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Old 09-25-2012, 4:24 PM
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Arrow TheExpertish's Mosin GB Refund Thread (No Replies From Those Not Involved)

Since the original FS thread was locked I have decided to continue the updates in a new thread in a more appropriate forum. I don't believe it belongs in OT, and there would be too many trolls wanting to jump on board.

IF YOU ARE NOT INVOLVED DO NOT POST A REPLY

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A) If you're not directly involved, as in a buyer who is out money, don't bother posting they will be deleted and you will be barred from the Commercial sales forum.

B) 'Anonymous' doesn't help anything, fill in the names so it's known who is owed money.

C) No more PM discussions, all matters of this should be public so that everyone involved knows what is going on.
If you're NOT involved see 'A'.

D) Expertish, I want to see a posted list of everyone, by screen name not real name, who sent money, has been paid back or received a rifle and who is still owed money and how much here in this thread.
I will expect this post in a prompt fashion.

These are the requirements for the continuation of this thread, this matter needs to be resolved and the hanger's on and 'I've just got to throw my 2 cents in' people are not helping that to happen.

Let's get this moving and dealt with.
This is per Kestryll's rules in the previous thread and shall be maintained here to keep things peaceful and non-cluttered. Please don't make things hard for the moderators.

Here is the current list.

Refunded List (Already received refunds.)

Surf & Turf
nssurge
650proof (refunded by DiogiDoc)
gimme
rollyourown (refunded by pdq_wizzard)
fabguy - (received 2 rifles, refunded for 2)
Eljay - (received refund from ICONIC, and bellts)
bmacpolo
bellts - (received 3 rifles, refunded for 1)
tigerzden
cdmarquez
68camaro
token123 - (received other rifles in trade)
SOCAL INFIDEL
the_weirdo
hsiehjohn
tacticalteam4
B. Wong
biscuitbarrel
JCM

To-Be Refunded List

Stryter - $230
Got amo? - $230
DiogiDoc - $230 (received 1 rifle, was waiting for 2nd GB)
ICONIC - $250
oazanki - $115
00Medic - $230
Libertus - $480
mikompc - $105 (received 1 ammo)
adam1856 - $200 (received 2 rifles)
pdq_wizzard - $460 (was waiting on 2nd GB)
edrex - $150
flynnjoe - $300
ramrodjan55 - $300
GSwain - $380 (was waiting on 2nd GB)
ArcherDog - $140
Dan000 - $245
Jel - $270
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Old 09-25-2012, 4:56 PM
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This will work, and like Kestryll said "if you are not in this GB do not post"

I'm posting here so I can follow on my phone.
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My new saying is, "when the last informed shooter gets fed up setting the record straight from all the trolls, only trolls will be on Calguns.."
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Old 09-29-2012, 1:07 AM
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Jason,

The whole purpose of your GB was to allow you to cherry pick some nice Mosins from the larger group of rifles.

What happened to these rifles?

If you still have them, I'd like for you to honor your end of the deal and send me 2 of them.

Jel

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Old 09-29-2012, 7:29 AM
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Thanks for the link, does this mean that the 2nd run for mosins is not going to happen then? Is it strictly refunds from this point on?
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Thanks for the link, does this mean that the 2nd run for mosins is not going to happen then? Is it strictly refunds from this point on?
At this point your best bet is to hope for a refund. I don't see any more guns forthcoming, and any indication of such would be seen as a delaying tactic to avoid the inevitable issuing of refunds.
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Old 10-03-2012, 5:58 PM
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Jason, in post 852 of the other thread (back on July 17th) you said that you thought you could be paying back one person every 2 weeks. It has now been 11 weeks and it appears that not single person has been paid back in cash.

1) What made you feel so confident that you could pay back 2 people per month back on 7/17?
2) What has changed such that not one person been paid back in cash yet?
3) Why has the rate of paying people back actually slowed down, especially if you have extra income coming from your wife? Certainly she has received her first paycheck by now.
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Old 10-04-2012, 1:53 PM
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No weekly update... I guess no news is good news for Expertish
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Old 10-04-2012, 2:07 PM
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Update?

Based on your outlined plan, as requested by the mods, the "Refunded List" should be growing and the "To Be Refunded List" should be shrinking.

Obviously refunds are not happening and updates are not being made on time.
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Old 10-05-2012, 6:37 AM
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So I assume the lack of a response means that no progress has been made?
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Old 10-05-2012, 9:51 AM
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Is Jason still living in San Diego? He never mentioned if his wife's new job was in California or not. It would not surprise me if he took off on us.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:33 AM
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Did anyone at least get his phone number and address?

-hanko
I have his # I haven't called in a few months

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There used to be an old saying, "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.."
My new saying is, "when the last informed shooter gets fed up setting the record straight from all the trolls, only trolls will be on Calguns.."
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Old 10-05-2012, 5:10 PM
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Can you give it a try??

thx

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I got his VM so his phone is working,

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There used to be an old saying, "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.."
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Old 10-06-2012, 6:36 AM
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Top, apparently there was some sort of possible solution that was deleted?
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Old 10-06-2012, 1:13 PM
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My perception, and other's perception from pms I've been getting, is that the mods here are very favorable towards Jason.
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There has been a ton of deleted posts. Don't expect any honest opinion of a calguns vendor here.

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Old 10-06-2012, 9:48 PM
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Since it's apparent several posts have been deleted (after the original thread was locked to further posts), I think a moderator owes us an explanation. Why is Jason not being held to the fire for the commitments he promised? Why does it seem like there's a concerted effort to mute any criticism of Jason's behavior? We are all extremely tired of the lies and deception we've been fed and would really like to see some results here.
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Old 10-07-2012, 7:34 AM
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I've been on Calguns for years and this is the first group buy I jumped on. Sadly, it will probably be the last. I would rather have donated the money to a good cause than to have it mysteriously disappear like this.
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Old 10-07-2012, 8:11 AM
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There has been a ton of deleted posts. Don't expect any honest opinion of a calguns vendor here.
Expertish is not a cgn vendor.

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Looks like he's raising money:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=592299

I don't have a dog in the fight. Just stumbled across the thread and remembered seeing the stuff for sale because of the trains. I figured it would be pertinent so I posted it.

Regards,

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Yes, sorry. Been lazy. You can always google the stock number to start with, but I will get on it Monday.
Kinda sums up our experience with Jason. "too lazy" to do anything towards resolving his outstanding debt. And way to turn off a potential buyer by not posting requested pictures a full 6 weeks after "promising" them.
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Old 10-07-2012, 7:44 PM
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PS-filing a Small Claims case seems like a pain-in-@@@ but it will be kinda fun and educational. Good thing to learn how to do in minor case like this so if you really need it ($10,000 new limit in CA IIRC!) you will have better idea of what is and isn't possible. I recommend any of you victims take 1/2 hour and sit in at any local Small Claims session(free and always entertaining, lol) and I think you will see "I SO need to do this".
Good advice here, and something I am looking into.

I had somewhere around 5 posts of mine deleted in the last thread. All deleted posts had links to reporting agencies and questions to Jason as I am out $240, and not one post had an explanation as to why it was deleted. Coming from someone who has moderated forums before, it is poor practice not to give an explanation for censorship.

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Old 10-07-2012, 7:57 PM
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There is nothing set in stone yet, but if anyone is willing to serve as a witness in court (obviously date and time permitting) please PM me. Also, for someone who is not involved monetarily but wants justice, if you would be willing to serve the defendant as a process server (anyone not involved can do this) please PM me.

For the record, I am willing to appear as a witness for anyone else involved.

Also, can someone PM what information they have on Jason? I have everything I would need, but I want to compare with someone else to make sure I have the correct information.

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Old 10-07-2012, 9:01 PM
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There is nothing set in stone yet, but if anyone is willing to serve as a witness in court (obviously date and time permitting) please PM me. Also, for someone who is not involved monetarily but wants justice, if you would be willing to serve the defendant as a process server (anyone not involved can do this) please PM me.

For the record, I am willing to appear as a witness for anyone else involved.

Also, can someone PM what information they have on Jason? I have everything I would need, but I want to compare with someone else to make sure I have the correct information.
Anyone can always PM me for my information. I don't like it being handed around through back door deals when I have said several times that I am available to you guys to discuss whatever.

I am not a moderator, a vendor, nor have I been asking for posts to be deleted. The mods do what they see fit. I haven't likely even seen most of what was deleted.

I haven't been around here in a bit and I do apologize. I did see Cali-gula's offer and I have PM'ed him to discuss things. However, when I said that I have "heirlooms" it is a bit of a misnomer. Not trying to dumb down what I have, but my great-grandfathers old American Arms side-by-side isn't exactly worth a mint. Probably $150 at best. I am apprehensive about selling something I want back to someone I don't know, but I am looking into it.

Again, I am sorry that this GB went down in flames with me at the helm. I admit I am the captain of this fail boat. I am deeply sorry and I can't say it enough.

I can't reiterate enough that I am doing what I can to take care of this as soon as possible. However, I am not having a ton of luck with stuff I have been selling as of yet. Time to lower prices and maybe try eBay, though I hate eBay and PayPal both. I have a few more things I'll be posting for sale tomorrow. Friday is also payday and now that rent is taken care of a refund or two should be in order.

Thanks to everyone who has been patient so far. To those who are fed up; talk to me....yourself. No more having your friends or associates call or email me. With the exception of one helpful emailer, the rest have been polite but irritating. Handle your own business. I'm an approachable person and have continually invited personal dialog. I'll update again on Friday with good news.
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Anyone can always PM me for my information. I don't like it being handed around through back door deals when I have said several times that I am available to you guys to discuss whatever.
It's been shown several times that you will tell several people the same story (as in "you're next for a refund"). I think if you have something to say, let us all see it. That keeps everyone honest. I have no desire to engage in a private conversation with you over this transaction, unless it is to confirm the mailing address of my refund. Everything else should be right here out in the open for all to see.
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Weekly updates were set by the mods, but I self imposed Wednesday. I try to keep to it but sometimes I'm a day or so off, especially if I can post good news. As of today there isn't any. One week away from the wife getting regular paychecks at her new job which is the big plus I mentioned before. She has agreed to help out and this will greatly speed up refunds. I wasn't kidding when I said this would all be over by Xmas. I myself am looking for full time work currently. So far I have not been contacted by anyone interested in my items for trade, and little to no luck on CL. I've tried avoiding eBay but I think I will just have to sell items there. Stay tuned for good news next week.
From the old thread...
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Regardless, to those actually involved ONCE AGAIN, a couple refunds are going out this Friday. Should be able to issue at least one refund every two weeks, with every other week looking more like two or three. We're all caught up from the gap in paychecks so it's steady progress from here. Thanks again to everyone who has been patient thus far.
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07/17/12 you said:

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I can pay back one person every two weeks (cash, PP, MO)
How many people have gotten a refund since then? Zero.

10/10/12 you said:

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Should be able to issue at least one refund every two weeks, with every other week looking more like two or three.
Why should we believe your empty promises as this point?

Incoming snarky answer...

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Again, Friday.
Guys, let's wait one more day and see if he can actually do what he said he'd do for once.
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You no longer have the luxury to hide behind the rules that Kestryll made up for your GB thread
According to who?

I don't recall saying that anywhere.

If you're not involved, stay out.

If you are feel free to ask questions, press for answer or take whatever legal action you wish.

This rule is not intended to 'shield' the OP simply to eliminate the dogpile affect that is so prevalent in these situations.




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If you are not involved in the GB and have an offer/suggestion/proposal for the OP send it via PM.

If you are involved in the GB and have an offer/suggestion/proposal for the OP feel free to post it here.

If you are involved in the GB and feel some legal action is needed feel free to discuss it among the other people involved in the GB here.
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Let me be clear and frank; If you are not a part of this, you don't know what you're talking about in any way, shape or form.

If you are a part of this, I am sorry. I am not hiding, hording, or anything else. I am scared, stressed, worried, and wanting this all to be over with. Anyone who things otherwise is either daft, or completely lacking empathy and understanding. I don't need sympathy, just understanding. I am an unemployed, stay at home Dad, married father of 6. I am not living the high life off the money lost. I get a rent break on my apartment because of our income. I am doing what I can and not holding back. I have approached people I normally wouldn't have and asked for loans. No one is willing to as of yet. The gentleman who offered to buy some of my family guns has not replied. I will probably just pawn them so I can get some quick cash and pay off another person. They are not worth much.

I don't want to be sued. I understand that some of you feel you have no recourse. I ask you to reconsider and contact me. As I have stated before I think involving the court system is a bad idea for everyone involved. I have nightmares of some anti seeing this and trying to take it as far as they can go. We all know this state, and I don't think we want our names attached to new case law. As calgunners we all live in a bit of the grey vagueness of our states laws. I don't want to give them reason to change things.

I have a few refunds going out today. I'll post later who is getting what.
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Okay, as promised, today's people receiving refunds in full are the_weirdo, hsiehjohn, and tacticalteam4. I know it's a little bit out of order, but I will be taking care of that shortly.
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B. Wong - $340
the_weirdo - $150
hsiehjohn - $200
biscuitbarrel - $120
JCM - $130
tacticalteam4 - $240
Stryter - $230
Got amo? - $230
DiogiDoc - $230 (received 1 rifle, was waiting for 2nd GB)
ICONIC - $250 (Was waiting for 2nd GB)
oazanki - $115
00Medic - $230
Libertus - $480
mikompc - $105 (received 1 ammo)
adam1856 - $200 (received 2 rifles)
pdq_wizzard - $460 (was waiting on 2nd GB)
edrex - $150
flynnjoe - $300
ramrodjan55 - $300
GSwain - $380 (was waiting on 2nd GB)
ArcherDog - $140
Dan000 - $245
Jel - $270
Why were they out of order? You refunded $590, but skipped B. Wong who could have had a full refund. tacticalteam4 got his, but the two you skipped would have been an almost identical amount.
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I also wonder why I was skipped when I have pm's saying i was first in line. Is it because I havd been for the most part non vocal?
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Old 10-13-2012, 5:46 PM
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Apparently "small claims" is the magic phrase that gets refunds...
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Old 10-13-2012, 6:05 PM
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I also wonder why I was skipped when I have pm's saying i was first in line. Is it because I havd been for the most part non vocal?
Guess that means I'll be dead last. lol
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Old 10-18-2012, 5:35 PM
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Just wanted to confirm that I received my refund today.
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Old 10-19-2012, 7:24 AM
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That's good to know, I' still wondering why I (as well as others) were skipped when I (and others) could have been paid in full.
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Old 10-19-2012, 7:59 AM
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Yes I was skipped as well. Are more refunds going out today?
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Old 10-19-2012, 8:25 AM
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While I understand the weekly update rule, I don't like that it allows Jason to hide behind it and not acknowledge questions raised. I posted the morning of the 13th, his last log in was that evening. No reason why he shouldn't have answered, except that he seems to steer clear of this thread except for *sometimes* giving us weekly updates ("nothing to report" does not count when questions go unanswered).
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