1/2" long. Kind of scary. And it is 30-06.
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Have any of you actually ever reloaded Berdan primers? I just bought a case of GP11 for my new K31 and I am wondering if I should bother saving the brass for reloading? It is supposed to be such great brass, seems a shame to throw it away or sell it. But I have never even done regular reloading, doing the Berdan primered stuff seems like an interesting challenge.

Sorry for the threadjack OP.
I load it, its not that hard to deprime and bullets are easy to get. Same .308 bullet that 30-06 or 308 takes.

There have been people that have converted GP11 Berdan to Boxer primer, I have not tried it but plan to at some point.
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Thanks chknlyps2. Expect a PM from me sometime next year about how you do some aspects of it, once I get my reloading gear and bit of instruction.
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Thanks chknlyps2. Expect a PM from me sometime next year about how you do some aspects of it, once I get my reloading gear and bit of instruction.
No problem, any time.
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I have some of that same ammo and dated '52. I have had a couple of those rounds after being fired that there was a rip on the side of the shell casing about 1/2" long. Kind of scary. And it is 30-06.
I've seen this French .30 ball split all the way into the primer pocket and split the stock on an M1 rifle. Don't shoot it! Pull the bullet and powder and reload it into modern brass.
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WOW! That's not good! And I must be lucky because I did use it my Garand when I fired that ammo. I used only 16 rounds. When I found that split round I stopped. Good thing I did. I wonder if it would be bad to use it in a bolt action. What do you think?
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All berdan brass should be scrapped after firing. Inspect your brass after tumbling and discard berdan. Most is corrosive anyway. Waste of time.
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All berdan brass should be scrapped after firing. Inspect your brass after tumbling and discard berdan. Most is corrosive anyway. Waste of time.
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Why did you ask "what type of primer" when your photo is labeled berdan?

e--779 -- nonsense - no reason to scrap good brass if you are willing to jump through the hoops to reload it -
Also, being corrosive is immaterial to reloading it.

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All berdan brass should be scrapped after firing. Inspect your brass after tumbling and discard berdan. Most is corrosive anyway. Waste of time.
Even GP11? A lot of people feel it is one of the most precise, high quality and accurate milsurp rounds in the world. It's not cheap either, I want to try reloading it.
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WOW! That's not good! And I must be lucky because I did use it my Garand when I fired that ammo. I used only 16 rounds. When I found that split round I stopped. Good thing I did. I wonder if it would be bad to use it in a bolt action. What do you think?

I sure wouldn't. If it splits through the base of the casing there is going to be a significant gas release into the magazine box and you are probably looking at a split stock.
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Have any of you actually ever reloaded Berdan primers? I just bought a case of GP11 for my new K31 and I am wondering if I should bother saving the brass for reloading? It is supposed to be such great brass, seems a shame to throw it away or sell it. But I have never even done regular reloading, doing the Berdan primered stuff seems like an interesting challenge.

Sorry for the threadjack OP.
I decap with water pressure and seat Berdan primers. A bit more difficult, but I have lots of GP11 brass and hate to waste it.
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30 Cal M2 (30-06) is also known as 7.62 X 63
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Why did you ask "what type of primer" when your photo is labeled berdan?

e--779 -- nonsense - no reason to scrap good brass if you are willing to jump through the hoops to reload it -
Also, being corrosive is immaterial to reloading it.
I watched a video on youtube and it looked sort of like the berdan type but I did not see a functioning pin, and what does the pin do? I named it berdan because I had to call it something, I just thought it may be something like a berdan.
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All berdan brass should be scrapped after firing. Inspect your brass after tumbling and discard berdan. Most is corrosive anyway. Waste of time.
Corrosive Brass? What'll they think of next?
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I watched a video on youtube and it looked sort of like the berdan type but I did not see a functioning pin, and what does the pin do? I named it berdan because I had to call it something, I just thought it may be something like a berdan.
What I think you are asking about is called the "anvil". If you look at your cut out pic you can see half the primer in the primer pocket, the firing pin made a dimple in it and it made contact with the anvil in the pocket, thats what made the primer go off. The anvil is in the center of the primer pocket with a flash hole on each side.
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Not all that hard to reload Berdan primers.
Once the RCBS tools is adjusted to the right length, it's a breeze to de-prime.
And I look at reloading as a necessary evil.
Use an old Lee hand primer to re-prime
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Not all that hard to reload Berdan primers.
Once the RCBS tools is adjusted to the right length, it's a breeze to de-prime.
And I look at reloading as a necessary evil.
Use an old Lee hand primer to re-prime
Then you're doing it wrong!
Reloading gives me the opportunity to increase my personal time spent in "gun zen"
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