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Old 12-03-2012, 6:36 PM
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Default Thank you J&G - My New CZ82

Made a trip out to see J&G Sales in Prescott today. Drive was beautiful, weather was perfect, 66 degrees and sunny. What a relaxing way to buy a gun. This CZ82 is my first C&R handgun purchase and my first C&R eastern bloc handgun. I am in love with my CZ75 SP-01 so I thought, "why not buy my guns distant cousin from the old country?" Great salesperson, fixed me up with the California compatible 10 round mags. Can't wait to shoot it.

This is my first 9x18 Makarov pistol. When I dry fired the gun with and without the magazine, it seems as if the hammer is not contacting the rear of the firing pin that protrudes from the slide? If I manually back the slide toward the hammer, it connects then. Of course, this is all dry firing, I am not at a range tonight. Does loading a full magazine and chambering a round actually move the slide back a few millimeters so that the hammer will hit the rear of the firing pin? Hopefully this gun works, it would be just about impossible to return.

I went through about half a dozen of these, this one had the best paint and the bore is immaculate. Oh, yeah, the polygonal rifling is a trip, it almost looks like a smoothbore but you can see marks where it spins the projectile. Please forgive the crappy iPhone pictures, no lighting here at the hotel and only my phone.





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Now you making me want to get in to my car and drive, drive to AZ.
nice gun and the holster did it came with the gun ?
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Instead of posters of girls I have ones of pretty guns like that
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Old 12-03-2012, 7:38 PM
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Yes, the holster came with the gun. Really, all of the Czech 82s they had looked to be in pretty good shape, no beaters. It looks like a fun little gun. Magazines are stinking expensive though. I should have shopped on-line but J&G had them so I bought two.

If I can carve out a few hours, I will have to go shoot this, work trip, this was my only free time, I used it all to drive out to Prescott.
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Nice to know that they're all in good condition. I'll feel better when ordering sight unseen and picking up at reno in January. Did you happen to get a glimpse of any of the nagant revolvers?

Also, you won't find any cheaper mags online aside from Allan Armory. He only has the 12 rounds, but he will disassemble them to ship to CA, I asked him a few days ago. I'm going to grab a few and block them. Still expensive compared to other mags though.
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When I dry fired the gun with and without the magazine, it seems as if the hammer is not contacting the rear of the firing pin that protrudes from the slide? If I manually back the slide toward the hammer, it connects then. Of course, this is all dry firing, I am not at a range tonight. Does loading a full magazine and chambering a round actually move the slide back a few millimeters so that the hammer will hit the rear of the firing pin? Hopefully this gun works, it would be just about impossible to return.
It does look like the hammer isn't striking the firing pin, but it does. You can test it by putting a pencil, eraser first, in the muzzle and dry fire it. The pencil should shoot out of the barrel.
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Didn't have a pencil here but tried a pen, it didn't shoot it out of the barrel but it did move it a little. Fingers crossed. Wish I had time to go buy some ammo and try it out but I am on a business trip and that may be difficult to find the time. Worse case, can I find a Czech 82 hammer from Numrich or someone and change it out?
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I was freaked out with the hammer also, but as Hifiguns said, it is hitting the pin. It's one of those cases where if you blink you might miss. I sure yours is fine.
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I am the paranoid type, I just ordered a new hammer from Numrich, $26.00. Couldn't hurt to have a spare anyway?
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Your Pistol is fine they all do that.
Cancel the order for the hammer and send me the 26$ for the tip i just gave you.
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You're going to like the CZ-82. It's really fun to shoot - snappy but not harsh. I find it points very nicely and is very accurate, especially for its compact size. You got a nice example; I'm a bit peeved to be honest that they dropped the price $30 about a month after I got mine, so they're an even bigger bargain now.

Mad-BMan: When I was there, all the Nagant revolvers that J&G had appeared to be refurbed to me and look nearly new, with the obvious exception that they're absolutely gooped in cosmoline. Same with the Romanian Tokarevs (minus the cosmo). They now have Yugo Tokarevs as well, which I'd like to get my hands on... may be time for another road trip soon!
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That's sweet Capy!!! I'm tempted to do Morrcarr's 2/ 03 FFL thing, I have family in Las Vegas! I wouldn't be going to AZ any time soon.
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Nice one. I mail ordered one from them and am very happy with it. It shoots really nice. You will like it.

BTW- My holster strap was tighter than all get out. Once I finally got it to snap, I stuck it in the safe for a few months to stretch. Works fine now.

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Just got one too. Cant wait to take it to the range. Holster is a trip!
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Old 12-04-2012, 9:41 PM
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I am thinking that these grips would look amazing on my CZ82. Opinions? Is that considered "Bubba"ing?" I mean, the gun was built in 1990, not really very C&R-ish.




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Those look very nice on the pistol in polished steel, but I don't know if they'd look as sharp on the painted black metal. They look like nice grips, but the stock plastic are really very functional and comfortable, so it would be purely an aesthetic change. Depends too how much the grips cost, considering it's a $200 pistol.

To get your pistol to look like the above, you'd need to blast off the finish and polish it in two different ways to get that matte look on the slide and the polished look on the frame, assuming that the above is even possible without some sort of plating or other finish...but if you go for it, post pics of the process and result!

By the way, if you really want to get into the CZ's guts, this website has very useful instructions: http://myweb.cableone.net/leolani/cz...sassembly.html

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I've been reading that wood grips will constantly crack on CZ82s, since the double stack mag makes the grips thinner. A few grip makers will replace for free though.

I suppose that strictly speaking, it is bubba. Although I guess most people don't care since it's pretty much the same gun as the commercial CZ83. Although do people care if others sand blasted an M9 or a P226?
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Old 12-05-2012, 6:32 AM
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I was just thinking of adding the grips to the black, it's just the demo picture that they have shows them on a Stainless looking CZ83, couldn't find one of them on a black CZ82. I will just hold off, the stock grips are totally functional if not a little ugly looking. No big deal.
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Don't worry about the hammer, that is the way they are.
I'm sure that you will enjoy the CZ much more than the Yugo M57.
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Looking forward to shooting it. Seems like a great gun for $200.00.
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Love my CZ, am actually buying a .380 ACP barrel to give some versatility to it. Might not get it now as I just got a ton of 9mm Makarov brass and about 300 sierra .365 95 gr makarov bullets, just need the dies now.
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Thought I would update this thread with an informal range report. Took my CZ82 to IVE for some shooting tonight. I brought along a box of 50 RWS 9x18 Mak ammo. Brass cased, boxer primered with 95 grain projectiles.

I put out a splatter target on the line at 10 yards. I am not a great handgun shot by any means but I have to say that this pistol put the shots exactly where I aimed them. I was shooting 3" groups at roughly 30 feet, which for me is very good. The gun was easy to shoot, felt good in my hand and was accurate. The CZ83 mags seem to only hold eight rounds of 9x18 Mak ammo, I had thought they would hold 9 or 10 but no big deal. Saved as much of my brass as I could get a hold of. All in all, a very impressive performance from a 22 year old $199.00 gun.

Highly recommended to anyone considering one, great value, fun gun.
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can't you just trim down 9mm cases? Of course that could get REAL confusing later....
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Just ordered one from Classic Firearms; about the only place I could find them now other than gunbroker. Can't wait to get it but since I'm doing it the FFL transfer way, I'm spending quite a bit more than you... Makes me want to take a trip to Vegas and visit some C&R stores out there and get some fun at the same time.

My plan is to detail strip the whole pistol, then send the external parts to blaster. Once blasted I'll probably parkerize it, then duracoat it.
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Thanks for sharing information. Actually I had also the same question in mind for a long

time anyways you started this thread & I am so happy.
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This was the first time I shot this caliber and I was curious so I picked up one of my 9x19 Mak empty brass and one of my friend's empty 9mm brass to compare them. It does look like you could just trim down 9mm brass to the size the 9x18 Mak uses, but I don't know for sure.

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Just ordered one from Classic Firearms; about the only place I could find them now other than gunbroker. Can't wait to get it but since I'm doing it the FFL transfer way, I'm spending quite a bit more than you... Makes me want to take a trip to Vegas and visit some C&R stores out there and get some fun at the same time.

My plan is to detail strip the whole pistol, then send the external parts to blaster. Once blasted I'll probably parkerize it, then duracoat it.
C&R Handguns don't become such a good deal when you have to go through an FFL. Some FFLs charge as much as $200.00 transfer fee. My dealer charges $55.00, but still, I paid $199.00.

If I didn't have my FFL03 and wasn't there buying to face to face, it would have roughly been:

CZ82 - $199.00
FedEx or UPS Shipping to FFL01 here - $25.00
California Sales Tax - $16.50
FFL Transfer Fee - $55.00
DROS - $25.00

Now it is up to $320.50, not nearly as nice of a deal. So if you look at it that way, you can see that the State of California is already making life really difficult and expensive for us collectors, costing us hundreds of dollars more and making it a huge PITA.
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couldn't agree with you more Capybara, this is why I debated whether I should spend $400 on my new CZ82, or save up a bit longer for a brand new modern pistol. I surely hope they don't start doing
this with rifles also or that will really make a C&R license useless here in California.

Regardless, I've been neglecting my two Makarovs for way too long, so thought I'd bring another in to renew my interest in them.

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YouTube videos showing exactly how to convert the 9x19 to 9x18, and it is not a simple trim because the makarov uses a .364-.365 bullet that is bigger than the 9x19. I'll be doing the same since I've got over a thousand pieces of 9mm brass and it'd be a shame to spend the extra to get makarov brass. Just check out the videos; very easy to follow and do given the right tools.
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If I had the money, I would get setup on reloading. The tools and a reloader are cheap, it's the primers, bullets and powder that are hard to find and expensive right now. I have been spending money on ammo instead.
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Wow, thats an awesome lil carry pistol. Very jealous... Not sure where i can travel to easily to pick one up.
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Just a side note to guys not far from Reno...Timbers Outdoors will do C&R transfers for pistols..whopping 5 bucks per gun and really nice guy. It makes it worth a drive to pick up a few...thats how do GunBroker buys or J&G, ect...

Just google and find his email..
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couldn't agree with you more Capybara, this is why I debated whether I should spend $400 on my new CZ82, or save up a bit longer for a brand new modern pistol. I surely hope they don't start doing
this with rifles also or that will really make a C&R license useless here in California.

Regardless, I've been neglecting my two Makarovs for way too long, so thought I'd bring another in to renew my interest in them.

By the way, there are several articles, and
YouTube videos showing exactly how to convert the 9x19 to 9x18, and it is not a simple trim because the makarov uses a .364-.365 bullet that is bigger than the 9x19. I'll be doing the same since I've got over a thousand pieces of 9mm brass and it'd be a shame to spend the extra to get makarov brass. Just check out the videos; very easy to follow and do given the right tools.
What else is involved? Changing bullets has nothing to do with the brass?
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The change in bullet size will require the resizing of the brass from 9mm to makarov. You will need to first run the 9mm brass through the makarov expander die to flare the case mouth quite a bit, then run the brass through the makarov sizing die to bring the rest of the case to be close to the makarov diameter, then you trim the case to the makarov length (9x19 to 9x18). After this is done you can go through the primer, powder, and bullet seating operations. because of the difference in bullet diameter, the resulting makarov round will bulge near the top of the finish round, but it'll be fine after shooting because then the brass case will be fireformed to makarov dimensions... This is assuming you can reclaim the cases which is usually the hardest part for me at indoor ranges...

The YouTube videos are quite good for following. Good luck.
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Dang it. Going to be in Az next month and was planning on stopping by J&G to get a cz82 and a Nagant. But no mas.

I was afraid the cz-82s would fall victim to the panic rush.
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That's too bad, they are really great little guns. I wouldn't pay $400.00 for one but at $199.00, they are an exceedingly good value, fun to shoot and the ammo isn't too expensive.
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