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Old 12-03-2012, 10:48 AM
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Default Side Charger-pistol & rifle

I'm going to be doing a couple 80% builds. A pistol and a rifle. For the pistol I was considering a side charging handle. However I don't see many on rifles.
For those with experience with side charging handles on both pistols & rifles what are the pro's and cons?
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:58 AM
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you mean a side-charger for an upper that can do rifle caliber *and* pistol caliber?

i've not seen any for pistol caliber. check addax for side-charger. they might be able to build you one that uses a pistol caliber (maybe).
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:59 AM
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Not both calibers, just a side charger instead of the traditional one.

My 2 80% builds will be a pistol and a rifle both in .223.
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Side chargers arent very popular because they typically move the charging handle to the "wrong" side of the firearm. Either requiring you to take your main hand off the trigger or reaching around the firearm with your off hand. Much the same issue that comes with th AK.

There are the left side charging uppers which make more sense from a manual of arms perspective but they also create another portal for debris to enter the action.

Neither of these would really be an issue if youre building a range toy and just want something different.

Talking about a typical right handed shooter here.
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:18 AM
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a few things to consider...

Left side, Right side, or Ambi?
Reciprocating or non-reciprocating handles?
Did you still want the option of a standard charging handle?
Are these your go to firearms?

Depending on your answers...
cons maybe you might have chosen a proprietary design which yeilds no failover unless you have spare parts of the same sitting around (ASA Side charger for example uses a notched carried to mate with the charging handle and is non reciprocating which does not provide a fwd assist.)

Some uppers can accept a standard charging handle as well (
Mega) while other do not (ASA, LAR).
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I'd want a left side f
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I'd want a left side for both I'd think.

What would go wrong with these over traditional? The lever breaking off?
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Neither of these would really be an issue if youre building a range toy and just want something different.[/QUOTE]

Range toy? Are you saying side-charging handle rifles are range toys?
This one is going to a 2 days course.
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I've often thought FN FALs have it exactly correct for the right handed shooter:

Non-reciprocating charge handle on the left, eject on the right.

I just wish the ASA AR uppers weren't so expensive.
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Side chargers make it easier if you have a scope.

I went with a Mega side charger on my 6.8 hog gun.

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Range toy? Are you saying side-charging handle rifles are range toys?
This one is going to a 2 days course.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. It appears the rifle you posted is a right side charger. This substantially changes the manual of arms for charging the rifle (for the worse IMO) as you must reach around with your off hand or use your main hand to charge the weapon (ala AK). This also means there is no dust cover for your ejection port.

For left charging AR's the manual of arms is improved for the better (however slightly) IMO but you're creating another portal for debris to enter the receiver.

Keep in mind carbine/rifle courses are little more than grown up play dates for their range toys for most people. I'm sure you're rifle will run fine in the course if its made from decent quality components, but that doesn't mean I would use it as a go to war rifle. You could run a budget DPSM through a course with little trouble as well but that's another rifle that I wouldn't consider more than a range toy or a rifle that could be to count your life on "in the stuff" so to speak.

But don't take "range toy" as some sort of insult, the vast vast majority of rifles and handguns people shoot are nothing more than range toys, even really expensive and "professional grade" one's are still mostly used in the "range toy" capacity. So if you like recreational shooting and like your side charger, more power to you.
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My LAR Grizzly "range toy" ( ) has been on a .223 barrel and is now currently on a 6.5 grendel barrel. It is something different but as far as the ergonomics I should have gone with a left side like my FAL. I think it looks pretty while it is shooting small groups though. The only issue I have had so far is misaligning the gas block and turning it into a single shot. Check the ASA version as the charging handle is non reciprocating and is on the left side.

http://www.americanspiritarms.com/up...thout-carrier/

http://www.largrizzly.com/web/guest/...per-assemblies

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I'd want a left side for both I'd think.

What would go wrong with these over traditional? The lever breaking off?
The ASA designed has too many parts imo. an extra sleeve to house the handle is thin, weak and seems like it could bend if your not careful with it off the upper and the blocking plate in the back is held with a weak pin that can bend if your not careful attaching the upper to the lower. But I still prefer it over the reciprocating handle on most others.
My buddy had his handle come loose and fly off while we were shooting
I think it was a mega but im not sure of the BCG he was using (the reciprocating ones all screw into the receiver anyways, right?)
So to prevent that I recommended some blue loc-tite and he said "but i have to remove the handle to take the carrier out and that would suck" His handle doesn't have a hole in it that you can stick a rod in for leverage like the Young carriers.

They have their vices which makes them a novelty on this platform, imo.

I guess regular handles could break too but those are cheap and easy to replace.

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I put a small o-ring around the threads on mine, it doesn't come loose anymore.
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a standard ar is a side charger...
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a standard ar is a side charger...
Thanks for the lesson. What does this have to do with anything? Why are you taking it there?

lol.
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Are these any different as fad as side charger than the ASA or mega?

http://www.jprifles.com/1.2.1_PSC_11.php
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The ASA I have is plenty durable for me.

The weak part is the pin holding the charging handle slot cover but unless you try to slam the upper down on to the lower with parts hanging out, you're not going to break anything that wouldn't break on a standard AR.

On an AR you don't use the charging handle very often and when you do, something else would have to be broken to put a lot of stress on the charging handle unless you tried to do a pogo with your foot or some other very stupid move.

In fact on a traditional AR, the charging handle could get bent when it is pulled all the way back and that would prevent the bolt carrier from moving forward. That type of malfunction would be harder to do with an ASA because it would be hard to create leverage on the little stumpy charging handle.

I think durability is a non-issue for the ASA.

A reciprocating type can lose the handle and deletes the dust cover. Fine for a range toy but probably not a sand storm.
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Side chargers make it easier if you have a scope.

I went with a Mega side charger on my 6.8 hog gun.

16" barrel and 15" Troy Rail?
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Yes sir, that's a 15" Alpha rail over a 16" Bison Armory barrel.
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I think I saw a sidecharger on youtube, lemme find the link. The guy had a suppressed .300 whisper or blackout ar and it was pretty nice.
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The JP can use both CH or the side charger and it's on the left side. Super expensive though.
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I shoot left handle so the side charger works for me. I don't have any issue with brass ejecting too close to my face or with debris going into the rifle. There are way too many individuals who use the term "go to war with..."
In what fantasies are these confrontations going on? Are you taking your personal firearm overseas? Whatever branch of military you pick from will have an issue with that. If the fantasy of going to "war" inside the US then you're going to use whatever you have at hand, or you're going to not use what you have because is not the proven brand the "experts" recommend? This is not an insult to anyone of starting a useless conflict.
My bottom line is you'll use whatever you may have at your disposal.
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