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Old 09-08-2012, 2:17 PM
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Default Legal AR pistol barrel length?

Recent transplant from WA state. What is the minimum barrel length for an AR pistol?

I have an Olympic arms k23 upper with a 6.5 inch barrel if i slap a inch or two inch pig on there would that matter?

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Old 09-08-2012, 2:36 PM
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there is no minimum length barrel required for an AR-pistol that you already own. It is only when transferring a pistol through a CA-dealer, that barrel length can be an issue.
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Be sure to put a bullet button on it. And, no magazines greater than 10 rounds.
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And make sure you register it within 60 days of importing it into the state.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pd...s/ab991frm.pdf
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there is no minimum length barrel required for an AR-pistol that you already own. It is only when transferring a pistol through a CA-dealer, that barrel length can be an issue.
Can you give us more details. I wasn't aware of a minimum length on handguns in CA.

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Can you give us more details. I wasn't aware of a minimum length on handguns in CA.

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there is no minimum length that a handgun must meet to be legal to possess in CA.

However, in order to transfer a handgun through a dealer in CA, the hangun must be on the ROster (still no minimum barrel length), or else it must be a roster-exempt transfer. If you are personally roster-exempt, there is still no minimum length, but if you are relying of the handgun being roster-exempt itself, it must follow the roster-exemption dimensions.
32100. (a) Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5
(commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to a single-action
revolver that has at least a five-cartridge capacity with a barrel
length of not less than three inches, and meets any of the following
specifications:
(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or
relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of
Federal Regulations.
(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least seven and one-half inches when the handle, frame or receiver,
and barrel are assembled.
(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least seven and one-half inches when the handle, frame or receiver,
and barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for
importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions of
paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18 of the
United States Code.
(b) Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5
(commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to a single-shot
pistol with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that has
an overall length of at least 10 inches when the handle, frame or
receiver, and barrel are assembled
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This doesn't apply to PPTs.. It is only for dealers sales and dealer to dealer transfers..

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there is no minimum length that a handgun must meet to be legal to possess in CA.

However, in order to transfer a handgun through a dealer in CA, the hangun must be on the ROster (still no minimum barrel length), or else it must be a roster-exempt transfer. If you are personally roster-exempt, there is still no minimum length, but if you are relying of the handgun being roster-exempt itself, it must follow the roster-exemption dimensions.
32100. (a) Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5
(commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to a single-action
revolver that has at least a five-cartridge capacity with a barrel
length of not less than three inches, and meets any of the following
specifications:
(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or
relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of
Federal Regulations.
(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least seven and one-half inches when the handle, frame or receiver,
and barrel are assembled.
(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least seven and one-half inches when the handle, frame or receiver,
and barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for
importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions of
paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18 of the
United States Code.
(b) Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5
(commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to a single-shot
pistol with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that has
an overall length of at least 10 inches when the handle, frame or
receiver, and barrel are assembled
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There's also a maximum barrel length for handguns in CA.

Which is why firearms' with a barrel length less than 16" are considered "handguns" in CA. [PC 16530(a)]




Penal Code 16530
(a) As used in this part, the terms "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person," "pistol," and "revolver" apply to and include any device designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any explosion, or other form of combustion, and that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length. These terms also include any device that has a barrel 16 inches or more in length which is designed to be interchanged with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.
(b) Nothing shall prevent a device defined as a "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person," "pistol," or "revolver" from also being found to be a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun.
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This doesn't apply to PPTs.. It is only for dealers sales and dealer to dealer transfers..
He mentions that in his post.

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there is no minimum length that a handgun must meet to be legal to possess in CA.

However, in order to transfer a handgun through a dealer in CA, the hangun must be on the ROster (still no minimum barrel length), or else it must be a roster-exempt transfer. If you are personally roster-exempt, there is still no minimum length, but if you are relying of the handgun being roster-exempt itself, it must follow the roster-exemption dimensions.
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Pheeeew! I thought I was going to have to slap a new barrel on the 6.5 inch Oly Arms upper in order to make it a "legal" AR Pistol. I have a 7.5 inch barrel only I have to have it customized to the Oly Arms ramp angle.

I am glad there is no legal minimum barrel length for an AR pistol I purchased in Washington State and will be importing into California. I am registering it and a few more lowers I purchased from WA.

One last thing all of my lowers were first registered as "Other" in WA since I purchased them stripped. Since this will be the first time I register them as "pistol" using the CA DOJ form will I run into any barrel length issues? Do they first need to be registered as 'pistol" in WA in order to be barrel length exempt when registering them in CA?

hmmm...
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Is there OAL min and max for ar pistol?
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There's also a maximum barrel length for handguns in CA.

Which is why firearms' with a barrel length less than 16" are considered "handguns" in CA. [PC 16530(a)]




Penal Code 16530
(a) As used in this part, the terms "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person," "pistol," and "revolver" apply to and include any device designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any explosion, or other form of combustion, and that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length. These terms also include any device that has a barrel 16 inches or more in length which is designed to be interchanged with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.
(b) Nothing shall prevent a device defined as a "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person," "pistol," or "revolver" from also being found to be a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun.
Reread the bolded part. If the gun is designed to allow for barrel changes, you can have a pistol with any length barrel. I've got a pistol that has a >16" barrel that's perfectly legal to own and use in CA. It's designed so that the barrel is removable and can be switched out, as are most handguns made in the last 50 years.
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Is there OAL min and max for ar pistol?
Well, you can't really have a pistol longer than 26 inches, mainly because it ceases to be a pistol at that point and becomes a "long gun." There's no legal minimum for an AR pistol, but if you could get one to work and be under 8 inches, let me know .
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Is there OAL min and max for ar pistol?
Under Federal laws/regulations...
There is no minimum overall length for handguns.
Maximum overall length for handguns is less than 26".
If it's 26" or greater, then it's a Title 1 other firearm and not a Title 1 handgun.

Under CA laws/regulations...
There is no minimum or maximum overall length for handguns.
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You want to consider going to the gunstore first and ask them what you need to do. Also ask about the lowers. what brand are lowers. If your here in socal, riflegear is your best bet.
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Just a quick question regarding maximum length, If one had a AR pistol with a 14.5 upper and added a non permanent muzzle extention, making it 16", does that still count, because it is not a perm modification?
I hope so. I have a 9" .300 BLK pistol that I sometimes throw a 9" suppressor on. It is on my CCW.
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Just a quick question regarding maximum length, If one had a AR pistol with a 14.5 upper and added a non permanent muzzle extention, making it 16", does that still count, because it is not a perm modification?
Why would it matter? There is nothing illegal about going beyond 16" barrel length, the point is beyond that it won't be classified as a handgun in CA anymore.
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