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Old 07-24-2007, 10:34 AM
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You might try Trutanich * Michel - their link is at the top of the page.

EDIT: I don't think T*M are the appropriate folks for this.

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They way you described it your friend will probably be adjudicated 5150.
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Perfect example of why some people shouldn't own firearms. If you hold a weapon against your head, be assured that you WILL be hauled off for psychiatric eval. Even if all you were doing was trying to get attention.
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Perfect example of why some people shouldn't own firearms. If you hold a weapon against your head, be assured that you WILL be hauled off for psychiatric eval. Even if all you were doing was trying to get attention.
I agreed.

Sorry to say, but taking firearms away from your friend maybe the best for himself and people around him.

"with no entention of causing bodily harm to himself or her" <- it is not what you intented, but what you DO... that matters...
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Holding two guns to his own head as of way of coercing answers from someone else, resisting arrest, kicking out the window of a police car. That is a prime example of a 5150.

IMHO he should not own firearms.
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Screw your 'friend'. Let the system do its work. Given all his "issues", it's probably best to stay well away from him anyway.

This is not a gun rights case, it's just a stupidity/dingbat case. He can get a public defender - I don't think anyone's interested in pro bono for matters of sanity/idiocy.

He's got bigger problems than basic gun rights - at worst emotional/stability issues, at best just being plain stoopid.

Sounds like a drunk 'hunter', not a gun owner.
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Who ever said the dude held two guns up to his head?

To quote the OP:

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Where is ohsmily when you need him.

Let this be a lesson kiddies: proper grammar is important in order to properly convey ideas.
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a 5150 could be the LEAST of your friends problems, depending on what the police were told.

He may very well face criminal charges for brandishing, assault with a deadly weapon, making terrorist threats... etc.. and thats AFTER they adjudicate him mentally defective.

I would STRONGLY advise you to follow the advice of the other members here and give your buddy the number of T.M.

His actions are not those of someone who I would want to spend any time around, IMHO.
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Hope his name isn't Robert.
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Who ever said the dude held two guns up to his head?

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Where is ohsmily when you need him.

Let this be a lesson kiddies: proper grammar is important in order to properly convey ideas.

Your'e right. Holding it to the girl's head is even worse, it goes from 5150 to assault with a deadly weapon, brandishing, etc.


He doesn't need a firearms lawyer, he needs a criminal defense lawyer but most of all he needs a shrink.
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It sounds like this guy needs treatment, and possibly to be behind bars. He shold not have access to firearms. If he pointed a gun at anyone's head as alleged, he is lucky to be alive.
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Your friend needs more help then a lawyer can give him.

I can be a pretty angry, tempermental person at times (the Irish in me), not once in the 15 years of owning firearms have I EVER handled them while angry, much less pointed them at my head.

That being said, a lifetime ban on firearms ownership is too harsh IMO. Then again I believe that there should be a process that anyone can undergo to restore their rights (yes, felons included).

One stupid mistake that no one got hurt in the course of should not bar a person of his rights for the rest of his life.
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Where is the gang to scream bloody murder and remind everyone that 2A said nothing about mental instability and that taking guns away from this fella is "GUN CONTROL". ;-)
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Where is the gang to scream bloody murder and remind everyone that 2A said nothing about mental instability and that taking guns away from this fella is "GUN CONTROL". ;-)
Ok, I'll say it. Give him his guns back. :::cue Mel Gibson in a kilt::: Freeeeeeeedooommmmm!!!!!
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Holding two guns to his own head as of way of coercing answers from someone else, resisting arrest, kicking out the window of a police car. That is a prime example of a 5150.

IMHO he should not own firearms.
I have seen people sent away on a 5150 hold for a lot less. Bill is right stay away from this guy...
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I took it to mean that he made the "gun" gesture with his thumb and index finger and put it to his head.

Either way, anyone that can't remain calm and kicks out a cop car window when facing a 5150 hold is probably not too bright.
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Quite a temper problem - put a gun against his head to make a point, fight the cops, kick out a cruiser window... Maybe you should reconsider friends.

I sense a gun sale soon.
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Looking for a good recommendation on a good pro gun attorney to help me recover some fire arms seized by sac county sherriffs on an illegal search and seizer there trying to say without a trial that i cannot own or posses i have trial with D.O.on the third but also in the mean while would like to find and ffl to transfer my guns to a famiuly member before these excuse my language *******s destroy my firearms starting to think i live in Kaliforniastan please reply.. thank you
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Looking for a good recommendation on a good pro gun attorney to help me recover some fire arms seized by sac county sherriffs on an illegal search and seizer there trying to say without a trial that i cannot own or posses i have trial with D.O.on the third but also in the mean while would like to find and ffl to transfer my guns to a famiuly member before these excuse my language *******s destroy my firearms starting to think i live in Kaliforniastan please reply.. thank you

Multiple personalities, perhaps?
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Thanks for the update, Steyr_223. Good catch.

Something did smell fishy a bit, and I couldn't put my finger on it.
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I took it to mean that he made the "gun" gesture with his thumb and index finger and put it to his head.
His following sentence, "Well she took the guns away with no struggle and handed the guns off too (sic) his mother" would suggest to me that they were actual firearms, and not a hand gesture.
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Sorry dude, but if he (YOU) were arrested pursuant to 5150 W&I, you're guns were NOT illegally seized. I know it's nice to try and blame the cops for your problems instead of taking your meds or actually being a responsible adult, but...

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8102 W&I (a) Whenever a person, who has been detained or apprehended
for examination of his or her mental condition
or who is a person
described in Section 8100 or 8103, is found to own, have in his or
her possession or under his or her control, any firearm whatsoever,

or any other deadly weapon, the firearm or other deadly weapon shall
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stating good cause for an order extending the time to file a
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ex parte request, a petition must be filed within 60 days of the
release of the person from a health facility.
(d) If the law enforcement agency does not initiate proceedings
within the 30-day period, or the period of time authorized by the
court in an ex parte order issued pursuant to subdivision (c), it
shall make the weapon available for return.
(e) The law enforcement agency shall inform the person that he or
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person at the time of the person's detention or apprehension.
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clerk shall set a hearing, no later than 30 days from receipt of the
request. The court clerk shall notify the person and the district
attorney of the date, time, and place of the hearing.
(g) If the person does not respond within 30 days of the notice,
the law enforcement agency may file a petition for order of default.

I'll stress the fact that it doesn't say "may seize." It says "shall seize," as in, we have to!

Pretty simple really...and I have had to do it several times....not as the 5150 mind you!

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Holding two guns to his own head as of way of coercing answers from someone else, resisting arrest, kicking out the window of a police car. That is a prime example of a 5150.

IMHO he should not own firearms.
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Looking for a good recommendation on a good pro gun attorney to help me recover some fire arms seized by sac county sherriffs on an illegal search and seizer there trying to say without a trial that i cannot own or posses i have trial with D.O.on the third but also in the mean while would like to find and ffl to transfer my guns to a famiuly member before these excuse my language *******s destroy my firearms starting to think i live in Kaliforniastan please reply.. thank you
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HDoctane shouldn't really come back here.... we don't want him to be our "friend"....

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Doesn't sound like an illegal seizure to me.
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My head hurts from just trying to piece together his post. I think there was only one period in the ENTIRE post.
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