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Old 09-29-2012, 12:44 AM
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Default New coyote rifle. 223, 243, or 22-250?

I have never owned a rifle in any of the three calibers. Which would you choose and why. Condor zone so i'll have to you use lead free and the prices are close enough to be irrelevant. I have been told that 22-250 will go through barrels quickly, but i doubt i would shoot enough in my life to be a problem.
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Old 09-29-2012, 6:41 AM
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What other calibers do you own? Do you hunt any big game?
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I've gone to cabelas outfitter pattern for the central coast. Works so good the animals and I never see each other.

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Old 09-29-2012, 6:43 AM
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The .223 ammo availability and cheapness for bs plinking is great. For hunting you won't be going through box after box so in reality it doesn't matter.

22.250 is the .223 on steroids. I wouldn't worry about the barrel unless you shoot a LOT and only that rifle. (I'm talking thousands of rounds and I may be wrong but that is with the 4k fps rounds).

.243 can do yotes wonderfully and also deer and pigs.


Any of the 3 will work fine but guys who hunt yotes will chime in and it's been discussed many times so if you use the search function you may find more info than the replies that are posted.
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I've gone to cabelas outfitter pattern for the central coast. Works so good the animals and I never see each other.

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Old 09-29-2012, 7:40 AM
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The 223 has a life span of roughly 5-10k depending on how you shoot it with standard barrels.

The 22-250 will burn out somewhere between 2.5-4K rounds. A 243 varies considerably depending on what you shoot. If you are shooting very light and fast bullets you may burn out a barrel on a 243 with only 1k down the tube. If you shoot only the heavy 100gr+ bullets you may get anywhere from 1.5-2.5K with standard barrels.

The 243 suffers from a shoulder angle that puts the initial hot gas right outside the case neck resulting in shorter barrel life than the powder capacity would lead one to believe. If you want a 243 caliber, but want more barrel life, look at the 6mm Remington or 243WSSM. If you do any high volume varmint hunting or target shooting your barrels will burn out fairly fast. Fast shooting compounds the problem because the barrel does not get a chance to cool and it is the heat that causes the throats to wear out.

Being in a condor zone is limiting. If you just want to hunt varmints I would choose the 223 or 22-250 because they have more non-tox varmint ammo available and are easier to shoot in large volumes. If you want to hunt larger game the 243 has far more suitable bullet options for large game.

If your just hunting coyotes, none of this matters, all of those options will do. I doubt you will shoot it enough to burn out a barrel.

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Old 09-29-2012, 7:51 AM
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^^^ these guys pretty much covered it.
Strictly a Yote rifle? 223
Yotes, and you are the bigger is better kinda guy? 22-250 (more money, less availability)
Yotes and Deer, maybe a pig? .243, 6mm Rem, etc (can shoot bullets from 55gr to 115gr depending on rifling)
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here you go http://images.search.yahoo.com/image...mb=Zbp8hMRNUel
mossberg 223 mvp, it uses ar15 magazines.
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Well, considering that the 223 is the only one readily available in the AR-15, and the AR-15 is the best hunting rifle ever... I don't really understand the question.
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What do you guys think of the 204 Ruger?
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What do you guys think of the 204 Ruger?
The 204 is a very impressive cartridge. It shoots slightly flatter with less wind drift than a 22-250, fits a 223 sized action, has more barrel life than a 22-250, does not heat up as fast as a 22-250, and 204 hunting ammo is the same price as 223 hunting ammo. In short, what's not to like?

I have a 204 in an AR and it kicks butt.

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I just got a .243 for yotes and pig.
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204 love it!!
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:20 AM
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I just bought a. 243 because I feel like its a versatile round I can use for coyote and pig, maybe deer when I get better. But I have a 30-06 too. And I reload now. I will probably rebarrel to 6.5mm once I burn the barrel out.
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:35 AM
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I vote for .22-250 just for performance. A 50-grain Vmax at 3880 fps is accurate and explosive. I have two --Rem 700 and a Sako -- and both are tack-drivers. I doubt you will find enough coyotes to burn out a barrel.
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I have and use all of the cals mentioned.204,223,22-250,243.I prefer the 22-250 for no reason to get in a argument over.I killed many coyotes and deer over the years with a 300 Win Mag.This was do to raising children that required alot of money.Recently I got into a different AR upper in 6.8 SPC.They make them in bolts as well.I pretty much have to agree with lewdogg on his analogy of the 3 calibers you mentioned.
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It depends on what type of hunting that you do and what your hunting and marksmanship skills are.

If you call coyotes and get them into close range (<300 yards) all the time get the 223.

If you shoot more open country where you are locating and stalking coyotes or ambushing them on their travel routes the 22.250 works like magic. Loaded with the 36 grain Barnes VG loaded at 4,400 fps at 200 yards or less it looks like a stick of dynamite hit the coyote. If you buy a 22.250 with a fast twist and shoot the 70 -75 grain bullets at 3,400 fps it's an easy 600 yard gun.

Now the 243 offers you a 58 grain bullet at 3,800 fps that will create chunky rain at 300 yards or less and the 80 grain TTSX at 3,400 fps will kill coyotes out as far as you want to shoot them.

Unless you are really experienced, anything past 400 yards is a risky shot on coyotes so either the 223 or 22.250 will do. If you're not a reloader then the 223 will offer you more options in lead free ammo.
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What caliber do you have? Unless you want to save the pelts, anything works for coyotes.
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Old 09-29-2012, 4:17 PM
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It depends on what type of hunting that you do and what your hunting and marksmanship skills are.

If you call coyotes and get them into close range (<300 yards) all the time get the 223.

If you shoot more open country where you are locating and stalking coyotes or ambushing them on their travel routes the 22.250 works like magic. Loaded with the 36 grain Barnes VG loaded at 4,400 fps at 200 yards or less it looks like a stick of dynamite hit the coyote. If you buy a 22.250 with a fast twist and shoot the 70 -75 grain bullets at 3,400 fps it's an easy 600 yard gun.

Now the 243 offers you a 58 grain bullet at 3,800 fps that will create chunky rain at 300 yards or less and the 80 grain TTSX at 3,400 fps will kill coyotes out as far as you want to shoot them.

Unless you are really experienced, anything past 400 yards is a risky shot on coyotes so either the 223 or 22.250 will do. If you're not a reloader then the 223 will offer you more options in lead free ammo.
That was going to be my next thread. I am not sure how I plan to hunt them yet, but they are getting out of control on the family property. I have only shot one in the last fifteen years and that was with a 22 pistol. They are getting very bold, trying to get my dogs. Some calves have been lost and I cant get a decent nights sleep with all the howling. My only hunting rifle is a 30-30 with open sights. Before the PM's start, The family will not allow any one else to hunt on the property.
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Old 10-11-2012, 6:07 AM
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I vote "YES" for all of the fellow calgunners to come and help so you can get "goodnight sleep" LOL if you don't mind telling which area do you live in and the property is infested with coyotes?
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Old 10-11-2012, 8:41 AM
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While I personally have not hunted for coyotes with 223 or 22/250, I have spent plenty of time hunting with those that have. I have always used a 243 and it never lets me down. I would consider getting a 22-250 but would not use a 223, seen too many animals run off if not shot just right. My Ruger target model in 243 with 70 gr. Nosler BTs has killed many coyotes, foxes, and bobcats over the years. I say 243 and handloads FTW.
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243 all the way
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Old 11-03-2012, 5:09 PM
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I have been a big fan of the 22-250 for over 35 years. As far as a barrel burner goes I have shot over 4000 rounds thru mine. I reload for all my varmint rifles and do not shot max loads which will decrease the life of barrels. I shoot my 22-250 at 3500 fps. But I also enjoy shooting a 204, 222, 6mm and 243 but the 22.250 will always be my favorite.
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A fast-twist .22-250? Really? One Savage that's a 10# 26" brick or a custom gun. More no-lead options? Really? Don't you mean no no-lead options?

Has anyone else here actually reloaded no-lead ammo for a .22-250? I'd say that's a no.

The 36 grain pill is junk. No one wants a 4400 fps bullet or the noise it makes while shooting a coyote, ESPECIALLY a new guy who doesn't know what to make of that not so expert opinion. You'll be lucky to hit a paper plate at 80 yards with the other brass/tungsten .22s.

Some of you love the .204? Has anyone else here actually shot a bunch of coyotes with that POS? Runners. Runners. Runners. And when it really counts: RUNNERS. I'd rather use a .270.
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Old 11-11-2012, 5:11 AM
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October 2012. From a few days scouting and TWO days hunting. +6 more.
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I hunt coyotes specificly for pelts so damage control is a very real concern for me. I use a 22-250 due to my FIL recomendation. He hunts coyotes in North Dakota, long shots on open prairie. Now that I know more I believe the 22-250 might be a bit too much out here for our smaller dogs. Now the 22-250 shines at longer distances so I now try and make stands where I can see the dogs coming from farther away. If they hang up at 300-400 yards, I know the 22-250 has the energy to get em. I now carry my 22-250 AND a 12g to try and cover all ranges. My son carries the 223.
Bad thing, for me, is I LOVE to night hunt. Obviously Im not going to make 300+ yard shots at night, under 100 almost exclusivly. For that, I like to use my 223 or a 12g.
Now this is with factory ammo and I have just recently started to hand load for a couple of my Milsurp rifles and cowboy guns. I will be looking at handloading for the 22-250 and maybe I can load a round that isnt so pelt "unfriendly" at under 200 yards. I think handloading is going to change my opinion. I hope at least.
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I just switched to 6.8 spc. I may use it for elk in 2 weeks if I can get a neck shot.
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No runners for me on the 204.......with the Barnes VG no problem to 300 yds.
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