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Old 09-08-2012, 11:04 AM
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I thought about going to this but changed my mind after doing some research on Mr Grossman:

* Review of his book "On Killing" on Amazon (some interesting comments on the review as well)
* The Dave Grossman Debate by Tom Aveni
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Lt. Col. Grossman, like any public figure and academic, likely has his fair share of detractors. However, he is held in very high regard within SpecOps and LE circles; his thousands of annual seminar attendees (with numbers going up, not down) says that the value proposition and market favors his educational offerings.

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No doubt that he's popular and good at marketing himself (my first thought was to go to this event). However, people should know what it is that they're buying (McDonald's is also popular but that doesn't make it gourmet food).

I shared those two links that I found so that people can do their own research and decide whether this is something they want to spend $85 on (vs. donating the full amount directly to CGF).
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I have read both On Combat and On Killing.

I now do not let my 7 year old know that I have Halo and or other shooting video games.

His recap on the Military and how they train made an impact upon me.....

I have signed up for the Irvine course..... Are other CalGunners going to the Irvine Event?
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I have read both On Combat and On Killing.

I now do not let my 7 year old know that I have Halo and or other shooting video games.

His recap on the Military and how they train made an impact upon me.....

I have signed up for the Irvine course..... Are other CalGunners going to the Irvine Event?
im in playa del rey thinking about signing up for the irvine event
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I'll be there in Sacramento for sure.
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Does the active LTC have to be from CA to receive the discount? I have a Nevada LTC and carry regularly when I am there.
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Do LEO qualify for the ccw discount?
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No doubt that he's popular and good at marketing himself (my first thought was to go to this event). However, people should know what it is that they're buying (McDonald's is also popular but that doesn't make it gourmet food).

I shared those two links that I found so that people can do their own research and decide whether this is something they want to spend $85 on (vs. donating the full amount directly to CGF).
Yup, it's something to consider.

Grossman is a well known alarmist concerning 'shooter' video games: he terms them 'murder simulators'.

Example from his website:

http://www.killology.org/article_teachkid.htm

Michael Carneal, the 14-year-old killer in the Paducah, Kentucky school shootings, had never fired a real pistol in his life. He stole a .22 pistol, fired a few practice shots, and took it to school. He fired eight shots at a high school prayer group, hitting eight kids, five of them head shots and the other three upper torso (Grossman & DeGaetana, 1999).

I train numerous elite military and law enforcement organizations around the world. When I tell them of this achievement they are stunned. Nowhere in the annals of military or law enforcement history can we find an equivalent "achievement."

Where does a 14-year-old boy who never fired a gun before get the skill and the will to kill? Video games and media violence.


Who knew that repeatedly clicking a mouse translated to 'stunning' marksmanship skills?

Caveat emptor.

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I went to one of his seminars. I didn't really agree with his view of videogames, but thought there was a ton of good information in the seminar. I would definitely recommend it to anyone intrested in the subject. On Combat is also a very interesting read.

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I've been to both his LE BPM seminar, as well as his CCW BPM seminar, within the past 8 months.

Both are worth the time and money to hear him speak about the various subjects he speaks about.

To you naysayers: Don't go. That will leave more seats open for people to listen to what he has to say.
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We'll be at the Irvine Seminar
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I highly recommend seeing Lt Col Grossman.

A great way to keep your mind in the fight.
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Registered for the Sac event.

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Yup, it's something to consider.

Grossman is a well known alarmist concerning 'shooter' video games: he terms them 'murder simulators'.

Example from his website:

http://www.killology.org/article_teachkid.htm

Michael Carneal, the 14-year-old killer in the Paducah, Kentucky school shootings, had never fired a real pistol in his life. He stole a .22 pistol, fired a few practice shots, and took it to school. He fired eight shots at a high school prayer group, hitting eight kids, five of them head shots and the other three upper torso (Grossman & DeGaetana, 1999).

I train numerous elite military and law enforcement organizations around the world. When I tell them of this achievement they are stunned. Nowhere in the annals of military or law enforcement history can we find an equivalent "achievement."

Where does a 14-year-old boy who never fired a gun before get the skill and the will to kill? Video games and media violence
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Who knew that repeatedly clicking a mouse translated to 'stunning' marksmanship skills?

Caveat emptor.

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Oh gaaawd. We should just start having our marines play videogames for 13 hours a day to learn marksmanship skills then, yea? Foolish stuff. That being said, I will be registering for the Sac event if it fits into my calendar.
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Did any Cangunners attend this event? How did you like it?



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I'm registered for Sacto event in March. Really looking forward to it!
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He is a MUST SEE! A+
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First off, I went and I would recommend attending. Having said that, I was a little disappointed that there was not more detailed information. I should mention that I am a psychologist and much of what was presented wasn't new to me, although the organization and presentation was interesting.

Basically the way the presentation goes is the morning sessions are devoted to understanding the threat/risk/obstacles that would motivate someone to arm themselves. Be forewarned, all of the threats/risks/obstacles are not external (i.e., be prepared to look in the mirror).

The afternoon sessions were more focused on how to approach the idea and realities of "combat". This is where I felt there could have been more detailed information provided but I suspect I am not a typical consumer of Dave's presentations.

The real payout for me? Surprisingly my wife wanted to attend and it was her transformation that was worth every penny. We had not even left the building at the conclusion of the presentation and she was asking me about scheduling tactical training. So I give it a big thumbs up.
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Reading his book On Combat right now due CGF recommendations... im impressed so far
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The detail I'm looking for is probably in his books. I plan on picking up "On Killing" and "On Combat".
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I went and thought it was a good use of my Saturday.

Ended up winning a one day firearms training with civilian arms training which I ended up donating back to the Calguns booth.

I have recommended teh Pasadena seminar to all my gun buddies.
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I attended the recent seminar in irvine and first let me say DAMN that toll road, how the hell was i supposed to know what it was hell i didnt even know we had them in so cal. OK so the seminar, was interesting and the Col. does a very good job and keeping your attention. Through out the seminar i found myself agreeing and going along until the Col said something that i found to be not so much at odds with what i believe, but little things that kind of checked me from "drinking all of the kool-aid" if you will. I did realize that the Col. knows psychology and if your not completely mesmerized you can see how it plays out on the audience members who were just eating it up.

I must admit the Col is a very very eloquent speaker and certainly knows his crowd. Yeah, I'll admit I got a little choked up once or twice (Beslan was tough). A good seminar and for people who have been in "denial" it is a must go it will open up some eyes to how scary our world really is. But please be advised to take it all with a grain of salt like most things in life. Have an open mind, but realized it is still one man's views no matter how many books hes written.

I will be at the pasadena one since the company i work for will be sponsoring it.
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I attended the recent seminar in irvine and first let me say DAMN that toll road, how the hell was i supposed to know what it was hell i didnt even know we had them in so cal. OK so the seminar, was interesting and the Col. does a very good job and keeping your attention. Through out the seminar i found myself agreeing and going along until the Col said something that i found to be not so much at odds with what i believe, but little things that kind of checked me from "drinking all of the kool-aid" if you will. I did realize that the Col. knows psychology and if your not completely mesmerized you can see how it plays out on the audience members who were just eating it up.

I must admit the Col is a very very eloquent speaker and certainly knows his crowd. Yeah, I'll admit I got a little choked up once or twice (Beslan was tough). A good seminar and for people who have been in "denial" it is a must go it will open up some eyes to how scary our world really is. But please be advised to take it all with a grain of salt like most things in life. Have an open mind, but realized it is still one man's views no matter how many books hes written.

I will be at the pasadena one since the company i work for will be sponsoring it.

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I agree Coronel Grossman is quite a speaker. All of the scenarios he brought up are possible as they have happened in other countries, but it is impossible to predict if they will happen here, but September 11, 2001, was unexpected too.

It is a day well spent… I think anyone who attends will take something from the class, even if it just his methods to deal with stressful situations it is worthwhile. Much of what he covers is applicable in many situations, disasters, accidents, etc...



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Well, I signed up for the Sacto Event... The CCW discount was nice.
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For all those who were able to attend, Thank you. PTR looks forward to seeing you at our other seminar series focused on Training, Advocacy and the 2nd Amendment.

We are coordinating additional one day seminars by guest speakers. These will be related to Emergency Combat First Aid, Legal Updates, 2A.

If you have recommendations for future topics and locations for our seminars, we would like to hear from you.

Our current schedule:
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Nov 17, 2012 San Jose - Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
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