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Old 11-07-2012, 6:19 PM
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Default Federal 5.56 M193F vs PMC Bronze .223

Local shop has them both on sale at .35 cents/round. Is one better than the other for use in Bushmaster Upper with 5.56/.223 chamber? Thanks, c good
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Old 11-07-2012, 6:20 PM
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Take the xm193 hands down. It's that much better then Pmc. Though they are both decent xm193 is on another level
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Old 11-07-2012, 6:29 PM
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Both are good in my AR. Buy some of both and check for yourself. When you find one that your rifle likes, go back and buy more.
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Old 11-17-2012, 7:41 AM
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Glad to make everyone laugh
Here is where I found it
http://www.survivalistboards.com/sho....php?p=2244834
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:06 AM
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.......M193F....
F stands for frozen, having to do with the way the rounds are manufactured
in order to make them more accurate.
WTH..... I am going to take that as a total joke........ Otherwise that is beyond a doubt the most foolish statement I have ever read on this forum.

To the OP, both are good choices, the PMC .223 has been more accurate for me , ( as in half the size groups ) and no crimped primers, but the Fed. XM193 is a 5.56 load .... so i would get some of both and shoot the PMC for groups, and the brass ( if you reload ) and know where the XM193 groups at for more troubled times.

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Old 11-17-2012, 11:13 AM
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I'm pretty happy with PMC in 223, it gives me dime size groups at 100 yards!

I compared 2 totally different rifles- MSTN AR-15 against a Tikka T3 Bolt rifle. Both in 223 calibers. Shot both rifles @ 100 yards!

Top target was MSTN AR with 16" Lilja Barrel bottom Target was Tikka
T3 lite bolt action rifle with 22 1/4 " barrel.



Using PMC 55 GR AND Federal 55 gr ammo. Using Trijicon Accupoint scopes on both rifle. TR21R for the MSTN Rifle and TR20R for the Tikka Bolt Action rifle.

Both rifles performed outstanding and gave me dime size groupings!
Using cheap ammo!

Here's my Mstn Ar with 16' Lilja barrel



And here's my Tikka T3 Lite in 223 caliber.



Both using Trijicon Accupoint scopes. Next ammo to try will be the 77gr ASYM match ammo or the 72 gr. Black Hills match ammo, will give one hole groupings.
Enjoy!
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Old 11-18-2012, 9:48 PM
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Man this thing is still going
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Why not buy it all?
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Old 11-19-2012, 9:12 AM
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The letters are packaging designations. Cryo treated? Really really? Source?
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The letters are packaging designations. Cryo treated? Really really? Source?
+1

I always thought the letters were packaging also.

If the F stands for "frozen" then what about the rest of them: BK; J; etc... ?

Maybe he knows something we don't, or maybe freezing bullets is something new.

Maybe the letters each stand for a different way the bullets are made (like the BKs are Berkelium infused, and the J.... well..... I got nothing for the J - So, I'm sticking with the packaging idea).

Never heard of Lake City, or any other Federal ammo site freezing their bullets - but who really knows.....

EDIT: Ohh.... wait...... Google ...... hmmm.......

"All XM193 product is the same regardless of the sku or part number. (ie. XM193C is the same as XM193F, XM193CBP and etc…) The only difference is the package configuration."

http://www.federalpremium.com/resources/xm193.aspx

Whew.... that was hard to figure out..... now I'm tired....................

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Old 11-19-2012, 10:32 AM
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Do your research and stop looking foolish!

The Federal XM193F ammunition uses cryo treated bullets.

The "F" stands for "Frozen", and the treatment is used to modify the molecular structure of the bullet cores. If you were to dissect one of the "Non-F" bullets and look at it under an electron spectrograph, you would see how the cannelure has impacted the sub-strata of the projectile's core, inducing eddies and swirls that decrease the uniformity from one bullet to the next. Chilling the bullets to -400 deg. F reshapes the crystalline lattice into a much more consistent pattern.
Not my first rodeo either...
You are going to have to prove that one. Links ?
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Do your research and stop looking foolish!

The Federal XM193F ammunition uses cryo treated bullets.

The "F" stands for "Frozen", and the treatment is used to modify the molecular structure of the bullet cores. If you were to dissect one of the "Non-F" bullets and look at it under an electron spectrograph, you would see how the cannelure has impacted the sub-strata of the projectile's core, inducing eddies and swirls that decrease the uniformity from one bullet to the next. Chilling the bullets to -400 deg. F reshapes the crystalline lattice into a much more consistent pattern.
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I always thought the letters were packaging also.

If the F stands for "frozen" then what about the rest of them: BK; J; etc... ?

Maybe he knows something we don't, or maybe freezing bullets is something new.

Maybe the letters each stand for a different way the bullets are made (like the BKs are Berkelium infused, and the J.... well..... I got nothing for the J - So, I'm sticking with the packaging idea).

Never heard of Lake City, or any other Federal ammo site freezing their bullets - but who really knows.....

EDIT: Ohh.... wait...... Google ...... hmmm.......

"All XM193 product is the same regardless of the sku or part number. (ie. XM193C is the same as XM193F, XM193CBP and etc…) The only difference is the package configuration."

http://www.federalpremium.com/resources/xm193.aspx

Whew.... that was hard to figure out..... now I'm tired....................
lostinspace FAIL!

Will he double down or concede?
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:52 PM
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Yup I am nuts and your welcome
Saw your post at AR15.com
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Yup I am nuts and your welcome
Saw your post at AR15.com
Lol, well at least I got a good laugh. Thank You S. Hill

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Old 11-19-2012, 6:26 PM
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Lol, well at least I got a good laugh. Thank You S. Hill
So u really think its packaging?
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Called a buddy who works for Federal and told him about the "F" indicating "frozen" and about the cryo treated bullets.

After he got done laughing (which took a while because he had to tell a few other people, who also laughed), he promised to toss some bullets in the freezer just to see what happens.
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Called a buddy who works for Federal and told him about the "F" indicating "frozen" and about the cryo treated bullets.

After he got done laughing (which took a while because he had to tell a few other people, who also laughed), he promised to toss some bullets in the freezer just to see what happens.
Prediction: Their temperature will decrease...
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Old 11-20-2012, 7:24 PM
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Prediction: Their temperature will decrease...
So his going to stick bullets in the freezer? Lol

Dang dude you sure can take a Joke and blow it out of proportion!!

All jokes a side that rumor is out!
look!

http://www.survivalistboards.com/sho....php?p=2244834

Its actually listed in other places as well
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To OP get both and test for groups.
Just because one rifle likes a particular load it does not mean yours will.
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M193F is the most accurate non reloaded M193 i have ever shot!
F stands for frozen, having to do with the way the rounds are manufactured
in order to make them more accurate.
I have heard some crazy statements on the internet over the years but this one takes the cake!!
Thanks for the laugh, haaaaaaa
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Old 12-01-2012, 5:34 PM
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http://www.federalpremium.com/resources/xm193.aspx

Federal's website:

• All XM193 product is the same regardless of the sku or part number. (ie. XM193C is the same as XM193F, XM193CBP and etc…) The only difference is the package configuration.
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Frozen huh
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Old 12-05-2012, 7:51 PM
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Maybe the letters each stand for a different way the bullets are made (like the BKs are Berkelium infused, and the J.... well..... I got nothing for the J - So, I'm sticking with the packaging idea).


XM193J is their proprietary Jackalope round
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Wow! Thanks to everyone involved in this thread.

Good for a laugh..
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Wow! Thanks to everyone involved in this thread.

Good for a laugh..
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