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Old 11-22-2012, 2:04 PM
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Default Looking for best all around powder for 223 and 308

Saturday is the local gun show, I plan on going to buy a jug of powder that will cover both 223 and 308. I like the spherical powder.. like 748 because it dispenses well. I shot varget for a while but its a pain through my rcbs dispenser. I read that imr 8208 is the best all around but it's extruded like varget.. Hey what about h-BL-C(2) some input pls..thx john

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Hodgdon Varget...
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Hodgdon Varget...
Seconded. Perhaps the most versatile powder out there.

But if you want a spherical powder... Benchmark might do what you want. I know it works well in .308 and it measures well. It is an extruded powder but it is very fine.

Alternatively, CFE223 likely has .308 recipes. It wouldn't group for me in .223, but that doesn't mean it won't.
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H335, or rl-15
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For those 2 calibers, I would still recommend Varget.
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For those 2 calibers, I would still recommend Varget.
Yeah, but he doesn't like extruded powders. I think Varget is the cat's pajamas myself, but...
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I'm looking for 1 powder for both, how about H-BL-C (2) it's billed as a good powder for both..thx john
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Varget, RL-15, Ramshot Tactical
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IMR 4895 or H4895 is a great all around accurate rifle powder.
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Ramshot Big Game. Varget is the best. BC2 is dirty...but shoots well.
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I use BL-C2 and 26g with 55g FMJ BT shoots about 2850fps out of a 16" barrel... I also have shot 28g with the same bullet for 3000fps average with 16" rig.

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I have had good luck with TAC in both .223 and .308...But for wringing a bit more accuracy I use Varget....
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Accurate 2520 like both cartridges. Tiny ball that meters with ease.
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BLC-2 for me, for 5.56. Not reloading for .308 at this time, but I should be.
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H4895 Varget and 748win
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^ same as above

1st - Varget
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Everyone has their favorites. For me, I like powder that meters easily. For .223 and .308 these days, I like W748.
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WW748 for both.
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Saturday is the local gun show, I plan on going to buy a jug of powder that will cover both 223 and 308. I like the spherical powder.. like 748 because it dispenses well. I shot varget for a while but its a pain through my rcbs dispenser. I read that imr 8208 is the best all around but it's extruded like varget.. Hey what about h-BL-C(2) some input pls..thx john
Are you loading for a bolt gun or a gas gun? My response relates to a gas gun while my reloading set-up is non-progressive.

8208XBR is extruded but shorter, easier to meter/throw a charge.

Varget is a bit longer. Reloder 15 is another good powder.

What has helped me is the Omega trickler used with the RCBS 1010 scale. That has certainly sped up the cartridge charging process.

Have you thought about the RCBS Chargemaster? With that, I think you don't have to worry about the PITA charging process associated with the extruded powders. The chargemaster is my next purchase for 2013!!
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Another vote for H-335. It will even serve well for 30.06 loads.
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Saturday is the local gun show, I plan on going to buy a jug of powder that will cover both 223 and 308. I like the spherical powder.. like 748 because it dispenses well. I shot varget for a while but its a pain through my rcbs dispenser. I read that imr 8208 is the best all around but it's extruded like varget.. Hey what about h-BL-C(2) some input pls..thx john
While 8208 XBR is extruded, It's much smaller grained than Varget. I also use a RCBS powder hopper and it dispenses 8208 nearly as well as the ball powders.

I've already gone through about 2-1/2 # of 8208 in the .223 Rem. and the 308. It works well in nearly all of the .223 bullet weights and it works well up to the 175 bullet weights in 308 Win. It's also an ADI (Australian Defense Industries) powder that is less temperature sensitive than the ball powders.

You should give it a try.
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+1, on my 40th pound of 8208, great results. Burns a lot cleaner than BLC-2, temperature stable and performs very well in barrels 20" and under. Another plus, it smells awesome.
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+2 on 8208. It worked well enough for me. Easy to measure.


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H4895 for both. I use 43grs with 150-168gr .308 and 25grs for 55gr .223 fmj
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+1 for Ramshot Tac
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TAC has worked well for me in both.
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I've asked the same question numerous times and have been told W748 or Tac, unless I want to deal with Varget....
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8208 works great! And it looks like varget just smaller.
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You guys can keep all the $xpensive Gucci powders......

I use pulled military at $90/8Lbs, spherical powder that loads great, weighs great and shoots great from both 223/308. I set the charge weight at 25.5grs (223) and it throws 25.5 every time on a d-650.

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Varget meters fine...just make sure to have consistent practices on the powder measure. IE: settle the powder the same, pull the hand the same speed, etc.

I dump powder in my service rifle reloads I shoot on the 200 yard reduced course. I can clean the target with these reloads and a dumped charge of Varget. Any dropped points are all me.
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Varget meters fine...just make sure to have consistent practices on the powder measure. IE: settle the powder the same, pull the hand the same speed, etc.

I dump powder in my service rifle reloads I shoot on the 200 yard reduced course. I can clean the target with these reloads and a dumped charge of Varget. Any dropped points are all me.
How do you keep from cutting sticks of powder?
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I found the same problem with Varget on a Dillion 650 that problemchild mentions, there was fairly large range in the actual charge weight. Around plus or minus 1 to 1.5 grains, wasn't too impressed.
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Varget, meter short and trickle or use a Chargemaster; would not throw those charges at the pressures I run, an extra 1.5 grains would bend stuff.
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H-335 is not for 30-06, its best for 223
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