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Old 10-31-2012, 5:19 PM
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Default Planning a concealed carry trip to Disneyland, CA?

After reading other posts on different forums, I finally did my own research on how to properly conceal carry with my CCW at Disneyland in Anaheim, Ca.

First, you cannot conceal carry at the park. Let me repeat, you cannot conceal carry at the park.

Second, you can carry to the outer (parking lot) entrance where they do the bag searching. Once there, ask for Security to escort you to their inside gun lockers. They will then come out, escort you inside to their hidden gun locker area. Then they will check your CCW with the Anaheim PD. Once cleared by phone, you get a paper slip with your gun serial number and a locker to store it in. They will then escort you back out to your family at the main entrance.

Once you're done in the park, you ask for Security to take you back to the gun locker area where you give them your paper slip to retrieve your gun. Then they will escort you back out to the bag search area.

I got this information directly from the Anaheim PD and the Security department at Disneyland, both by phone today.

I'm planning on heading there in early January, so I'll be there to test this information out.

Maybe some of you out there have recently done this, I don't know. If so, let me know how it went.

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This is not accurate wording.
This is not a grammar class, either.
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Wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to just lock it in your trunk? I mean if it isn't enough hassle to get in and out of the park, you really want to wait for security to escort you anywhere? All that so you can carry in Downtown Disney?
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This is not a grammar class, either.
He wasn't referring to the grammar. "Can't" is different from "they do not like it" and "what if you don't get detected" and "it might not be legal but I could get away with it".

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Wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to just lock it in your trunk? I mean if it isn't enough hassle to get in and out of the park, you really want to wait for security to escort you anywhere? All that so you can carry in Downtown Disney?
The parking lots are large and lonely late at night...

If the park provides lockers, IMHO they're doing the right thing about LTC - since they don't want guns carried in the park, they give legal carriers a place to keep those guns while visiting.
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He wasn't referring to the grammar. "Can't" is different from "they do not like it" and "what if you don't get detected" and "it might not be legal but I could get away with it".

Although I respect your opinion, I could care less what he was referring to. As a responsible CCW holder and according to the Anaheim PD & Disneyland Security, you cannot conceal carry at Disneyland. I'm not looking for a play on words, I'm looking to pass on helpful information for anyone else out there. I would hope we all share the same concern, rather than running around correcting one another.
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Although I respect your opinion, I could care less what he was referring to. As a responsible CCW holder and according to the Anaheim PD & Disneyland Security, you cannot conceal carry at Disneyland. I'm not looking for a play on words, I'm looking to pass on helpful information for anyone else out there. I would hope we all share the same concern, rather than running around correcting one another.
S&W, I think Librarian was trying to be nice, and your answer just sounds bull headed. You might want to think about whether you are good fit for calguns with your type of responses.

Basically you are wrong in your proclamation. If my husband carried at Disneyland, and if, for some reason, he were noticed as carrying and stopped by a disneyland official, he could simply apologize for not following park policy and check his gun at that point. But luckily for us during our 1 trip there a few years ago, this didn't happen and we got to enjoy ourselves with Mickey Mouse.

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And "according to anaheim pd" is wrong. Maybe there are some Disney police that enforce mickey mouse rules, but Ahaheim PD, I assure you, does not keep the disney policy and procedure manual along side the California penal code, and their officers could care less. Disneyland is private property.
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Hey, I've got a great idea. Why don't we all just do whatever the heck we want whenever we want and totally disregard local law enforcement as well as private property owners. Why be responsible gun owners and ccw permit holders? Sure, good idea.

No ill will meant towards anyone here at all. Best wishes to all instead. Have a good one and be safe...
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ok.

so you can not have a gun on your person/bag/etc while going to see mickey mouse. even if you have a valid ccw or not.

they have lockers to keep your gun safe from crooks.

is this right??


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Not another carry at Disneyland, I need to protect my family post!
I know Disneyland is such a dangerous and heinous destination
but what tool is going to find a clear shooting lane with thousands of kids?
Put down the pipe and take off the were talking about a kids park and not Compton!
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d totally disregard local law enforcement
if an LEA is telling you that a legal act is not legal, then I don't have an issue disregarding them.

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as well as private property owners.
private property owners that open their property to the public have rules and regulations that apply to them.
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I have attempted to lock my CCW up at Disney twice over the years. Both times I called prior AND told them I am not LEO, I am a CCW holder. Both times they said no problem, we will lock it up. BOTH TIMES when I arrived, I was turned away as they said they only lock up LEO's weapons. Even though I called and told them I was not LEO and told no problem, they said the person who told me I could lock it up was wrong. If the situation has changed please PM me.

As for Universal and Knott's, no problem locking it up at them, they were totally squared away each time I visited their parks.
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Hey, I've got a great idea. Why don't we all just do whatever the heck we want whenever we want... and totally disregard local law enforcement as well as private property owners. Why be responsible gun owners and ccw permit holders? Sure, good idea.

No ill will meant towards anyone here at all. Best wishes to all instead. Have a good one and be safe...
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ok.

so you can not have a gun on your person/bag/etc while going to see mickey mouse. even if you have a valid ccw or not.

they have lockers to keep your gun safe from crooks.

is this right??
That's what the OP reports - not the first time I've heard it, but this time from someone who called the appropriate contacts him/herself.
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Although I respect your opinion, I could care less what he was referring to. As a responsible CCW holder and according to the Anaheim PD & Disneyland Security, you cannot conceal carry at Disneyland. I'm not looking for a play on words, I'm looking to pass on helpful information for anyone else out there. I would hope we all share the same concern, rather than running around correcting one another.
I believe what you are trying to convey is
a) Anaheim PD told you it's illegal (it isn't);
b) Disneyland told you they very much do not want people to do it (their business, their call).

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c) "Disneyland is private property." True, but they pay an awful lot of taxes to the city of Anaheim. I've heard for years that the Disney corporation has a lot of influence in getting what they want from the city.

With (b) true and (c) likely true, I suspect Anaheim PD is quite inclined to help Disney enforce its preferences. It is often the case that folks will attribute to force of law the implementation of their preferences.

Given the 'check the guns on entering' offered (with , apparently, some confusion (see LCU1670's post)), I'm inclined to cooperate wit' da Mouse. If one preferred not to follow their wishes in this matter, my preference would be to not go there.
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I have attempted to lock my CCW up at Disney twice over the years. Both times I called prior AND told them I am not LEO, I am a CCW holder. Both times they said no problem, we will lock it up. BOTH TIMES when I arrived, I was turned away as they said they only lock up LEO's weapons. Even though I called and told them I was not LEO and told no problem, they said the person who told me I could lock it up was wrong. If the situation has changed please PM me.

As for Universal and Knott's, no problem locking it up at them, they were totally squared away each time I visited their parks.
First I've heard about Universal and Knott's - thanks.

As to Ratland, I might try one more time with the calling before writing them off. Next time, ask the phone person to check with a supervisor; it might work to say 'on <date> I called and talked to Bob Smith, and he confirmed with his supervisor Jenny Jones, that I could check my LTC handgun'.

Pick a cool day; it might otherwise be a long hot trip back to the car ...
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thank goodness someone posted this information up.
i have yet to visit Disneyland since I was unsure if i could CCW my RPG in the park.
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but what tool is going to find a clear shooting lane with thousands of kids?
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Wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to just lock it in your trunk? I mean if it isn't enough hassle to get in and out of the park, you really want to wait for security to escort you anywhere? All that so you can carry in Downtown Disney?
Thats what I do. Not worth it. I forgot I had a knife and it was hell to pay with those people. Asked for a locker and was denied. I was asked to put it in my car and I left and put it in my back pocket and returned few minutes later. Well, apparently they have under covers and got me red handed as I tried to re enter.

I lock my gun in the trunk and dont bring anything in there with me.
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I believe what you are trying to convey is
a) Anaheim PD told you it's illegal (it isn't);
b) Disneyland told you they very much do not want people to do it (their business, their call).

Further,
c) "Disneyland is private property." True, but they pay an awful lot of taxes to the city of Anaheim. I've heard for years that the Disney corporation has a lot of influence in getting what they want from the city.

With (b) true and (c) likely true, I suspect Anaheim PD is quite inclined to help Disney enforce its preferences. It is often the case that folks will attribute to force of law the implementation of their preferences.

Given the 'check the guns on entering' offered (with , apparently, some confusion (see LCU1670's post)), I'm inclined to cooperate wit' da Mouse. If one preferred not to follow their wishes in this matter, my preference would be to not go there.
Now that's the way to do it. Good response as usual, Librarian.

By the way, for anyone interested here is a link to the "items not permitted" part of the Disneyland page;

http://disneyland.disney.go.com/faq/...ksFAQPage#qa11

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Leave the Handgun in your car .....

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Thats what I do. Not worth it. I forgot I had a knife and it was hell to pay with those people. Asked for a locker and was denied. I was asked to put it in my car and I left and put it in my back pocket and returned few minutes later. Well, apparently they have under covers and got me red handed as I tried to re enter.

I lock my gun in the trunk and dont bring anything in there with me.
THIS! Last time I went I left the gun in the car, but in the process of getting ready in the morning, like i do every morning, i put my knife in my right front pocket, not thinking anything of it. they asked me to take it back to the car. i thought about doing what you did, but i took it all the way back. when i returned i was searched by a supervisor. they dont mess around.
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Now that's the way to do it. Good response as usual, Librarian.

By the way, for anyone interested here is a link to the "items not permitted" part of the Disneyland page;

http://disneyland.disney.go.com/faq/...ksFAQPage#qa11
I think the point people are trying to make is that its not illegal to carry into a private business. The best they can do is ask you to leave, and if you dont' THEN you have broken a law because at that point you are considered a trespasser.

Either way, Ive been to disneyland countless times and I prefer to just lock up in the car. I dont want to be bothered waiting for security to escort me to the locker area after a full day at the park when im exhausted and just want to go home.
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This thread is perfect timing for me. I'll be going to Disneyland this upcoming week and will see if they let me store my gun or not.
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Not another carry at Disneyland, I need to protect my family post!
I know Disneyland is such a dangerous and heinous destination
but what tool is going to find a clear shooting lane with thousands of kids?
Put down the pipe and take off the were talking about a kids park and not Compton!
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It's not so much that Disneyland is "a dangerous and heinous destination" but more the drive there and back. Many people have to drive through bad areas to get to Disneyland.

Having to leave a gun in a car sucks. I think it's great that they provide that service for those able to carry concealed.
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I was at Disneyland at the end of Sept. with the wife and kids. They just checked bags and that was all. No one was physically searched or run over with a metal detector wand. I pocket carry my PM9 in a DeSantis Nemesis holster during the warm summer months and would have had no issues had I been carrying that day. I wasn't.

As someone pointed out...Disneyland is a filled with families and kids. Even on a slow day, its packed. Everyone is usually well behaved. Why do you need a gun? The odds of a situation arising there that would necessitate you having to draw your weapon are astronomically high.

Leave the weapon at home or in your car and enjoy the day with your kids/family!
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Hey, I've got a great idea. Why don't we all just do whatever the heck we want whenever we want and totally disregard local law enforcement as well as private property owners. Why be responsible gun owners and ccw permit holders? Sure, good idea.

No ill will meant towards anyone here at all. Best wishes to all instead. Have a good one and be safe...

I'm totally with you. It's always the ones without a clue that want to play the games.

My guess is the goofballs don't have an active CCW issued to them, so they say stupid stuff. If you have a CCW it can be taken if you don't respect private policies. So just ignore the tards with nothing to lose. If you mess around and the issuing agency finds out, you could lose your CCW.

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As someone pointed out...Disneyland is a filled with families and kids. Even on a slow day, its packed. Everyone is usually well behaved. Why do you need a gun? The odds of a situation arising there that would necessitate you having to draw your weapon are astronomically high.
Although I know what you intended, the odds of having you in a situation of having to draw your weapon are generally quite LOW, not high.

You seriously think that you can accurately predict when you'll need to defend yourself or your family, using the "odds"?

Using your "low odds" theory, couldn't that be argued for almost all of daily life? Yet, stuff happens.
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Although I know what you intended, the odds of having you in a situation of having to draw your weapon are generally quite LOW, not high.

You seriously think that you can accurately predict when you'll need to defend yourself or your family, using the "odds"?

Using your "low odds" theory, couldn't that be argued for almost all of daily life? Yet, stuff happens.

Exactly. Hopefully the odds of needing to draw a CCW are always low.
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I know Disneyland is such a dangerous and heinous destination
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Put down the pipe and take off the were talking about a kids park and not Compton!
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Yeah, plenty or people were probably thinking the same thing while eating lunch at Luby's, or taking a class at Virginia Tech, or watching "The Dark Knight Rises"...
Unfortunately, "danger" doesn't stay confined in obviously "dangerous" places, which is why CCWs should be shall issue to all legal gun owners.
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This topic is a joke...Move on and leave your firearms at home. No one needs that at Disneyland.
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Yeah, plenty or people were probably thinking the same thing while eating lunch at Luby's, or taking a class at Virginia Tech, or watching "The Dark Knight Rises"...
Unfortunately, "danger" doesn't stay confined in obviously "dangerous" places, which is why CCWs should be shall issue to all legal gun owners.

Well said.
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Every time I read these threads it sounds like the Anaheim PD is working for Disneyland. Why should they be verifying Concealed Carry permits to store a firearm? Does Disney pay for these confirmation? It would seem the PD should have better things to do.
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This topic is a joke...Move on and leave your firearms at home. No one needs that at Disneyland.
Many would say: " . . .Move on and leave your firearms at home. No one needs that at Disneyland in California."
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I disagree. You never know when something bad will happen. If you were a terrorist, do you go somewhere SOFT or HARD. You assume Disney is safe, but can anyplace open to the public actually be. I lived in Turkey for over 2 years. Everywhere you went, public stores included, you either were checked by a metal detector or hand patted AND I still barely escaped an explosion from the PKK.

I know, this isn't Turkey, but their security was higher than Disney. Also, you have to walk or drive to and from Disney. How about the Dark Night movie, or that guy leaving the sports event who ended up in a coma?

Carrying a CCW is no big deal, been carrying one for years, its like my wallet or watch. It stays hidden and hopefully is not needed. But, if God Forbid, you Do need it, then what? Do you say, oh I thought this place was safe? Do you only wear your seatbelt on dangerous roads?

CCW is only a big deal if we treat it like a big deal. Its just a tool, I'm the weapon.
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I'm totally with you. It's always the ones without a clue that want to play the games.

My guess is the goofballs don't have an active CCW issued to them, so they say stupid stuff. If you have a CCW it can be taken if you don't respect private policies. So just ignore the tards with nothing to lose. If you mess around and the issuing agency finds out, you could lose your CCW.
Bahaha. The FUD is strong with this one.

Here's a hint dude....Librarian is one of the most accurate sources of information on this site. If he, bwiese (Bill), wildhawker (Brandon), or hoffmang (Gene) say something, you can bet your *** on it.

Alternatively, you can keep bowing to people and LEA's preferences and hope they don't take your privilege away.

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This original post of mine is intended for proper storage of a ccw holders firearm if they wish to carry up to the entrance. This is not about carrying in the park, that's for someone else to post if they're so inclined. I posted the information I gathered from local law enforcement and Disney security regarding rules that they feel apply as a means of additional information only. I could care less if others wish to argue over why or why not to carry in the park, but that's not the intent here. To each his/her own respectively. And one more thing, Librarian does an excellent job of responding with logical/helpful information. It's people like him who make a difference.

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