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Old 02-14-2013, 9:33 AM
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He can still prepare the case, though. Judges like prepared litigants.
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Old 02-14-2013, 9:44 AM
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Having the Post Office press criminal charges would be satisfaction enough for me. Perhaps a threat of incarceration would provoke him to make the proper restitution owed.
Spearhead the effort.

I got scammed on ebay. The dummy sent one email to everybody he scammed stating shipping delays. We had an easy way to contact each other. The Postal Police and US Atty nailed the guy to the wall. I was made whole by Paypal but I still get an occassional letter from the feds about restitution.
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Old 02-14-2013, 9:57 AM
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I would hate for this drama to end without actually finding out where the money went.

Jason keeps saying he didn't steal it, and his story is that costs exceeded moneys paid. I just wish we could all see an itemized invoice showing the costs he incurred.

Since that isn't going to happen, any bets on Jason's excuse when he gets back from Miami why he doesn't have the money?

If a mod could recover my post that was deleted, it would show links where he spent around $3000~ on new firearms near the end of last year. He bought a rare/low production HK pistol which I had to double take myself.

Edit: He's on his youtube almost everyday: http://www.youtube.com/user/theexpertish
Says hes a LEO at 0:30 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XufIOrDY6NI
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:24 AM
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If you got ripped off via mail you need to file with the Postal Police. I swear they hire people who are too mean to work at the DMV. You can file online and it's free. I have done so before.
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I was a moderator here around Y2K prior to Kes taking over the board.

I banned Reed...used a different user name (which I can't remember) but had the same writing style as, obviously, his 20 other aliases.

Thought I heard he was popped by the feds and imprisoned in Florida

Memories..

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I think you're memories are a bit confused.
CGN did not exist in Y2K, Ramon established it in mid-2002 and I was the first Mod he appointed. It wasn't until at least 2004 that a few of us got the ability to ban people and then only one or two Mods.
I think you're thinking of another forum where you were a Mod.

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Honestly, what would it take for Kes to ban Jason from here? Hasn't he done as much damage or more to the honor of Calguns than Reed ever DID? I think stealing $5000 from Calgunners and making no real attempt to pay it back for over one year qualifies for a lifetime ban. At least everyone at Calguns would be getting something for their stolen money then. The fact that he is welcome here after all this time really sucks.....

We've had group buys go bad, it's the nature of the beast, and tried both ways to deal with them.

Banning the person does nothing but shut down the most public and documented form of communication, emails and voicemail can be deleted permanently and then 'I never got that'.
However posts here can only be deleted permanently by Ivan or me and even edit changes are trackable to the Admins.

By leaving him unbanned it gives those he owes a means to communicate with him and with each other. Limiting discussion to just those involved improves the signal to noise ratio and keeps people from stirring up crap and inciting someone to post something that gets them banned.

The longer it goes on the less chance of open communication there is and as such less need to keep the OP unbanned. Especially if he moved to Florida.
The OP is already banned from the Marketplace.

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Who is still owed.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:01 AM
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Someone here knows his address, good time to check if the place is for sale or rent.
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I believe this is correct. Only changes from last time are B. Wong and JCM were refunded. biscuitbarrel was promised a refund but I don't think it happened. Oh, and rollyourown partially bought *back* part of pdq_wizard's chunk but I'm not sure how much. Anybody?


biscuitbarrel - $120
Stryter - $230
Got amo? - $230
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Libertus - $480
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pdq_wizzard - $460
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Old 02-14-2013, 7:43 PM
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I would hate for this drama to end without actually finding out where the money went.

Jason keeps saying he didn't steal it, and his story is that costs exceeded moneys paid. I just wish we could all see an itemized invoice showing the costs he incurred.

Since that isn't going to happen, any bets on Jason's excuse when he gets back from Miami why he doesn't have the money?
I remember one of Jason's excuses for not going to get more guns from Arizona was that he had to pack up and move to a different house/apartment. I wouldn't be surprised if we all helped him out with that hefty first month's rent and security deposit.
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Old 02-18-2013, 5:47 AM
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I think you're memories are a bit confused.
CGN did not exist in Y2K, Ramon established it in mid-2002 and I was the first Mod he appointed. It wasn't until at least 2004 that a few of us got the ability to ban people and then only one or two Mods.
I think you're thinking of another forum where you were a Mod.




We've had group buys go bad, it's the nature of the beast, and tried both ways to deal with them.

Banning the person does nothing but shut down the most public and documented form of communication, emails and voicemail can be deleted permanently and then 'I never got that'.
However posts here can only be deleted permanently by Ivan or me and even edit changes are trackable to the Admins.

By leaving him unbanned it gives those he owes a means to communicate with him and with each other. Limiting discussion to just those involved improves the signal to noise ratio and keeps people from stirring up crap and inciting someone to post something that gets them banned.

The longer it goes on the less chance of open communication there is and as such less need to keep the OP unbanned. Especially if he moved to Florida.
The OP is already banned from the Marketplace.



Excellent question.
I did not realize he was banned from the Marketplace. Thats good enough to protect others from him. As for his location, I have been given info on Jason and his wife as to their current address. I have someone from the SD area going over to see if its legit. If it is I am going to start the small claims process. Should know in a week or two, i'm working on this guys free time so im not pushing it with him.

If I find his address is legit I will post it so everyone who is owed can file suits themselves. All I can get out of Jason is $230. Great for me, but chump change to him if he walks with everyone else's money.
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Old 02-18-2013, 1:15 PM
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lolol at this thread still going on.

I used to feel sorry for you guys but you've allowed him to continually **** you over.
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Old 02-23-2013, 6:47 AM
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Thanks rollyourown. Waiting for that if it is accurate.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:06 PM
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Old 02-24-2013, 3:54 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/user/TheExpertish

He's usually online around 6 hours a day judging by his youtube feed. It's very obvious hes actively ignoring this thread.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:20 PM
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Sorry for the lagging in updates. Wife and I both wound up unemployed which sucked, but it is what it is. I will be able to get out the next round of refunds in a week or two as I have taken a short term gig in Miami which I leave for tonight. I'll be there for two months and will have my computer and everyone's info with me. With some luck the last half of the refunds will be taken care of inside of those 2 months.
The above posted on 2/4/13. So its been another month on Monday since his last "2 week update". He's also probably half way done paying everyone off since he's halfway through his 2 month contract!
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Old 03-03-2013, 4:33 PM
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Like there is no work in a closer state. Ha. C'mon guys, he is gone, gonna rip off a Florida gun page next.
I belong to a couple FL gun boards.

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All the sad face, face palm, angry emoticons aren't going to pay you back, or prevent this from happening again.
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Speaking of which, the trip where he got a few rifles was March 3rd, which means we're over a year since that point.
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All those $110 Mosins we paid for are now selling for $2-300. Keep an eye out for Jason selling our Mosins.
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Old 03-08-2013, 6:38 PM
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Old 03-15-2013, 6:54 AM
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Any intel on his address?

Since small claims charges per case, perhaps a consolidated case (multi plaintiff) will save us time and money vs. doing it individually.
If we allege fraud and move the dollar amount up we could move into civil court... any attorneys out there want to take this on pro-bono? I have email saying the check is going out...

Then comes collecting... well we have not done so well up to this point, I don't expect that to change. All I would expect is a ding on his/her credit reports. Can't fault us for smacking him with that. Not that that matters to Jason. He stole our cash until evidence shows otherwise.

I guess the internet forgot to connect Florida - or there is a hanging chad somewhere here on Calguns with Jasons weekly update.
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I am on another board where a similar situation went bad. They got a local DA involved and the scammer was hit with a larceny or embezzlement charge - forget which. The guy did something like 30 days jail time + court ordered restitution.

Civil claims may not be the only remedy available to you here...

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I got hit on a ponzi scheme, turns out the smcammer was a 15 year old kid! I called the cops expecting to be a statistic and found out there was an active case, I got on the list, appeared in court by phone and a few months later got a full refunds from his dad.
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I believe this is correct. Only changes from last time are B. Wong and JCM were refunded. biscuitbarrel was promised a refund but I don't think it happened. Oh, and rollyourown partially bought *back* part of pdq_wizard's chunk but I'm not sure how much. Anybody?


biscuitbarrel - $120
Stryter - $230
Got amo? - $230
DiogiDoc - $230
ICONIC - $250
oazanki - $115
00Medic - $230
Libertus - $480
mikompc - $105
adam1856 - $200
pdq_wizzard - $460
edrex - $150
flynnjoe - $300
ramrodjan55 - $300
GSwain - $380
ArcherDog - $140
Dan000 - $245
Jel - $270
Patrickt010 - $350
bmacpolo - $115
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Old 03-17-2013, 2:26 AM
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Check his gunbroker account. Last time I checked he was still buying more mosins and bidding on rare hk pistols. Should report him to paypal so he could stop spending the money he owes you guys
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Paypal doesn't allow gun purchases, as most of you know. :-)
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Old 03-19-2013, 9:25 AM
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But if paypal THOUGHT he was buying guns, they'd shut him down in a second!
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But if paypal THOUGHT he was buying guns, they'd shut him down in a second!
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Old 03-24-2013, 7:15 AM
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I was talking to a buddy of mine at the VFW last night (old crusty naval officer and prior JAG) who is a retired civil law attorney. I had my laptop with me and showed him the original sales thread. He said that those who got screwed by this POS might not have a legal case.

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Keep in mind the term "Group Buy" is a relative term. I am buying as many crates as I can afford at the time. This is to better my personal collection. This is a chance for adventure, and to do something most people can't to better their collection. Understand you are placing "Dibs" on leftovers of what I won't be keeping. This is no different than buying several packs of baseball cards with the intent of increasing my chances to get certain MVP's, and trading the rest to my friends. The purpose of paying up front isn't to help me buy more crates. It's to secure your dibs. Money talks and deposits show commitment.
Because of what he stated in the first post in the original thread, specifically in the bolded section, those who "prepaid" only secured their "rights" to buy rifles that Jason may or may not want to sell should he decide that he would liquidate unwanted rifles from his collection. Since he didn't produce any rifles, he had none to decide to sell to "enhance his collection." His original thread states prices for rifles, and those prices constitutes a "Right of First Refusal" (A right given to a person to be the first person allowed to purchase a certain object if it is ever offered for sale.) and is not a "Contract" (An agreement between persons which obliges each party to do or not to do a certain thing.) He did not offer any sort of restitution in his original post to refund your "Right of Refusal" should he not sell any rifles. Since there ended up not being any items for sale, you would have to argue and be able to prove that Jason willfully defrauded the group buy. However since he did end up selling some of the rifles to those who had secured his spot, he would be able to argue that those were the rifles which he decided not to keep, and that he "sold" them for the price that the buyer paid for a Right of First Refusal, with no balance owed.

I'm not an attorney, and you should definately talk to one about your legal briefs before you file them. I google-magic'd some of his terms so I could educate myself and pass on these definitions to you. Only so much you can write on a beer-soaked drink napkin.
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My MO indicated that it was for a "Mosin Nagant Rifle". By accepting it and cashing it, he acknowledged he was planning to exchange my money for a rifle. If he was only offering "slots on a wait list" my MO should not have been cashed then, correct? Hence, at least in my case, it was fraud.
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:58 AM
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Like I said, I'm not a lawyer. And I sure as hell am not advocating for Jason. I'm just repeating a conversation.
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Yet he did not distribute rifles in order of deposits or "dibs" and even distributed rifles people who didn't leave deposits , but paid him when they got them. If he truly has no Mosins and distributed all of them then perhaps he should be reported to the Feds for performing a straw purchase with his FFL. I have tried to pm him and no response. I am ready to let the Fed investigate this and let them see if they feel there was wrongdoing.
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I hate to ask as I am not involved in this (but have followed this whole thing from afar), but has anyone talked to ATF about this even in a hypothetical angle? They really might not like him using his C&R to "enhance his bank account" by collecting money for rifles not intended for his collection and then not delivering said rifles. I am not trying to stir up a hornets nest and I dont know if the "no replies from those not involved" is still in effect.
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This guy, Jackson DKMG, Jackson's 'buddy' or shill, and the guys from Ares should all get together and have a BBQ. They could even make some goofy YouTube videos together.
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