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Old 11-27-2012, 7:51 PM
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Jailed a Mosin Nagant 91/30 last week, trying to figure out what I want to do with the thing now. I have a Boyd's thumbhole stock on order, and a line on a deal for a Leupold Rifleman 3-9x50 Scope. Now I'm trying to figure out what I want to do as far as a scope mount, I'd rather not put any holes in my stock, and it looks like not all mounts are compatible with the Boyd's stock. I've seen the mounts that place the scope way up front, but those look awkward, and need a scope with long eye relief. I don't mind replacing the bolt to work with a mount if necessary. If anyone has any suggestions, they're much appreciated.
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Leave it stock... If you gotta have a scope buy an og sniper...
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IMHO the "best" mount is the Brass Stacker mount. No new holes, no bent bolt bar, and its compatible with your stock. And it allows for using the irons out to 100 yards too. But, like you said, it does require a long eye relief scope.

I suggest you reconsider. The Mosin lends itself to a scout type setup. The 'look' does take some getting used to, but after adding the Brass Stacker to my M44, and mounting a Leatherwood Hi-Lux on top, I really dig how it turned out.
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I took the rear sight off and underneath is a 3/8" dovetail. I bought a Long eye relief scope and a set of 3/8" scope rings. Im real happy with that setup and its solid unlike those chinsy mounts you can buy online. No need for a bent bolt either with this setup. Super easy, basic and solid.
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IMHO the "best" mount is the Brass Stacker mount. No new holes, no bent bolt bar, and its compatible with your stock. And it allows for using the irons out to 100 yards too. But, like you said, it does require a long eye relief scope.

I suggest you reconsider. The Mosin lends itself to a scout type setup. The 'look' does take some getting used to, but after adding the Brass Stacker to my M44, and mounting a Leatherwood Hi-Lux on top, I really dig how it turned out.
As far as a scope mount goes, I may have just found the best of both worlds.
This is a Jmeck Scope mount, reviews are great, I can still use my irons, compatible with both a scout and standard rifle setup, and no drilling or tapping required. Here's the site: http://www.jmeckscopemounts.com/
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Jailed a Mosin Nagant 91/30 last week, trying to figure out what I want to do with the thing now. I have a Boyd's thumbhole stock on order, and a line on a deal for a Leupold Rifleman 3-9x50 Scope. Now I'm trying to figure out what I want to do as far as a scope mount, I'd rather not put any holes in my stock, and it looks like not all mounts are compatible with the Boyd's stock. I've seen the mounts that place the scope way up front, but those look awkward, and need a scope with long eye relief. I don't mind replacing the bolt to work with a mount if necessary. If anyone has any suggestions, they're much appreciated.
So you've spent a lot on modifying an on-average 4-6MOA rifle before seeing how it will group? If it shoots like a soviet mosin with irons, it will still shoot like one with optics. Good luck.

The rifle you pictured is a Finn 28/76. Having a Finn Mosin will guarantee a good shooter whether with optics or irons. There are better scout mounts than the J meck. That mount will still require inletting the stock, and getting a bent bolt to work.

get one like this, if the rifle will group. If it doesnt, don't bother with the optics

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So you've spent a lot on modifying an on-average 4-6MOA rifle before seeing how it will group? If it shoots like a soviet mosin with irons, it will still shoot like one with optics. Good luck.

The rifle you pictured is a Finn 28/76. Having a Finn Mosin will guarantee a good shooter whether with optics or irons. There are better scout mounts than the J meck. That mount will still require inletting the stock, and getting a bent bolt to work.

get one like this, if the rifle will group. If it doesnt, don't bother with the optics
Oh no, no money spent yet, but i have all my stuff ready for checkout, assuming all is as planned. The reason I was leaning towards the Jmeck, was because it can be used as a scout mount or a standard rifle scope mount. Also, in regards to inletting, it doesn't seem to be necessary with the combo I was considering, at least according to this thread. http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mos...in-nagant.html
Your probably right about seeing the grouping before I even look at optics. We'll see how it is when I pick up this week and I'll go from there.
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Oh no, no money spent yet, but i have all my stuff ready for checkout, assuming all is as planned. The reason I was leaning towards the Jmeck, was because it can be used as a scout mount or a standard rifle scope mount. Also, in regards to inletting, it doesn't seem to be necessary with the combo I was considering, at least according to this thread. http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mos...in-nagant.html
Your probably right about seeing the grouping before I even look at optics. We'll see how it is when I pick up this week and I'll go from there.
Good thinking. That thread as far as inletting is about the bolt, not the J Meck. Maybe some of the guys here who have mounted one will pipe in. post pics of the project when you do it so we can enjoy it with you
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I put a Brass Stacker on one of my Mosins and I'm very happy with it. It was easy to install, makes no permanent alteration to the rifle, and it is a sturdy, solid mount made from quality material.

The only problem I have is the scope. I am finding it hard to justify paying 2 to 3 times the value of the rifle for a decent long eye-relief scope that will stand up to the recoil shock of the Mosin!
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I put a Brass Stacker on one of my Mosins and I'm very happy with it. It was easy to install, makes no permanent alteration to the rifle, and it is a sturdy, solid mount made from quality material.

The only problem I have is the scope. I am finding it hard to justify paying 2 to 3 times the value of the rifle for a decent long eye-relief scope that will stand up to the recoil shock of the Mosin!
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/c....aspx?a=613955

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I have the fixed 4X of this ^^^^ on the rifle I pictured above. I shot and hunted with it for more than 10 years now without a hiccup.

Got a link for the Brass Stacker?
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Good thinking. That thread as far as inletting is about the bolt, not the J Meck. Maybe some of the guys here who have mounted one will pipe in. post pics of the project when you do it so we can enjoy it with you
But this reply seems to confirm otherwise, that neither the bolt or mount required inletting the Boyd's stock. I'll make sure to post up the project assuming it groups ok. This setup is basically how I'd like my mosin:

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Heres a few pics of my Mosins with a bolt mod by Max Sheperd and the JMeck scope mount. A regular bolt will not work unless modified to fit unless you use a forward mount often referred to as a scout scope mount. The JMeck mount works well and I had 0 inletting to do on this stock as well as it bolts right into this stock with 0 mods, Its a Hex 91/30 and the others a rounder, Both are Izzys and both shoots groups of 2 1/3-3 inches at 100-200 yrds respectively(bad eyes). I highly recommend the Stocks, The Bolt Mods and the scope mounts that I use and will be posting pics in a few months of the Bull-Barrel I'm in the process of building as well. Keep an eye out in the crazy deals section at Boyds as the grey stock was only $50 and has a very minor blem, it that sanded right out after about an hours time,These are great rifles and I have less than $400 in the 2 rifle group
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Guys, were talking a $150 rifle, one of 60+ million that may appreciate $25 in the next 5-8 years unless another million come into the U.S. this year. So, dont get all emotionable about a rifle marked with 60 million different armorers, arsenal, refurbish center, countryArmy/navy//unit/transfer stampings and markings that you are told to believe are significant so that you can believe your individual rifle is "SPECIAL".

SOOOO, Put it in the safe and watch inflation eat away at your $25 or D & T the reciever and mount a decent solid scope mount and bolt handle and enjoy your rifle, shoot it out to 800 yards and be amazed how accurate it is against $2000 dollar Remingtons and custom tactical rifles if you handload properly.

Yes, you can buy a original sniper and be the talk of the town at the local 100 yard match or 50 yard line but bring some paper towels for the onlookers who are drooling, sooner or later you will run out of paper towels or droolers. Or, you can acually learn how to use/shoot one and again be be amazed how accurate it is against $2000 dollar Remingtons and custom tactical rifles if you handload properly.

You can also build/buy a replica sniper for $500-600 made with much better mounts and modern optics (I said MODERN OPTICS) that will perform better and not devalue your "Ouu Oah" 100 yard original sniper rifle safe/bling Queen.

Personally the best bang for the buck is the ATI mount and swept back bolt handle once you get over you emotional hysterical collectable conditioned state of mind. Only recomendation I have for the ATI bolt handle is to tighten up fit around original bolt handle stub and add a second screw (10-32 FL St. Stl. allen head) located on bolt handle root center for a rock solid handle, mount a MODERN 3x9x or 10X Bushnell tactical mil dot ($250) or higher power scope and you have a true modern rifle that is the best of both worlds, historical and tactical.

You can also buy a repro and mount one of these scope mounts and add a modern scope yet retain the hystercal collectability of your original sniper but also bring paper towels along.

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Guys, were talking a $150 rifle, one of 60+ million that may appreciate $25 in the next 5-8 years unless another million come into the U.S. this year. So, dont get all emotionable about a rifle marked with 60 million different armorers, arsenal, refurbish center, countryArmy/navy//unit/transfer stampings and markings that you are told to believe are significant so that you can believe your individual rifle is "SPECIAL".

SOOOO, Put it in the safe and watch inflation eat away at your $25 or D & T the reciever and mount a decent solid scope mount and bolt handle and enjoy your rifle, shoot it out to 800 yards and be amazed how accurate it is against $2000 dollar Remingtons and custom tactical rifles if you handload properly.

Yes, you can buy a original sniper and be the talk of the town at the local 100 yard match or 50 yard line but bring some paper towels for the onlookers who are drooling, sooner or later you will run out of paper towels or droolers. Or, you can acually learn how to use/shoot one and again be be amazed how accurate it is against $2000 dollar Remingtons and custom tactical rifles if you handload properly.

You can also build/buy a replica sniper for $500-600 made with much better mounts and modern optics (I said MODERN OPTICS) that will perform better and not devalue your "Ouu Oah" 100 yard original sniper rifle safe/bling Queen.

Personally the best bang for the buck is the ATI mount and swept back bolt handle once you get over you emotional hysterical collectable conditioned state of mind. Only recomendation I have for the ATI bolt handle is to tighten up fit around original bolt handle stub and add a second screw (10-32 FL St. Stl. allen head) located on bolt handle root center for a rock solid handle, mount a MODERN 3x9x or 10X Bushnell tactical mil dot ($250) or higher power scope and you have a true modern rifle that is the best of both worlds, historical and tactical.

You can also buy a repro and mount one of these scope mounts and add a modern scope yet retain the hystercal collectability of your original sniper but also bring paper towels along.

Come on.... tell us how you really feel!
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^^^^ Yea. He regulary confuses soviet Mosins in his rants with ones that actually ARE rare and or uncommon. I have a safe full of Finns that have appreciated 300-800% in value since I bought them. The carbines about 500%

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Yes! Rare as one in 60+ million if you can find/convince another hysterical collector to sell it to at your conditioned/emotional price, we all know how hard that is!

And thats why they "sit in the safe or full room".

So, Get off the 50/100 yard line, let the droolers buy their own tissues, and take them out and shoot them at the 200-800 yard line, your only losing $25-$50 in "Collectable value.
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still confusing "Soviet" 91/30's with the rest. And I get off on schooling club members with "tacticool" AR's @ 600yds with my Finns
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^^^^ Yea. He regulary confuses soviet Mosins in his rants with ones that actually ARE rare and or uncommon. I have a safe full of Finns that have appreciated 300-800% in value since I bought them. The carbines about 500%
Well, I hate them too. But this is America and you can like what you want. The last two I had I gave away (1 Finn and 1 Izzy). But they do shoot when properly set up.

Ol' 6 has probably missed his meds for a few days, or he's bored. But he does know Mosins.

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Heck I use a mount for a bb gun on my mossy. 500Rds later, it still works. Well before I tried to tighten it so tight I snapped the bolt off
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Well, I hate them too. But this is America and you can like what you want. The last two I had I gave away (1 Finn and 1 Izzy). But they do shoot when properly set up.

Ol' 6 has probably missed his meds for a few days, or he's bored. But he does know Mosins.
Yea. I'm an old Vet. He's a REALLY old Vet. Pretty pointless for people like us to argue any point, LOL!
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Not arguing, trying to be realistic and get more shooters out to the range and stimulate competition, help them to appreciate/shoot these old dogs within their budgets.

Us old timers wil be dying off soon and there is not much time to makeup and get these youngsters appreciating and shooting these rifles, we have to hurry and build up a political/nationalistic gun rights base to fight the gun grabbers, their will be plenty of collectables at competitive/reduced price around later after we do this or we wont have any to own/sell.
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Where is that mount from?
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I make them, PM if interested.
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Brass Stacker link (can be bought from Amazon too): http://brassstacker.com/Mosin-Nagant...ope-Mount.html

As for low(ish) cost LER scopes, I've had great luck with this one: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/761...-reticle-matte

6mm... you are the expert here, and I don't mean to step on any toes, but arguments like yours drive me nuts. Monetary value matters to some folks, and not even a little bit to others. What a gun may be worth in the collector's market says nothing about how those not concerned with such things may, or may not enjoy, their rifle.

It doesn't matter how much its worth. It doesn't matter how much its going to appreciate. Maybe the OP doesn't want to drill into it because that's not the way it came? That should be reason enough in my book. Values need not even enter the discussion.

I know what you were saying, and I get your point. I just think there are better ways to make it.
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I've used both the Brass Stacker and UTG/Leapers 1-piece mounts. Both worked fine with an LER scope. My only complaint would be that there's not a large selection of LER scopes in general.

I have had no problems using a scout scope setup though and I actually prefer the long eye relief.

Now that I know how my MN's are shooting, I am removing the scopes and trying some Mojo sights.

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My Soviet carbines have already doubled/tripled in value since I bought my last one just over a year ago (and the 91/30s have gone up too, especially rare ones). $25 appreciation over the next 5-8 years is pure BS, look at what carbines have done in the last two years alone.
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Ok, I'll admit I've gotten a little lost here. First off, is there any objections to this setup I previously posted. This would seem to satisfy both the shooter and collector parties. No permanent modifications, but it should make it a perfectly capable long distance gun, with a mount that seems like it will work just as well as a D&T mount.

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Guys, were talking a $150 rifle, one of 60+ million that may appreciate $25 in the next 5-8 years unless another million come into the U.S. this year. So, dont get all emotionable about a rifle marked with 60 million different armorers, arsenal, refurbish center, countryArmy/navy//unit/transfer stampings and markings that you are told to believe are significant so that you can believe your individual rifle is "SPECIAL".

SOOOO, Put it in the safe and watch inflation eat away at your $25 or D & T the reciever and mount a decent solid scope mount and bolt handle and enjoy your rifle, shoot it out to 800 yards and be amazed how accurate it is against $2000 dollar Remingtons and custom tactical rifles if you handload properly.

Yes, you can buy a original sniper and be the talk of the town at the local 100 yard match or 50 yard line but bring some paper towels for the onlookers who are drooling, sooner or later you will run out of paper towels or droolers. Or, you can acually learn how to use/shoot one and again be be amazed how accurate it is against $2000 dollar Remingtons and custom tactical rifles if you handload properly.

You can also build/buy a replica sniper for $500-600 made with much better mounts and modern optics (I said MODERN OPTICS) that will perform better and not devalue your "Ouu Oah" 100 yard original sniper rifle safe/bling Queen.

Personally the best bang for the buck is the ATI mount and swept back bolt handle once you get over you emotional hysterical collectable conditioned state of mind. Only recomendation I have for the ATI bolt handle is to tighten up fit around original bolt handle stub and add a second screw (10-32 FL St. Stl. allen head) located on bolt handle root center for a rock solid handle, mount a MODERN 3x9x or 10X Bushnell tactical mil dot ($250) or higher power scope and you have a true modern rifle that is the best of both worlds, historical and tactical.

You can also buy a repro and mount one of these scope mounts and add a modern scope yet retain the hystercal collectability of your original sniper but also bring paper towels along.
I'm not particularly attached to my Mosin, and I know that there were however many million made, and that it's highly unlikely that at any point in the future I'll look back and say "Wow, I threw away a fortune when I drilled and tapped that scope mount," but it would be my preference to use a mount that didn't permanently alter the gun. If a mount like the ATI is the best way to go, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, but it seems like there are other options out there that will have the same functionality, at a similar price, without any permanent modifications, see the above post...
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Maybe I'm just lucky, but I have the fixed 4X of this ^^^^ on the rifle I pictured above. I shot and hunted with it for more than 10 years now without a hiccup.

Got a link for the Brass Stacker?
Someone posted a link for the Brass Stacker, above. I'll say that it is a little heavy, but it is solid.

I had the same NCStar scope. Guess I'm unlucky, because the recoil shock shook that scope apart after about 30 rounds. I've been looking at a Simmons model that claims it is tested to 1000 rounds on a 12-gauge shotgun...$130. That's still pretty cheap for a scope, so I may put it on my Xmas list.

Anyone try out the Simmons Pro Hunter 2-6x32 LER scope on a high-recoil weapon?
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jake, I don't know if it will help but here's my M44 build:





That's the Brass Stacker mount, moved rearward and cut down. That puts the HiLux exactly where I like it. The rear pad is a limbsaver, the cheek rest is a Fulton Armory, the bent handle is the original bolt cut and welded, and the pull ring is welded on as well.

Some might say I bubba'd it. I say its become my favorite rifle to shoot. And I own or have access to rifles 10-20x the cost of this one.

On and as for accuracy? I guess I got lucky. This is a 2MOA gun with milsurp ammo.

Hope that helps give you some thoughts or confirm for ya your on the right track with your ideas!
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jake, I don't know if it will help but here's my M44 build:





That's the Brass Stacker mount, moved rearward and cut down. That puts the HiLux exactly where I like it. The rear pad is a limbsaver, the cheek rest is a Fulton Armory, the bent handle is the original bolt cut and welded, and the pull ring is welded on as well.

Some might say I bubba'd it. I say its become my favorite rifle to shoot. And I own or have access to rifles 10-20x the cost of this one.

On and as for accuracy? I guess I got lucky. This is a 2MOA gun with milsurp ammo.

Hope that helps give you some thoughts or confirm for ya your on the right track with your ideas!
I like where your rifles at, about what I want to do. I wouldn't say it was bubba'd at all. Glad to hear that you like it, and that its shooting better than 6 MOA or whatever the other guy said. That brasstack is very similar to the Jmeck, the only thing the Jmeck has going for it is that I can use standard eye relief scopes.
This guy (who I think is a member here?) Gave a good 2 year update on his mosin and Jmeck mount/scope.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:06 AM
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I got a recommendation for this scope mount for my mosin. Heard many good things from the buyers. only down side is that you need a bend down bolt.

http://advancedrifleparts.com/
http://advancedrifleparts.com/installation.html

No drilling or tapping required. Just replaces the rear sight.
This is something similar to Jmecks scope mounts too I guess. pricing is pretty good I say
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