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Old 12-04-2012, 4:14 PM
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Hello fellow Calgunner collectors! This is my first Mosin so bare with me.

Just picked up my 1939 izhevsk 91/30, and I found a few things off that ya'll experts can school me on...

FYI cleaning the mosin was the most difficult cleaning I ever did! (I don't even think I got it all! Maybe 90-95%)

First off it is a 1939/50? So I'm assuming originally a 1939 receiver barrel with a 1950 refurbish date?


The '50 stamp is placed on numerous replaced parts.

The bolt, magazine, and rear handguard ring are stamp with the Tula star

The magazine plate was crossed out and re stamped with the correct numbers (forced matched)



The stock was in correct in my belief because I have a stepped rear tang and the stock looks like its for a 41' and younger round receiver

On the rear of the stock it seems like the cut and replaced the rear portion
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The front of a stock has a screw on the cap? Is this normal?

It seems like who ever refurbished this mosin spray painted all the caps (I think that's what it is called please correct me if I'm wrong) over the original blueing even the rear butt plate. I had to 0000 steel wool most of it out, and will continue next time.



Well at least the front hand guard ring, sight block spring, bottom of the receiver, and 3 pieces of the bolt have the Izhevsk mark


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The barrel I believe is in good condition, with no counter bore, strong rifling grooves and lands, but it has some pitting.



So I have a few questions...
After cleaning most of the cosmoline off when dry firing, it's hard to bring the bolt back up? Should I shave/grind the sides of the firing pin spring? (I've seen iraqveteran8888 do this on youtube) Or do you think it because of the replacement Tula bolt? (I disassembled the bolt completely free from cosmoline and lube it with rem oil) And with out dry firing it moves way more freely up, out and back.

Should I work with this stock and bed the receiver and free float the barrel or should I look for another stock?

Can anybody share with me the factory honey recipe for refinishing the stock?

Is there anybody willing to trade my rear Tula handguard ring and Tula magazine box for your izhevsk?

I appreciate your positive opinions! And I'm hoping you can help me. Thanks again u guys!
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Old 12-04-2012, 4:43 PM
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The Mosin bolt is a "cock on opening" design, so it is normal to require more effort to open the bolt after firing. If it bothers you, you can pull back on the cocking piece before opening the bolt, this will relieve the spring pressure on the bolt body and transfer it to the sear.

I would suggest shooting it before you try to bed anything, sand anything, refinish anything, or otherwise destroy anything. Enjoy it the way it is!!
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Old 12-04-2012, 4:46 PM
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You have a double dated MO rifle.

Its unusual, dont mess with it

Iraqvet is bubba
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Old 12-04-2012, 5:25 PM
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@vlad11 its kinda weird cuz' the bolt and the magazine box has a '50 mark next to the Tula cartouche.

@flyin brian okay, I hope I don't get a stuck bolt during seize fire, I seen a few mosins do that @ a range, and I tried to cycle a few rounds but only 2 of the 5 ejected properly?
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before messing with anything, take it out and shoot it, see what it does. things that behave oddly when trying them for function, sometimes behave differently after being actually fired. do that first and then decide what needs work. the fool thing may function perfectly and be deadly accurate. my counterbored m44 shoots dead nuts without any trickery, my 91/30 is going to require a little tweaking, but you just never know. take her for a ride and see man, congrats on your first mosin! as an aside, that bore may look a bit better after a shoot 'n' clean as well. i've had a few old rifles that no matter what i did the bore wasn't pretty enough for me, but after taking them out and shooting them, looked fantastic. kroil also does wonders. made my enfield jungle carbine actually have a nice shiny bore, very uncommon in damn near any enfield. good luck!

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Thanks nucklehead0202!

I actually used a heat gun towards the chambler and found a whole lot of cosmoline I missed @ the locking lugs! Luckily I found out! The cosmoline was gummed up @ the top of the locking lug on the right side preventing from bringing the action "up" because I had to force it thru the Cosmo. Now it moves great!

I ordered a spam can of those bulgy silvertips thru AIM and I hope my 91/30 likes em'

Can't wait till I break her in! Thanks again to all those who helped!
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I keep seeing that sideways diamond shape with a cross in it and a date next to it. I see it in electro pencil all the time. That rifle will fetch a 25% value premium over a mosin w/out the MO stamp. possibly more if we ever find out what it means.
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For having a stuck bolt can be frustrating. This method works really well.

http://surplusrifle.com/shooting2005...esbs/index.asp

And for the wood, Amber color shellac.
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You need to take that to the Gonzales (Swiss rifle club) Chabot, or Sac valley silhouette rifle matches
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you have a double dated MO stamped mosin nagant. put it away and do not bubba this good example. when cleaning it the screw on end cap can be screwed into the cleaning rod nut and used to grip and remove it to get cosmoline out of cleaning rod groove.
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Double and triple check that you have removed ALL of the cosmoline from the chamber. It is incredibly difficult to get it all (ask me how I know).

Did you strip and clean the cosmoline out of the bolt?
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If you want to bubba a rifle I will happily trade you a bone stock 91/30 + ammo for that one.

Serious offer actually
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I second that X2 91/30's with accessories.
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Well I found out there's one more Tula cartouche on the sight leaf


@backstrap I was reading about it earlier and supposedly it's a "guards gun" for the ministry of defense, but supposedly there was no ministry of defense in 50'?
So I'm assuming its like a "romy g"? Weird info maybe?

@JustinCase (i like ur user name) yup I did disassemble the bolt completely and removed all Cosmo.
It's wet with rem oil but maybe later I will heat treat it with EWL or Militec later on.

@C&Rtrader so don't touch this rifle? Not even refinishing the stock? I just wanna make her pretty. As for "bubba a rifle" I never do that to any of my rifles, all my rifles are all matching. I have all my AR's matching noveske, I have all my AK's correct wood with matching finish (some tung oil, some BLO, some shellac, and the rest just un touch'd furniture) I even blue my yugo's (which was a pain on my milled re-welds) the only 2 rifles of mine that I would considered bubba'd is my maadi's paint finish (because originally thier paint finish was like a spray can) or my khyber Pass (which is mixed with russian barrel and furniture on a 70' romy parts kit, but that's the way they were)

The reason why I wanted to bed and free float the handguards is because there's a lot of talk saying the MN 91/30 is not accurate and that it is over rated and I wanted mine to be as accurate as possible that's all. I didn't want it to seem as I was going to bubba' it. In fact I don't even have bubba marks on my 1911's neither do I bubba any of my demill's.

This is my first Bolt action, now it seems like I shouldn't even shoot it, just hide it the back some where. FML should I just find 41'-43' war era 91/30 to be my shooter?

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Not even refinishing the stock? I just wanna make her pretty. As for "bubba a rifle" I never do that to any of my rifles
We are just letting you know what you have, what you do with it is up to you.

If that is how it came out of the arsenal then its correct for that rifle. If you start to

swap parts to make it "matching" it will only become more mismatched, anyone who

knows Mosins will see that in the first second of looking it over.

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there's a lot of talk saying the MN 91/30 is not accurate and that it is over rated
Who says that? anyone saying that is ignorant. Your rifling looks good, shoot

the heck out of it. I bet it shoots better than you can with iron sights
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YOU HAVE TO SHOOT IT!!! It is why you bought it. Shooting it will not hurt anything. Take it out and enjoy it. I have many C&R at this point and some valuable ones. But none of them sit in the back and never get shot. Half the fun s shooting these great history rifles. Take it out and see what it can do you will be happy. Just clean it well when you get home, wipe it down with oil and put it back in the safe till the next time out! Accurate oh yes they are for sure. No need to do much to it to get a great shooting Mosin. My son has a 1927 Hex 91/30 and he can shoot clays on the bank at 400 yards offhand! He is 17 and can see good so that helps and we shoot a bunch 500 plus rounds a week. But the most fun is watching the other guys at the range in disgust when he shoots the clays with iron sights from a mosin while they sit there at the table with there fancy scopes and modern rifles and cannot hit the clays. Pretty cool!

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MO rifles are hard to find out in the wild. No refinishing, rebluing, etc...on this rifle please .

Swapping out the parts for the "correct" arsenal is pointless, it is a refurb, and refurbs received parts from any arsenal.

As for accuracy, a bone stock 91/30 with a decent bore shouldn't have much trouble hitting a clay bird at 100 yards.

IMO, 91/30s prefer pressure on specific points in the barrel vs. just being free floated.

Do you know how to clean the rifle after using corrosive ammo?
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I thought my stock was aresenal repaird also, but #24 here http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinFAQ.htm explains it.
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I thought my stock was aresenal repaird also, but #24 here http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinFAQ.htm explains it.
Forgot to mention that...

The stock most likely isn't repaired, it was probably spliced like that when it was made.
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@mosinnagant9130 cleaning the corrosive ammo, I believe it should be like my AK's, hot water w/ windex to kill the corrosiveness in a spray bottle, solvent on rotating Dewey bore brush, cotton patch dry, then bore snake.

To clean the chamber, should I buy a 20ga. brush?
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If you use anything on the stock use Tom's 1/3 Mix. I would just clean the current finish (not remove) and then rub the wax on. Should make it look nice, protect it and not reduce value or alter it. I have used this on my mosins with great results.
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Another vote for "shoot it" but "don't alter anything (including bedding)". A 91/50 with a M.O. stamp is not your average Mosin and shouldn't be mistreated like it's no different than 20 million others.
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If you use anything on the stock use Tom's 1/3 Mix. I would just clean the current finish (not remove) and then rub the wax on. Should make it look nice, protect it and not reduce value or alter it. I have used this on my mosins with great results.
You don't understand collectible rifles and their collectors if you believe that doing that won't affect value.
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I say shoot the hell out of it. I put 100rds through my '28 Tula triple stamped MO the first time I took it out. Shoulder hurt, but what the hell I bought it to shoot.
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I have 2 91/30s first one is a 1928 hex ex dragoon all matching this is my shooter I had to adjust the sights and I put a slip on limbsaver on it but that all. Next is my 1927 MO tripple dated ex dragoon all matching numbers and matching bayo! This one I cleaned up good took to the range fired 5 rds at 100yrds had a group of about 3 inches sights need to be drifted but I leave them alone took it home cleaned it and put her away. I have found that these rifles shoot better than I can and no need to fool with them just use them. I am a wimp so I use a slip on pad but thats about it.

Also I had I sticky bolt before, I did the old shotgun brush in the chamber soaked in cleaner and spun it around with my hand a few times, got out some cosmo and fixed the problem. remeber that stuff gets everwhere and u have to really clean it out good. Good luck and enjoy a beautiful gun!
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@mosinnagant9130 cleaning the corrosive ammo, I believe it should be like my AK's, hot water w/ windex to kill the corrosiveness in a spray bottle, solvent on rotating Dewey bore brush, cotton patch dry, then bore snake.

To clean the chamber, should I buy a 20ga. brush?
That would work. The windex isn't needed though, hot water works just as well to get rid of the corrosive salts. Although I suppose the smallish amount of ammonia in windex would help a little with copper fouling...
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I shoot mostly corrosive ammo out of my Mosins (except for the 28/76). After each session (and never waiting more than 12 hours), I take a funnel and pour boiling water down the barrel. This is what most C&R guys will tell you to do, and if you ever meet a WW2/Korean War vet, they will tell you that's how they got told to clean the barrel of their Garand/M1 carbines after shooting them. Then you clean it with Hoppe's (or whatever else you use) and lube it.

You have a nice double-dated Mosin there. Lots of us would jump on that kind of rifle if they could hand-select it. It's not going to make you rich, but it's always sought after.
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Thanks will do! I will break her in this Sunday @ linden!

Is it true the soldiers used to urinate in the chamber down the barrel to kill the corrosiveness during war? Lol
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Is it true the soldiers used to urinate in the chamber down the barrel to kill the corrosiveness during war? Lol
It's possible they were told to do that short of being able to boil water. Hey, it's war. I'm sure a lot of Mausers/Mosins/Garands/M1 carbines/Arisakas with some rust in the barrel still managed to be deadly to the enemy.
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I was asking about the diamond with cross in it.
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It's actually a square with an X - [X]. There is also a diamond shaped figure, a circle with an X, a square with a horizontal line, a square with a diagonal line, a plain square with nothing in the middle, and a figure that looks like 2 crossed T's that are also all believed to be some kind of refurb marking, although their exact meaning isn't known. On PU scopes, you also get Cyrillic letter markings on either side of the square like P[]M or P[X]M. Some people think that these letters represent a date marking, but again no proof of that, and if you have scopes with dated inspection paperwork the dates folks assign to the letters don't work.
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I am pretty sure the square with the slash ([/]) on the stock indicates that the rifle was refurbished post war.
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Dang Pard'ner,

At the last "Gun Show" in Casper they were selling for $130.00, but they weren't nearly as nice as yours.

In fact they were pretty nasty, so I passed. If I could find one like you got, I'd buy it.

Just from the looks of yours, you got a nice one.
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