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Old 07-11-2013, 3:03 PM
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I have always used Andy Cauble at Walker 47 in Anaheim for out of state purchases and FTF transfers. $50. plus Dros.
Andy is a great guy with a store front gun shop and very accommodating.
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Old 09-12-2013, 6:17 PM
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Many had been asking, so I think, maybe we can keep a list going, and we'll try to keep it updated.

By the way, for person-to-person in-store transfer, FFL is limited to $10 on top of the DROS fee. (PC section 12072(d))
I presume this list is still being updated, seeing a late-2012 update to the OP.

I may need to do a PPT of an OLL at some point in the near future, I presume that the bold-face text above means that, at most, an in-person PPT should be $35/transfer (including the DROS fee)?

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Most of the fees listed is incorrect. I called Castro Valley Gun Shop and their fee is $150 plus $30 for DROS
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Some datapoints for Los Angeles
Bain Davis, San Gabriel - $110 fee + $25 DROS
Aces Pawn, West Covina - $35 fee + $25 DROS. $10 discount for Calguns members
Pacific Coast Firearms, OC - $25 fee + $25 DROS
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In the Palm Springs / Palm Desert area:

Second Amendment Sports / 760.200.4867 $40 / $100 If you want to transfer in a gun that they carry for sale. Private party transfers (both parties onsite) are just $10, $35 with the DROS fee and no sales tax for instate transfers.
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We are in Brea.

Redfield Armory

Longguns and lowers $45 (includes DROS)
Multiple lowers are $15 per.
Handguns $50 (includes DROS)
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Hillcrest pawn brokers (already on list) is $65 as I just did a transfer on Thursday, 11-21-2013
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Lokey Firearms - $105 + DROS
Roger's Relics - $55 ea long gun, $25 each there after + DROS
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Most of the fees listed is incorrect. I called Castro Valley Gun Shop and their fee is $150 plus $30 for DROS
I was under the impression yhat the DROS fee was state-limited to a max. of $25.00

So maybe whoever answered the phone didn't know what they were talking about?

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Lokey Firearms - $105 + DROS
Roger's Relics - $55 ea long gun, $25 each there after + DROS
I did one 6 months ago at Lokey, wasn't 105...more like 50 or 60 total.

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I was under the impression yhat the DROS fee was state-limited to a max. of $25.00
It is actually illegal to misrepresent the DROS fee as anything other than $25 ($19 + $5 + $1).
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PACWest Firearms in Yorba Linda:

Total fee not including FFL: $20.00

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Kaufmann Tactical Firearms in Fresno charges $70 for ppts. Stanky!
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Roger's Relics was $65 + DROS + tax for new handgun or long gun.

They also mentioned they are REQUIRED to due PPT for only $10 + DROS and don't like it but they "have to".

My understanding is if you refuse to do them for the measly $10 your FFL can be messed with.

Forgot to ask if that includes any used guns from Gunbroker etc shipped from anywhere to them.
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Roger's Relics was $65 + DROS + tax for new handgun or long gun.

They also mentioned they are REQUIRED to due PPT for only $10 + DROS and don't like it but they "have to".

My understanding is if you refuse to do them for the measly $10 your FFL can be messed with.

Forgot to ask if that includes any used guns from Gunbroker etc shipped from anywhere to them.
Shipped firearms are NEVER a PPT. A PPT is when two CA residents meet face to face at a CA dealer to consummate a sale.

Shipped transfers are not subject to regulation of the price that the FFL may charge.
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Default FFL transfer Fees + DROS in the Inland Empire

So I am planning on getting a new gun so I was shopping around today (08/13/14) for low FFL fees, here is what I found as of 4PM. These prices are the DROS and Transfer Fee:

Highland Pawn
Highland
(909) 864-3800
$40

Highland Guns
Highland
(909) 862-3434
$40

Back Alley Mercantile
Menifee
(951) 246-6070
$50

Elm Enterprises
Corona
(951)532-0177
$55

Safe
(951) 377-1484
Sun City
$70

K&D Gunsmithing
(951) 475-8888
$72

Inland Jewelery & Loan
Riverside
(951) 781-4063
$86.40

I live in the Inland Empire and all these shops are located in the Inland Empire.
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Guns Direct in Burbank is $80+Dros. Not sure if I can really do better considering the cost of gas both ways.

Also I'm new to CA but whats with the tax collection on transfers? How can they verify the amount of a private sale? Is there a way around it without too much hassle with the IRS?
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Guns Direct in Burbank is $80+Dros. Not sure if I can really do better considering the cost of gas both ways.
It depends on where you live. Sales tax is less in Ventura County, as well as fees being less.

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The CA FFL has to collect sales tax. Trying to avoid it is tax evasion and posting about trying to do that on a public forum is not a good idea. If you cause a problem for the FFL, the FFL might refuse to do the transfer and that could cost you a lot more.

Sales tax is a CA BOE issue, not IRS.

I personally hate having to collect the sales tax, but worse than that are those who try to put the FFL is a very bad position.
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Old 09-13-2014, 1:39 PM
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It depends on where you live. Sales tax is less in Ventura County, as well as fees being less.



The CA FFL has to collect sales tax. Trying to avoid it is tax evasion and posting about trying to do that on a public forum is not a good idea. If you cause a problem for the FFL, the FFL might refuse to do the transfer and that could cost you a lot more.

Sales tax is a CA BOE issue, not IRS.

I personally hate having to collect the sales tax, but worse than that are those who try to put the FFL is a very bad position.
I didn't mean to solicit any advice that would not be legal. I was just curious how or if CA FFLs verify private party selling prices. Do they ignore the actual sales price(which can be difficult or impossible to verify) and just use a median value for the item?

I thought there was a federal case that concluded that states cannot collect sales tax for out of state purchases?

Edit: anyway I get the FFLs probably don't want to stand up to this just to draw attention to their business with no real gain for business. I'm still just curious about the thought process and actual regulation and precedent that supports the status quo.

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I personally hate having to collect the sales tax, but worse than that are those who try to put the FFL is a very bad position.
Yup, we don't like collecting it anymore than people like paying it.

Don't lie and try to BS your dealer, we know you didn't pay $500 for your brand new Scar 17. Remember it's your FFL that deals with the BOE.
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I didn't mean to solicit any advice that would not be legal.
Hmmm, look at what you wrote: "Is there a way around it without too much hassle with the IRS?". Do you think that a way around it would be legal? Really?

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I was just curious how or if CA FFLs verify private party selling prices. Do they ignore the actual sales price(which can be difficult or impossible to verify) and just use a median value for the item?
A receipt, an auction web listing, etc. If they ask for proof of what it sold for or if the proof seems to be bogus, the FFL could use MSRP or some high amount to ensure that it is not too low. Or the FFL could refuse to do the transfer.

I had one case where the selling FFL gave a bogus receipt. The original invoice from the distributor was accidentally included, which showed a lower amount. The firearms almost ended up with the police, but the buyers, who did not seem to be part of it (yes, a bit strange), provided copies of their checks. I, as a FFL, will not take the risk of owing money because someone wants to save a little bit of money.

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I thought there was a federal case that concluded that states cannot collect sales tax for out of state purchases?
While you paid for it, CA does not consider it to be sold until it is transferred by a CA retailer or sold by a CA retailer.

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Edit: anyway I get the FFLs probably don't want to stand up to this just to draw attention to their business with no real gain for business. I'm still just curious about the thought process and actual regulation and president that supports the status quo.
It is the customers who are out the money and who would have to stand up against it, but typically the customers think that the FFL should be the one to do something about it.
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Hmmm, look at what you wrote: "Is there a way around it without too much hassle with the IRS?". Do you think that a way around it would be legal? Really?
Well laws are not always so clear cut, especially tax law and internet tax law. I figured I'd ask but now realize I could have worded it better.

And technically speaking, if a buyer lies to an FFL(concerning the sale price), who's liable, the buyer or the FFL or both? Especially in the case you mentioned where the other dealer falsified their documents.

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And technically speaking, if a buyer lies to an FFL(concerning the sale price), who's liable, the buyer or the FFL or both? Especially in the case you mentioned where the other dealer falsified their documents.
The FFL is responsible for submitting the correct sales tax. I was told by the CA BOE that it did not matter if the FFL received a bogus receipt and had no idea that it was not correct. If it was found that not enough sales tax was paid, the FFL would owe it.

In the case of penny auction, the amount owed is based on the TOTAL the company receives on the auction (all bids). Since the company will not say how much they received, the FFL has to base it on the maximum amount possible (or refuse to do the transfer). So if the highest cost of a bid is $1, that would mean that if the auction was "won" for $10, that would be a possible total of $1000, plus the $10 plus the shipping. The problem is that customers think that they should only pay based on the $10.

This is why a FFL should not take any chances with respect to sales tax.
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I did one 6 months ago at Lokey, wasn't 105...more like 50 or 60 total.

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I was going to say the same thing. My buddy just used Lokey for two firearms and although I don't know the exact amount, they were in the $60 range for each.
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The Walnut Creek, CA shop went out of business several years ago.

Contra Costa Collectible 925.937.3376 Walnut Creek

Mike Chance sold to to some employees who tried to keep in going for another year or so, but then the shop closed-up.
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Anyone have any clue on any dealers in the solano county area. Looking to do a online transfer/purchase.
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What are the chances of the OP updating that list. It is way out of date.
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I've been considering buying a gun through mail-order but finding a FFL that is inexpensive is very difficult in the San Francisco Bay Area. Most places charge around $75 fee plus $25 DROS. And that is if they even provide the FFL service.

I wanted to give a shout out to Matt at Fairfield Pawn where I did a PPT for my 1976 Colt Python. The person whom i bought the gun from has used Fairfield Pawn for several other transactions so I trusted him for suggesting a pawn shop. After meeting Matt and visiting the small store, I felt very confident leaving my prized possession in Matts care. Very friendly and clean shop. I would definitely do more transactions through Fairfield Pawn.

When I picked up my Python, I was hanging out shooting the breeze with Matt for about 15 minutes. I saw a posted sign with their FFL fees. I couldn't believe it was just $20. Of course you still have to pay the $25 DROS but it is definitely worth the drive.
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Transfers $75 + DROS $25 + tax per BOE

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I've been considering buying a gun through mail-order but finding a FFL that is inexpensive is very difficult in the San Francisco Bay Area. Most places charge around $75 fee plus $25 DROS. And that is if they even provide the FFL service.
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When I picked up my Python, I was hanging out shooting the breeze with Matt for about 15 minutes. I saw a posted sign with their FFL fees. I couldn't believe it was just $20. Of course you still have to pay the $25 DROS but it is definitely worth the drive.
$20 is dirt cheap.
Normally, you're only going to get rates like that from "kitchen table" FFLs.

The most reasonable in SoCal (metro) is around $55. $75 is not cheap, but not unreasonable given the market.
We have a lot that charge $125+... they don't really want to do them, so they are going to make it worth their while.
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Vandenberg Rod & Gun Club charges...

25.00 for DROS if you purchase the gun from them.
25.00 for DROS and a 20.00 charge for a personal transfer
25.00 for DROS and 30.00 for use of their FFL

You need to be a member to use their services.
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Vandenberg Rod & Gun Club charges...

25.00 for DROS if you purchase the gun from them.
25.00 for DROS and a 20.00 charge for a personal transfer
25.00 for DROS and 30.00 for use of their FFL

You need to be a member to use their services.
By law, they are required to do PPTs.

If they are charging $20 for a PPT, that is illegal as the max fee is $10.
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By law, they are required to do PPTs.

If they are charging $20 for a PPT, that is illegal as the max fee is $10.
Must be a lot of FFLs breaking the law here. I've seen prices up to and over 75.00!
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Old 10-13-2015, 1:57 PM
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Remember a PPT is only between CA residents who visit the same FFL.

A lot of people think a PPT is anytime they buy something from an individual.
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