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Old 11-13-2012, 6:07 PM
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Im interested in picking up a FAL. What should I look for, or better yet what should I watch out for? Looking for a complete rifle already built.
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Old 11-13-2012, 6:16 PM
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If you can find (afford) an orig factory FN or a factory Argie or a factory Brazilian rifle---you are go to go---notice the word "factory" as in built in one of these three factories---NOT a Frankenstein parts guns---yeah, there are well-made kit guns, but there are plenty of awful parts guns out there too. Spend a bit more---get the good stuff!
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Old 11-13-2012, 6:19 PM
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DSA has good FALs
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DSA are the only ones that use in house and nos parts for thier rifles.
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Old 11-13-2012, 7:29 PM
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Check this
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Inch kits are often not very good.

Avoid Century.

Entreprise can be good, can be bad.

Springfield SAR4800 are usually Imbel made guns although I've heard of them made with Izzy heavy barrel parts kits.

DSA makes nice receivers.

ORF looks pretty nice but I haven't built on one.

Imbels are good receivers.

One place made aluminum receivers, very bad idea.

My Argentine is very nice.

Belgian is cool but banned in Ca I think.

If you want quality, DSA is a good bet. A SAR4800 might be less expensive and good quality. It's hard to recommend anything else without inspecting the gun.

If you want a factory rifle with warranty, DSA has sold lots of bare receivers so make sure you actually get a factory gun (if that is important to you).
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Old 11-14-2012, 3:51 AM
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I have a Steyr kit on an Imbel receiver built by Pacific Armament in Modesto, I bought it about 15 years ago, and it is now a Ca. Registered Assault weapon. Metric is the way to go, and Imbel and DSA make the best receivers. I believe ORF is out of the picture now. The FAL is a very robust and dependable firearm, but not extremely accurate.
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Good resource on anything FAL related.

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Inch kits are often not very good.

Avoid Century.

Entreprise can be good, can be bad.

Springfield SAR4800 are usually Imbel made guns although I've heard of them made with Izzy heavy barrel parts kits.

DSA makes nice receivers.

ORF looks pretty nice but I haven't built on one.

Imbels are good receivers.

One place made aluminum receivers, very bad idea.

My Argentine is very nice.

Belgian is cool but banned in Ca I think.

If you want quality, DSA is a good bet. A SAR4800 might be less expensive and good quality. It's hard to recommend anything else without inspecting the gun.

If you want a factory rifle with warranty, DSA has sold lots of bare receivers so make sure you actually get a factory gun (if that is important to you).
Good information.

Also, if you want a new good priced receiver other than DSA and Imbel, there's Coonan inc (http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,7). They are cast, but they come highly reviewed by Gunplumber in AZ.

Sorry, you wanted a full rifle built. Well, you'd have to look at the Marketplace or Firearms For Sale section. Otherwise, the best options for a BNIB FAL rifle are to buy a DSA (Atlantic Arms can ship to your FFL. If you're in the LA area, PD&G in SFV can get you a completely built FAL).

Good luck in your purchase.

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DSA are the only ones that use in house and nos parts for thier rifles.
From what I gather, the receivers with DSA prefix are made in-house. Those with 'DS' prefix were made by LMT, I don't know they are still made by them.
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Old 11-14-2012, 7:24 AM
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If you can find (afford) an orig factory FN or a factory Argie or a factory Brazilian rifle---you are go to go---notice the word "factory" as in built in one of these three factories---NOT a Frankenstein parts guns---yeah, there are well-made kit guns, but there are plenty of awful parts guns out there too. Spend a bit more---get the good stuff!
I might want to verify that the FN-FAL is not listed by name as a so-called CA "assault" rifle.

Zero wrong with a FrankenFAL...I've built 20 or so and all run well. Obviously, resale will be lower than a DSA or FN gun, but so is the cost to build. thedrickel here can build you one.

Receiver-wise I'd rate Imbel, DSA, Coonan in that order. I would avoid Entreprise...some run, some wont. As one person posted on the FAL Files, getting one fixed is easy as long as you make a lot of noise and refuse to leave until they fix it. Check their lack of enthusiasm on their vendor forum here.

The FAL Files is where you need to be

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Steyr makes one of the best surplus parts kits out there. If you find a matching steyr on a DSA or imbel receiver you should be set. Imbel makes a decent parts kit so don't shy away from an imbel kit built on an imbel or dsa receiver too. I would sway you to avoid a complete DSA FAL. DSA is great for their receivers, 922r parts or accessories, folding stocks, railed top covers and whatnot but their barrels, bolts, HST parts are not considered better than surplus. Basically any of the mechanical parts other than the receiver are poor quality... and never in stock if you had to get a replacement. I have a 16 inch para that I put together with all dsa parts other than the imbel bolt. I waited 9 months for a bolt and I kept getting the 2 weeks it will be in stock from them... DSA's customer service is severely lacking too. They have since dropped off fal files a couple years ago which should be their home court advantage... Join falfiles. There is a wealth of specific fal knowledge there and their marketplace has a lot of good stuff.
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I have a Steyr kit on an Imbel receiver built by Pacific Armament in Modesto, I bought it about 15 years ago, and it is now a Ca. Registered Assault weapon. Metric is the way to go, and Imbel and DSA make the best receivers. I believe ORF is out of the picture now. The FAL is a very robust and dependable firearm, but not extremely accurate.
IIRC Pacific Armament never built FALs, but only imported receivers from Imbel of Brazil (under FN contract). Also I believe they where imported @ 2001 (check your receiver for engraving) so it was after the RAW registration which makes them an OLL.
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IIRC Pacific Armament never built FALs, but only imported receivers from Imbel of Brazil (under FN contract). Also I believe they where imported @ 2001 (check your receiver for engraving) so it was after the RAW registration which makes them an OLL.
I registered it as a RAW because of the pistol grip. The receiver is engraved PAC, Modesto, Ca. The barrel had no muzzle device, so, since I had to register it, I threaded it and added a flash hider.
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I registered it as a RAW because of the pistol grip. The receiver is engraved PAC, Modesto, Ca. The barrel had no muzzle device, so, since I had to register it, I threaded it and added a flash hider.
I believe there may be a connection between PAC and The Dealer's Warehouse in Modesto. I purchased a few from Rav there when they were $179.99.

No comment on registration.

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Im interested in picking up a FAL. What should I look for, or better yet what should I watch out for? Looking for a complete rifle already built.
Hey where do you live.?I have several FAl's buillt up over the years.I could let you try them out.
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I believe there may be a connection between PAC and The Dealer's Warehouse in Modesto. I purchased a few from Rav there when they were $179.99.

No comment on registration.

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IIRC in Shot Gun News they where 79.99 -89.99 direct from The Dealers Warehouse depending on type II or III upper. "Ahhh the good ole days"
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IIRC in Shot Gun News they where 79.99 -89.99 direct from The Dealers Warehouse depending on type II or III upper. "Ahhh the good ole days"
Munny$hot, I'll see that and raise you an unissued Argentine PARA kit for 369.99. Got if from Century around Christmas of 2003. Dropped it onto the Imbel GL receiver from Rav. Still my favorite FAL and a super handy truck carbine.

Those indeed were good days.

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Munny$hot, I'll see that and raise you an unissued Argentine PARA kit for 369.99. Got if from Century around Christmas of 2003. Dropped it onto the Imbel GL receiver from Rav. Still my favorite FAL and a super handy truck carbine.

Those indeed were good days.

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Hanko, since we're dusting off the cobwebs how bout STG-58 kits for a good condition 89.00 to very good 109.00 for a complete kit. A complete bag of AK parts kit for 69.00, A SKS including 500 rounds for 99.00, A Poly Tech AK47 for 299.00 A Galil in 5.56, Styer AUG, HK 91, L85A1 BullPup, Colt AR 15 for 499.00 that you could pay for and take home the same day.... Now off to cry myself to sleep
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Hanko, since we're dusting off the cobwebs how bout STG-58 kits for a good condition 89.00 to very good 109.00 for a complete kit. A complete bag of AK parts kit for 69.00, A SKS including 500 rounds for 99.00, A Poly Tech AK47 for 299.00 A Galil in 5.56, Styer AUG, HK 91, L85A1 BullPup, Colt AR 15 for 499.00 that you could pay for and take home the same day.... Now off to cry myself to sleep
We could also discuss Poyer and Rosario FAL imports, but I'm already sick to my stomach...

I did get a MAK90 for $250 the day the Brady bill passed. Gun store (in TX) was out the door with congressional voting on the radio.

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