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Old 11-04-2012, 5:41 PM
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You're right about one thing. Librarian routinely does an excellent job of conveying accurate, helpful informaton without editorializing.

About the rest of your comments?

Not so much.
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Bahaha. The FUD is strong with this one.

Here's a hint dude....Librarian is one of the most accurate sources of information on this site. If he, bwiese (Bill), wildhawker (Brandon), or hoffmang (Gene) say something, you can bet your *** on it.

Alternatively, you can keep bowing to people and LEA's preferences and hope they don't take your privilege away.

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Here's a hint "dude"..... 90% of the info I have seen posted on this site is total B.S., and if an agency gives you a permit to carry statewide then you damn well better respect it (but I'm guessing you don't have one - if you don't, then you really have nothing to say here).
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Here's a hint "dude"..... 90% of the info I have seen posted on this site is total B.S., and if an agency gives you a permit to carry statewide then you damn well better respect it (but I'm guessing you don't have one - if you don't, then you really have nothing to say here).
You keep posting messages that seem to indicate that you think your views are valid, and anyone who feels differently must not actually have an LTC.

I've had mine for years (yes, in CA) and I respectfully disagree.
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I carried at Disney World over the summer. No issues, as it should be if you're doing it right.
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A friend works for Disneyland part time. He says that if you concealed carry there and they can prove you knew it was wrong, like by posting here that you are going to do so, they can have you kicked out for trespassing and banned from the park.
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I personally leave it locked in the car. I really dislike however the idea that "oh the odds are so low" thought process. Well the odds are really really low that you are going to get robbed, killed, threatened with a weapon etc etc but we still feel the need to carry. Why is Disneyland any different? I do not carry there, but I would definitely prefer to, no matter how supposedly "safe" it is.
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This isn't a safety issue, or an odds issue

It's a really simple issue.

If you don't feel comfortable there unarmed, don't go there.

Anything else is disrespectful, and casts all gun owners in a negative light.
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First, you cannot conceal carry at the park.
Another good reason to NOT visit Disneyland.
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Not another carry at Disneyland, I need to protect my family post!
I know Disneyland is such a dangerous and heinous destination
but what tool is going to find a clear shooting lane with thousands of kids?

Put down the pipe and take off the were talking about a kids park and not Compton!

I don't ever feel the need to carry at Disneyland, and I've been there over 20+ times this year (annual pass + young kids & living nearby = almost a weekly event). I don't even feel like I need to carry/conceal a knife or any other type of weapon either.

However, that being said, their park security is somewhat of a joke when you enter onto the grounds and into the park. The only security search there is just a bag check, and that's ONLY if you're carrying a bag of some type. If you have no bag, you can just walk right through that area and proceed to the ticket line where there's no additional security there or after that point. There aren't any metal detectors that you walk through. The same went for Disneyworld in FL (both Magic Kingdom & Epcot), as I was there last week.

Not that I ever would try to sneak something through a security check, but I'm the type of person who will examine the area and see what ways there are for somebody to circumvent the security and get something through there. And in these days, there's always a bunch of crazy people out there willing to shoot anybody, regardless of age.
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A friend works for Disneyland part time. He says that if you concealed carry there and they can prove you knew it was wrong, like by posting here that you are going to do so, they can have you kicked out for trespassing and banned from the park.
I don't believe that they need to prove you knew....they just tell you to leave and ban you. Honestly, I'll continue to carry...If they end up wanting to ban me, I don't think I'll suffer much from being banned from Disneyland.

I can do the same for anyone coming on my land.

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Here's a hint "dude"..... 90% of the info I have seen posted on this site is total B.S., and if an agency gives you a permit to carry statewide then you damn well better respect it (but I'm guessing you don't have one - if you don't, then you really have nothing to say here).
Last time I checked I didn't endorse the entire site; plenty of people post BS. But blowing off Librarian (one of the most precise and knowledgable sources of verifiable legal info around) makes you look like a fool. Similarly, blowing off the people who brought you OLLs, bullet buttons, StopSB249, the Sunshine Initiative, Sacramento county "may issue" permitting, etc, (like wildhawker or bwiese or hoffmang), makes you look like a fool.

You're obviously free to do or don't do whatever you are or are not comfortable with re your LTC. It's your choice. But blasting people for following the law is ridiculous.

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Disneyland is private property, their house, their rules. I do like that they have a system for LTC folks to leave their guns and pick them up later. It's a great option for local folks especially who prefer to take public transit or other means of getting there where locking in a car is not an option.
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Did you go to Disney yet? Were you able to secure your weapon?
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Did you go to Disney yet? Were you able to secure your weapon?
I'll be going at the end of December, so no new information yet.
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I don't believe that they need to prove you knew....they just tell you to leave and ban you. Honestly, I'll continue to carry...If they end up wanting to ban me, I don't think I'll suffer much from being banned from Disneyland.

I can do the same for anyone coming on my land.
Until APD calls for issuing agency & your permit is pulled.
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Here's a hint "dude"..... 90% of the info I have seen posted on this site is total B.S., and if an agency gives you a permit to carry statewide then you damn well better respect it (but I'm guessing you don't have one - if you don't, then you really have nothing to say here).
...and you post here, why was that?

To get 1 out of 10 good responses?

Seems strange you would bash the boards like that but still start threads.

Edit: never mind rileybean I thought you were the OP for a minute there.

OP titles his thread "Planning a concealed carry trip to Disneyland, CA?"
Then acts indifferent to the responses?!

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This original post of mine is intended for proper storage of a ccw holders firearm if they wish to carry up to the entrance. This is not about carrying in the park, that's for someone else to post if they're so inclined. I posted the information I gathered from local law enforcement and Disney security regarding rules that they feel apply as a means of additional information only. I could care less if others wish to argue over why or why not to carry in the park, but that's not the intent here. To each his/her own respectively. And one more thing, Librarian does an excellent job of responding with logical/helpful information. It's people like him who make a difference.
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Went to happiest place on earth, no wands just bag screening. I locked mine in the car since
I planned to ride the extremes... Its a small world rides :0)
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I've always thought of Disneyland as "fun in a can" and my suggestion is to take your kids on a little overnight backpacking trip and let them get acquainted with the natural world in leau of very un-natural world.
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I hate to dredge this topic back up, but, it's a whole lot more fun to discuss Disneyland than the stupid bills before congress..

SO, here's what I'd like to know..

A posted sign saying "no weapons" is completely without force in California. Disneyland is not a federal property; nor is it on the list of "don't bring a gun here" places (i.e. on the sterile side of an Airport, Governors house without approval, etc..), and it certainly isn't one of the places where, frankly, there's not a whole lot of real clear rules that I can find (i.e. can you carry in an indian casino).

For the sake of argument, I'm going to ignore the fact that wearing a gun while trying to ride on roller coasters and fast-moving rides could become very uncomfortable.

So, while Disneyland is private property, so are movie theaters (where I routinely carry), Sea World (ditto), the Museum (check), and everywhere that isn't a public right-of-way. Why does DL get a special dispensation when it comes to conceal carry?

Is it just that DL will boot you and ban you for CCW? or is it that we're bending over a bit much for DL's policies?

The odds of anything happening at DL is probably incredibly low. But, it *could* happen.

It's not exactly like Anaheim in general is perfect; in July of 2012, the Anaheim PD opened fire at protesters outside Disneyland. ( http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...isneyland.html )

On March 7, 1987, a 15-year-old was fatally shot in the Disneyland parking lot. ( http://articles.latimes.com/1987-03-...anaheim-police ).

On September 12, 1992, a 37-year old man entered Epcot after park closing and brandished a shotgun at three security guards, demanding to see his ex-girlfriend who worked at the park. ( http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...otgun-solomons )

Ok, so granted most of those are outside the park itself, but, it shows that it's not 100% guaranteed that nothing will ever happen.

So, ultimately, here's the question... Why are we letting DL set the rules for CCW, when we'd collectively be up in arms if anywhere else said the same thing? It's not like DL has high-security.. There's no metal detectors (to ensure that everyone is disarmed), there's no physical check; there's just a cursory look into bags and strollers, etc..

Now, do I feel in danger at DL? Nope. I used to routinely leave our stroller 'parked' next to rides filled with all sorts of expensive camera equipment, money, car keys, etc.. We never *once* had an issue. But, the civil rights activist in me bristles at the fact that a private company can insist upon being disarmed...
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It's not exactly like Anaheim in general is perfect; in July of 2012, the Anaheim PD opened fire at protesters outside Disneyland. ( http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...isneyland.html
No they didn't. It's a clumsy headline.







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So, ultimately, here's the question... Why are we letting DL set the rules for CCW, when we'd collectively be up in arms if anywhere else said the same thing?
Ultimately, it's PRIVATE PROPERTY. They do not "set the rules" for CCW as you say, they set the rules for their business and property. Not that hard of a concept. You like to hear yourself talk huh?
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Ultimately, it's PRIVATE PROPERTY. They do not "set the rules" for CCW as you say, they set the rules for their business and property. Not that hard of a concept. You like to hear yourself talk huh?
So, CCW at a movie theater with a sign, ignore it. CCW at DL, respect the sign? Why?
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Believing that something is going to happen at Disneyland where you will have to draw down on someone is truly Fantasy Land. I can think of no scenario where you would be justified in using your weapon there. There are way more undercover people there than you know to keep the peace and tranquility. Cameras everywhere. This is a fun place. A happy place. The one place you should feel more than safe to go without fear or a gun. In it's entire history, there has never been an incident that would have called for the use lethal force by a civilian. Murder, mayhem and robbery will not be found there.
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So, CCW at a movie theater with a sign, ignore it. CCW at DL, respect the sign? Why?
Do you build straw men into all your arguments? I'll play along though...

If you do not respect a movie theaters private property then there is no logical reason to respect any others, including Disneyland, the hospital, the moose lodge or even another's home. You leave out another important option though. That being not entering the property at all. Funny that both of your examples are places of entertainment.
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Disneyland, like any other private property/business, can come up with their own policies for varying activities.

It may not be against the law to violate any of their policies, but violating them can get you kick/banned from their property.

In regards to carry a concealed weapon at Disneyland...
*If you have a valid CA LTC permit, you will not violate any laws to carry at Disneyland.
*But, if they discover you doing so, they can ask you to leave the property. It's their property/business and they have the right to refuse service for any reason.
*If you refuse to leave, then that can result in a trespassing arrest/citation. [PC 602]
*Depending on your attitude/interaction with any LEOs and/or if you get a trespassing arrest/citation, the LEOs may contact your issuing agency in order to get your CA LTC permit revoked (this is possible under the "may issue" license system, misdemeanor arrest could be use as an indication that you are not a person of "good moral character").
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First, you cannot conceal carry at the park. Let me repeat, you cannot conceal carry at the park.
Actually, you probably can. The "security check" is just a peek into your wife's handbag and that's it. They don't pat you down or anything.

It would be more accurate to say "Disney policy forbids guns on their private property."
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Well for one I pay lots of money to have a year long pass for all 3 of us. I dont want to risk loosing all that money and being banned from the park. Getting kicked out of a mall or movie is no big deal to me.

Secondly there are trained guards, dogs, and undercover all over that park looking for concealed items. I tend not to worry about printing because nobody will notice unless its those of us or trained security. The odds of getting busted is very high. I forgot I had a knife one time and it was hell to pay. They arent messing around at that park and Unless you deep conceal you are going to get caught.
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I've carried there many times with an IWB holster. It was even comfortable.

I am actually disappointed in Disney. There was a time when Disneyland's security was legendary. They were better armed and better prepared than Anaheim PD and if you LOOKED like you were thinking of getting in to mischief you had a guy literally come out of the shadows and tell you to knock it off or they'd toss you out. I actually knew somebody who went to "Mouschwitz" (disney jail) for screwing around in the park, he had to wait there until somebody picked him up. Now their security is little more than what you would find at the mall. No whiz bang high tech gear to spot you carrying, if you were of a mind you could smuggle a sub machine gun through the gates. I went through the security check point once while I was packing. Had a jacket on (it was cold) an untucked light shirt covering my gun in an IWB and they asked me to open my jacket for them. Walked right past carrying a full size 45 while they were thoroughly "checking me".

We gave up our passes a couple of years ago, just too darned expensive with two adults and three kids. We do go maybe once a year and unless I plan on having a cocktail or three at CDA, I am usually packing. The only other exception to my usually carrying there, is if a friend signs us in, only because I don't want them to pay for me not following Disneyland's rules.
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Boy, lot's of stuff, guess I got to add mine.

Private property, their rules. If I told you no smoking in my house, would you do it anyway because it's not against the law? Respect the owner's right to do what he wants with his property.

However, Disneyland either needs to change policies or get with a better security program. I know they have lots of undercover, but the gate security is ridiculous, and I would think threat levels could be high. Look at how tough security is for Super Bowls, Disney maybe doesn't need that much, but they should be catching things at the gate better, not depending on undercover to bail them out. I expect a safe, fun time for me and my own, and based on the last time I went, I didn't get it.

But the mouse has done well all these years doing it his way, don't think they'll change anytime soon, so there you go. It will probably take some horrific thing happening before they change, and then they will look for the last threat and miss the next one, just like they do at the airports. Me, I will go fishing, camping and hiking, lots more fun without all the people.
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I forgot I had a knife and it was hell to pay with those people. Asked for a locker and was denied. I was asked to put it in my car and I left and put it in my back pocket and returned few minutes later. Well, apparently they have under covers and got me red handed as I tried to re enter.
I got caught with my EDC folder in my pocket while entering last year. Was told to put it in my car, so I started the long hike through Downtown Disney out to the parking lot. Noticed that they sent some Disney Jr. G-Man ninja security guard to follow me.

I stopped in the bathroom on the way to the parking lot. When I came out, Barney Fife is chatting up some cute female Disney worker. I walked right past him, realized that he hadn't noticed, so I dropped the knife into a cargo pocket and went back through security (a different line, obviously). I wonder how long that guy waited outside that bathroom for me to come out.

As for LTC at Disney, I recommend the Maxpedition Monsoon Gearslinger. Nice messenger bag-type pack, and none of the security recognize that the bladder pocket is designed to mount a holster in it (or even that it has a bladder pocket). Weapon access is not too bad for being off-body carry (assuming you're right handed), and it doesn't scream concealed carry.
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Boy, lot's of stuff, guess I got to add mine.

Private property, their rules. If I told you no smoking in my house, would you do it anyway because it's not against the law? Respect the owner's right to do what he wants with his property.
Are you operating your house as a pubic accommodation? Your house is not the same as a business that is open to the public. When you open your doors to the public, you give up some rights to do what you want with your own property.
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So much FAIL.

If you feel the need to "lock up" your gun where you can legally carry, then just return your CCW. There's no point in you having it.
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So ...anyone use Disneyland locker for pistol yet ? I m going to be there in Nov
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Mass shooter would never hit that place.
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Just went to Knotts Berry Farms. They dont even check the wife bag. They have a sign out front that says "no firearms" , and thats it. I checked mine in at there gun locker, didnt want it to fall out on a roller coaster. Go there next time if you want to carry at a amusement park. Just my two cents worth.
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I don't ever feel the need to carry at Disneyland, and I've been there over 20+ times this year (annual pass + young kids & living nearby = almost a weekly event). I don't even feel like I need to carry/conceal a knife or any other type of weapon either.

However, that being said, their park security is somewhat of a joke when you enter onto the grounds and into the park. The only security search there is just a bag check, and that's ONLY if you're carrying a bag of some type. If you have no bag, you can just walk right through that area and proceed to the ticket line where there's no additional security there or after that point. There aren't any metal detectors that you walk through. The same went for Disneyworld in FL (both Magic Kingdom & Epcot), as I was there last week.

Not that I ever would try to sneak something through a security check, but I'm the type of person who will examine the area and see what ways there are for somebody to circumvent the security and get something through there. And in these days, there's always a bunch of crazy people out there willing to shoot anybody, regardless of age.
Disney security IS a joke. I think it would be extremely easy for someone planning a big massacre to bring in whatever he wanted...pistol, UZI, shotgun, you name it. They look through my wife's handbag and don't even give me half a glance. I really do wish their security was better because it's only a matter of time before some BG takes advantage of their limp-noodle security people and racks up a high body count before he's stopped.
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I checked mine in at there gun locker, didnt want it to fall out on a roller coaster.
Get a better holster
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