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BREAKING: President Trump directs Justice Department to ban gun modifications like bump stocks used in Las Vegas massacre.
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You have to give the rabid dogs a tidbit?
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Disappointing to say the least. Why is he giving in to the rabid lefts demands.
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Trump merely signed a memorandum ordering the justice department to LOOK INTO this.
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Disappointing to say the least. Why is he giving in to the rabid lefts demands.

You don't understand Trump yet? He'll ask the DOJ to look into it, but then he'll probably tell the libs he'll ban bumpstocks in exchange for national CCW reciprocity. Same thing as he did with DACA, offer something to the libs they seem to be so passionate about in exchange for funding the wall.

He comes out smelling like a rose. Offer to ban an "evil" but let's face it worthless trinket in exchange for something we could all use. The libs don't want safety, they want complete disarmament.
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if the republicans start with the banning of 2a rights, it will be their death in the political arena
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Trump hasn't closed the door to an AWB according to WH. Ouch.

https://youtu.be/zWMuzBjwzoU?t=46m Get ready for some feels at 46m10s.

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I encourage the mods to consolidate as they see fit.

That being said, there wasn't anything I easily found when I posted, and everything I found after that was posted in OT.

Given that bumpsters are gun related, I felt it more germane to "gun discussions" versus OT.
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There are 4 now starting at 1:12 pm/ I was watching on cnbc which I never watch when it was announced. Ruined my day. Next they said Banks should control assault weapons purchases by not allowing use of credit cards as a deterrent. More utter BS. I need a sign on the back of my Tahoe (WANTED 2 SHORT LIBTARDS FOR MUDFLAPS' MUST HAVE CHROME SHOES)

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Dies thst include slide fire?

So what's the new name going to be?

Doesn't effect me and I don't have a use for one.
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There are 4 now starting at 1:12 pm/ I was watching on cnbc which I never watch when it was announced. Ruined my day. Next they said Banks should control assault weapons purcheases by not allowing use of credit cards as a deterrent. More utter BS.
I caught it on reddit - also a shock to my day.
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Yep I was looking for stock market closing bell and caught this.
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I kinda get where the President is going with this.

History shows pretty clearly that attempting to appease the other team never ends well.
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Doesn't effect me and I don't have a use for one.
Yup... I never even knew what one was until the Vegas shooting. Dont have any use for one either and would never consider putting something like that on one of my many AR rifles.
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Doesn't effect me and I don't have a use for one.
Until they come for something that does matter to you. Fragmenting support is right out of the playbook. Maybe semi-autos with detachable magazines next?
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much ado about nothing. he asked the doj to look into it, not ban it. fake news.

further, the nra has already stated that they do not agree with bump stock use.

i personally dont care about bump stocks or if they were illegal. imo they are a toy used by morons. i thank god the vegas shooter was an idiot and used them. if he had skill, he would have used controlled groups to inflict far more effective fire.
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much ado about nothing. he asked the doj to look into it, not ban it. fake news.

further, the nra has already stated that they do not agree with bump stock use.

i personally dont care about bump stocks or if they were illegal. imo they are a toy used by morons. i thank god the vegas shooter was an idiot and used them. if he had skill, he would have used controlled groups to inflict far more effective fire.
my wife was there and i tell her that very same thing all the time - he could have done quite a bit more damage having a suppressor instead of a bump stock
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Lot of knee jerking. Guy was filmed sawing the barrel off his AR.
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Yep as already stated, Trump didn't ban anyting! Simply told the doj to continue its investigation into the legality of bump stocks. Which they had been doing since last year.
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Lots of predictable responses.
Sad.
Deja vu all over again.
Why not just...
Ban a stock.
Ban a match trigger.
Only 3 rd capacity.
Semi auto = Full auto
Scoped hunting rifle = sniper rifle.
Scopes are only for killing people at long range etc..
... then the response is "it's a stupid thing that I'd ever use, so who cares if it gets banned.".
I heard this same kinda crap in 89.
This stuff always goes full circle and we let our rights deminish.
Hunters were ok with getting rid of AR's & AK's, because they didn't hunt with them. "Can't shoot ducks or pheasants with that!"
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Lot of knee jerking. Guy was filmed sawing the barrel off his AR.
Now a ar pistol lol
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Until they come for something that does matter to you. Fragmenting support is right out of the playbook. Maybe semi-autos with detachable magazines next?
Do you really feel that semi auto and detachable mags are comparable to bump stocks/slide fire?
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Do you really feel that semi auto and detachable mags are comparable to bump stocks/slide fire?
They are to the people wanting to outlaw them.
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Good point, but then so are revolvers and double barrel shotguns.

But are they the same in terms of definition when it comes to the efficient function of a firearm?
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Until they come for something that does matter to you. Fragmenting support is right out of the playbook. Maybe semi-autos with detachable magazines next?
This.

Give no quarter. They have never once given back any rights that were taken and have an insatiable appetite for our constitutional rights.

I do not own any bumpstocks but I will fight tooth and nail to keep them in the hands of those who want them.

Give these *******s NOTHING.
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Good point, but then so are revolvers and double barrel shotguns.

But are they the same in terms of definition when it comes to the efficient function of a firearm?
Put a bump stock on your revolver carbine and let me know if it increases your rate of fire. Where do you put the detachable magazine in on a double barrel?
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Give no quarter. They have never once given back any rights that were taken and have an insatiable appetite for our constitutional rights.

I do not own any bumpstocks but I will fight tooth and nail to keep them in the hands of those who want them.

Give these *******s NOTHING
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I encourage the mods to consolidate as they see fit.

That being said, there wasn't anything I easily found when I posted, and everything I found after that was posted in OT.

Given that bumpsters are gun related, I felt it more germane to "gun discussions" versus OT.
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I to think DJT is drawing out the banners.
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Do you really feel that semi auto and detachable mags are comparable to bump stocks/slide fire?
Doesn't matter. What legitimate cause do they have to ban bump stocks, magazines, or any weapon? All human beings possess an intrinsic right to the most effective means of self defense, and that's up to the individual to determine what that may be, not some power hungry bureaucrat.
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You don't understand Trump yet? He'll ask the DOJ to look into it, but then he'll probably tell the libs he'll ban bumpstocks in exchange for national CCW reciprocity. Same thing as he did with DACA, offer something to the libs they seem to be so passionate about in exchange for funding the wall.

He comes out smelling like a rose. Offer to ban an "evil" but let's face it worthless trinket in exchange for something we could all use. The libs don't want safety, they want complete disarmament.
I will not argue the point you make. That though did cross my mind first.

As a side note: I don't care about bump stocks, they're useless other than for fun. I support peoples rights to by what the hell they want, needs not withstanding. I guess I'm just jaded to the overreaching Kali gov and hearing about "what do you need this for" by people who don't know what the heck they are talking about nor do they care to.

I am more afraid of another compromise with our 2A that will just embolden the left to keep reaching for more.

Do bump stocks matter? It absolutely does when the commies taste blood. Just my opinion but I have had mud thrown on my face before so a grain of salt and all that.
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Great idea voting 3rd party , thats whats done in California and look how free we are !

Regarding bumpstocks this President has not failed on any promise he made during the election and I trust him 100% !

Personally I believe bumpstocks are for the moron shooter who has ZERO marksmanship skills and if it's politically advantageous to throw them under the bus, maybe those folks will learn to shoot instead of wasting ammo once a year or whatever!

If bumpstocks are banned hopefully we get something valuable in return! That seems to be the style of President Trump !
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I'd be curious to know...

1) How many of you oppose abortion and if so, why? Is the right to life more important for an unborn child than it is for a living one?

2) How many of you have lost loved ones in a mass shooting? Would your attitude be different if one of the dead kids was yours?

3) Why hasn't anyone talked about more thorough background checks so that idiots like Cruz are less likely to fall through the cracks?

There's what, over 100 people dead in mass shootings made possible by your beloved ARs and all you seem to be able to think about is your rights and your range toys. Not a word about the dead? Not even prayers?

I agree that it's not the gun, it's the shooter, and that Cruz could just as easily have used another weapon, though it would have been much more difficult for him to kill 17 and injure many more with a knife. The fact remains, he shouldn't have had a gun - any gun - in the first place and especially not a semiauto.

Whether you accept it or not, your "my way or the highway" attitude does not engender much sympathy for allowing private ownership of ARs. So here's a suggestion - do something constructive and figure out how to keep dangerous range toys out of the hands of people like Cruz. Seems to me like requiring the same kind of background check used in Canada for a possession and acquisition license would be a good starting point.
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Doesn't matter. What legitimate cause do they have to ban bump stocks, magazines, or any weapon? All human beings possess an intrinsic right to the most effective means of self defense, and that's up to the individual to determine what that may be, not some power hungry bureaucrat.
Two questions:

Is a bump fire stock more effective/efficient than normal semi-automatic fire?

If it is then why doesn't law enforcement use bump fire?
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I'd be curious to know...

1) How many of you oppose abortion and if so, why? Is the right to life more important for an unborn child than it is for a living one?

2) How many of you have lost loved ones in a mass shooting? Would your attitude be different if one of the dead kids was yours?

3) Why hasn't anyone talked about more thorough background checks so that idiots like Cruz are less likely to fall through the cracks?

There's what, over 100 people dead in mass shootings made possible by your beloved ARs and all you seem to be able to think about is your rights and your range toys. Not a word about the dead? Not even prayers?

I agree that it's not the gun, it's the shooter, and that Cruz could just as easily have used another weapon, though it would have been much more difficult for him to kill 17 and injure many more with a knife. The fact remains, he shouldn't have had a gun - any gun - in the first place and especially not a semiauto.

Whether you accept it or not, your "my way or the highway" attitude does not engender much sympathy for allowing private ownership of ARs. So here's a suggestion - do something constructive and figure out how to keep dangerous range toys out of the hands of people like Cruz. Seems to me like requiring the same kind of background check used in Canada for a possession and acquisition license would be a good starting point.
The "my way or the highway" attitude that I have is more like an unwavering understanding that all humans are created equal and have the same inalienable rights, or something like that. Would background checks keep guns out of the hands of some would be killers? Maybe. But do you trust the same government that plays by its own set of rules to run a fair and responsible licensing scheme? I sure don't, but maybe I'm a bit skeptical since I actually pay attention to what they say and do.

If the politicians are really serious about protecting our kids, they'll come up with the same solution that they use to protect themselves, legitimately trained and armed security. After all, we use guns to protect our banks and courthouses, but not the country's children? Which is more precious?
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I personally don't have a need for a bump stock nor would I ever get one, however, if there's wiggle room in a bump stock ban to include more than just those bump stocks then I can't support it.
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