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Old 08-30-2012, 5:02 AM
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This is the cheapest gun I have ever had. I bought because it is cheap small, and cute. I just get my Phoenix Arms HP22A last week. And I have shot more than 3000 rounds in these days. I have to tell those people who said HP22A is junk, this gun is really fun at its price, only 150. I use all high velocity ammo for the 3000 rounds, and my gun is not damage at all. And this gun is also very accurate. I can always shoot 8,9 or 10 after I get used to this gun. This gun is also pretty reliable, only about 3-5 jams at the first 300 round and no more jam after. I am not trying to make an advertisement about this gun, but I am just want to tell people that some SUPER BAD comment about HP22A somewhere online is not true at all, from my personal experience, at least this gun is not a junk. ppl saying this is probably just because phoenix arms is not as famous as glock, sw, hk, sig, etc.....
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have you checked the frame for cracks at around the top of the mag well?
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i fully disassemble the gun and no damage is found. seriously. i almost feel like i was making an ad, but my experience with that gun is really good, just really want to share.
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I HAVE TO AGREE. MINE ARE THE SAME. I LOVE THEM.
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I had one. My wife put about 2500 rounds through it. The feed ramp lips wore down, the slide edges got burrs, and the gun would no longer cycle.

But so what.
For $150, she got a year's good use out of it, and got comfortable loading, and racking it.
Wasn't cost effective to repair it, so I traded it in for $75 in Ralphs cards.
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I bought mine new to support the Ring of Fire almost destroyed by California and Fed gun laws. Never a problem, but I use standard velocity ammo.
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Im thinking about buying one tomorrow and was gonna ask on this forum...glad I saw this post. Anyone else have experience with this gun..I think im sold on it already but wanna see what owners are saying.
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I bought mine new to support the Ring of Fire almost destroyed by California and Fed gun laws. Never a problem, but I use standard velocity ammo.
You are one smart fellow to use what the manufacturer says to use. If more folks did that there would be less failures of those pistolas. Good for you.
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Mine has been good to me with a little 2k rounds. Just do what PA says and don't use high or hyper velocity ammo and you're GTG.
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Just an FYI, but the Phoenix Arms "lifetime" warranty is only good for two repairs.
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Just an FYI, but the Phoenix Arms "lifetime" warranty is only good for two repairs.
I've known people to send their guns in half a dozen times over a 3 year period with no issues.

(The reason for sending it in so much was that they fired an obscene amount of ammo through it, something to the tune of 30,000. There was an old thread about it at BJJ forums, but when they moved to another server they lost it plus everything else)
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Mine is cracked. I bought it used so I will have to send it in and pay the $50.00 but I did this video with it cracked and it's still shooting just fine and accurate
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Well im off to buy one now...will start my own thread about it after testing.
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This is the cheapest gun I have ever had. I bought because it is cheap small, and cute. I just get my Phoenix Arms HP22A last week. And I have shot more than 3000 rounds in these days. I have to tell those people who said HP22A is junk, this gun is really fun at its price, only 150. I use all high velocity ammo for the 3000 rounds, and my gun is not damage at all. And this gun is also very accurate. I can always shoot 8,9 or 10 after I get used to this gun. This gun is also pretty reliable, only about 3-5 jams at the first 300 round and no more jam after. I am not trying to make an advertisement about this gun, but I am just want to tell people that some SUPER BAD comment about HP22A somewhere online is not true at all, from my personal experience, at least this gun is not a junk. ppl saying this is probably just because phoenix arms is not as famous as glock, sw, hk, sig, etc.....
p.s, I polished the ammo feed ramp to mirror finishing before I start shooting.
good for you, when i got mine i didnt see a lot of horror stories reported, and it has served me well...i only use HV ammo from bulk packs or CCI Mini Mags with the occasional stingers, no cracks, no issues

gotta take a lot of the negative gun reviews on here with a grain of salt, most are just snobs and half the people talkin crap never owned SAID firearm

i havent seen any on SALE at my local turners, but if i do ill snatch up a nickel one, since i already have the blued version
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I have had mine for 2 months and love it. I have some minor issues but love shooting it. I added a Hoge grip to it and it is even better. i only have about 1000 rounds through mine. I still have a long way to go to catch up to some of you. I have a 3" and 5" barrel and prefer shooting it with the 5" barrel.
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I've had one for a few months now but haven't shoot it yet. Bought only because of the price.
Did you guys modify the mag drop? How annoying is to leave it stock?
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never ran it stock, watched all the youtube vidoes about the gun while my 10days was going on...first thing i did was inspect it, clean it, did the safety mods and shot it

never shot it in its stock configuration, pointless, the mods are so easy to do

only thing i wish i would have done was buy the deluxe range kit instead of the std kit, heard the gun shoots better with the longer bbl
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I modified the safety but never cut the mag block (I just bent it out). This part cannot be replaced. If anything goes wrong with the gun and send it in, they will void your warranty due to the modifications. Just order another safety as a back-up if you need to send it in. Not worth losing the lifetime warranty.

My only problem is that you will still have to press the mag release button to reinsert the mag back in.

The 5" barrel is a lot of fun to shoot with. Definitely worth getting if you can.
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FWIW After a few thousand rounds maybe the pin holding the hammer in worked its way out and it snapped the hammer eventually. I hear it's not uncommon.

I'd modified that mag release safety deal, whatever on youtube that little plastic bit, and they replaced it when I had the factory fix my gun. I need to cut it off again!

It's not fair to expect much of a $150 gun. That's a disposeable weapon, not an heirloom. That said, I've gotten $150 worth of use out of it I reckon, and I plan on taking a tactical pistol class with it, too.
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^nice, planning on taking mine to some rimfire matches...when i get some time...love this liitle thing, i also did get my 150 worth out if it, plus more!!!!
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I've had one for a few months now but haven't shoot it yet. Bought only because of the price.
Did you guys modify the mag drop? How annoying is to leave it stock?


I would make the following additions:

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Custom improvised holster (Brown paper bag )

Perhaps a hidden compartment for it in my Impala (Behind the airvents would work)
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that would be the two barrels and two mags in all 'blue'.

Just not fan of two tone, though some guy posted really cool looking Stainless Barreta with alum grips. Hmmm, have to hit up machinist buddy...how hard could it be.


For the price and 'better any gun than none' I'd say it is still a bargain at $150 for 3000rd life. Put a 1000rds through it to build confidence in its reliability and then buy another and only 'exercise' the old one a 100rds a year.
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I bought mine new to support the Ring of Fire almost destroyed by California and Fed gun laws...
Ditto! Works great for me. Nice cheap little shooter. Though I'm not that accurate with it.
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have you checked the frame for cracks at around the top of the mag well?
Ditto.

I have had two out of two develop frame cracks and I am not a gun snob.

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You are one smart fellow to use what the manufacturer says to use. If more folks did that there would be less failures of those pistolas. Good for you.
I used standard velocity ammo by CCI and I still got the frame crack. I've got pictures to prove it. This was my 2nd HP22a with the same problem.
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I used standard velocity ammo by CCI and I still got the frame crack. I've got pictures to prove it. This was my 2nd HP22a with the same problem.
I don't mean to dog this gun because it is fun to shoot. But, I have quantifiable evidence that says that these guns are defective. If you want a gun with a useful life of 2-3,000 rounds that will develop a frame crack. This is the gun to buy. Otherwise look elsewhere.

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that would be the two barrels and two mags in all 'blue'.

Just not fan of two tone, though some guy posted really cool looking Stainless Barreta with alum grips. Hmmm, have to hit up machinist buddy...how hard could it be.


For the price and 'better any gun than none' I'd say it is still a bargain at $150 for 3000rd life. Put a 1000rds through it to build confidence in its reliability and then buy another and only 'exercise' the old one a 100rds a year.
Or, buy one for $300 or so that will last a lifetime from another manufacturer. I am all for supporting gun manufacturers from California. But, come on Phoenix Arms, make the necessary changes so that it won't fail and come out with the HP22B.
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Here is a link to my original review of my 2nd HP22a:
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Here is a link to my original review of my 2nd HP22a:
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Please take a look at the pictures of my HP22a:
from different owners, do the cracks all happen in the same area?
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is it true Pheonix Arms is no longer in business????
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is it true Pheonix Arms is no longer in business????
A couple of months ago I saw a post about this. But, I couldn't find any bankruptcy filings in their name in San Bernardino County.

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I just got one of these guns in nickel finish. I took it to the range yesterday. During this time of the first 100 rounds (APPX), the gun would jam frequently. The main problem being the magazine. The cartridges would point strait up instead of being fed into the chamber correctly. In other words, the magazine does not support the .22 cartridges very well, even loading the magazine up, the cartridges would pop strait up. Also, some of the shells would not get ejected, so I had to use my knife to easily pry it out. Upon prying it out and looking at it, there was a bulge in the shell towards the rim that might indicate that the chamber is not smooth. Is that a correct assumption?

Anyway. After about two hundred rounds, and realizing that the magazine works best with the gun when only 8 cartridges are loaded instead of 10, the gun started working much better! I had no jams, and I hit a couple bulls eyes at 10 and 15 yards. I had fun with the gun, but hopefully the aftermarket magazines are better made.

Also, does anyone else's barrel not line up perfectly to the slide. I mean the top of the barrel and top of the slide, where the rib-venting is?

Now that the gun is more broken in, I will have to go to the range again and see how much better the experience is.
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well i think mine has started to show some areas where a "crack" may show up...will report back after next range trip...so far im closer to 4k rounds thru mine ... :fingerscrossed:
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I got a package of recoil springs from PA a couple weeks ago, so somebody was filling orders. Fast shipping, too.

FWIW I wanted a $150 gun, not a $350 one. If that means it cracks because I shot the heck out of it and I have to ship it off for free replacement, well, it's worth it to me.

For what I want to use it for, that's acceptable. For you, maybe not. Fine.
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I was just reading about these little guns because I was thinking of buying a new one and must admit this is the 1st time I had read anything on these guns since acquiring my used one almost 2 years ago. That said I will be doing more research on these cracks that some of y'all have been discussing, but mine has performed flawlessly and for the most part goes everywhere I go. I have been impressed with this cheap little guns accuracy and have considered ordering the 5" barrel, though I have no issues with the short barreled version and it does fit nice in my back pocket...
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This is the cheapest gun I have ever had. I bought because it is cheap small, and cute. I just get my Phoenix Arms HP22A last week. And I have shot more than 3000 rounds in these days. I have to tell those people who said HP22A is junk, this gun is really fun at its price, only 150. I use all high velocity ammo for the 3000 rounds, and my gun is not damage at all. And this gun is also very accurate. I can always shoot 8,9 or 10 after I get used to this gun. This gun is also pretty reliable, only about 3-5 jams at the first 300 round and no more jam after. I am not trying to make an advertisement about this gun, but I am just want to tell people that some SUPER BAD comment about HP22A somewhere online is not true at all, from my personal experience, at least this gun is not a junk. ppl saying this is probably just because phoenix arms is not as famous as glock, sw, hk, sig, etc.....
p.s, I polished the ammo feed ramp to mirror finishing before I start shooting.
1. DO NOT SHOOT HIGH VELOCITY OR HYPER VELOCITY IN THE HP22A. THAT WILL CRACK THE FIREARM.

2. IT IS TO BE USED WITH SUBSONIC / STANDARD VELOCITY LEAD ROUND NOSE IN THE 950 FPS to 1150 FPS RANGE.

3. It is an unfinished firearm - hence why it's so cheap. Install both barrels, work the slide a dozen times. Note the blemishes. Using emery cloth and a light oil, work it. When the slide closes ENTIRELY 100% all by itself for both the 3" and 5" barrels, it is a finished firearm and ready for use.

4. It is a great firearm for persons with a methodical personality - due to the excessive safety features and the lack of clear communication as to whether it's a misfire or an empty state. Thank your wonderful politicians in Sacramento for that.

5. It is not a firearm for a new shooter - or a person who wants to get to the point in 15 minutes or less free of hassles.

Reply is both for the OP from the wayback machine...and for current prospective buyers.

Overall it's a fun plinker for those with a methodical personality.

=8-|

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^ I agree. These are great guns and very fun to shoot. My frame cracked and they replaced it. I sold the new gun but I sometimes miss it.
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