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Old 08-28-2012, 3:38 PM
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C'mon H&K, I want one! When will you guys have a civilian model! Just neuter it and put a bullet button and your go to go in Kali.
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They are coming around. The hk mr556 and mr762 are a huge jump in the right direction.

Not like the neutered hk USC and sl8....

Maybe another 5-10 yrs?
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Who would have access to one in civilian world besides Class III dealers?
They do sell rounds, about 50% more pricier than 5.7x28mm round.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/832...fire-box-of-50
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HK's marketing division is obviously run by retards and that's being nice.

They needed the GSG 5 to push them into the rimfire business. You would think they come out with a .22 USP for the thousands of USP owners or something but they haven't. There is a G36 kit for the Ruger 10/22 but HK won't release their own rimfire G36.

They also decided not to offer civilian version of the MP5 despite a handful of companies making them and civilians lust for them.HK must get a load of business from the military because they are wasting so much potential in the civilian market.
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They also decided not to offer civilian version of the MP5.
God I would buy one in a heart beat. They would make MILLIONS !
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Given what ammo would cost and thinking about what a goof troop civy model would look like with a 16in bbl? Meh
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God I would buy one in a heart beat. They would make MILLIONS !
People jump on $1,000 used coharie MP5s and other brands like Vector or what not. Now who wouldn't pay $1,500 for a brand new German made HK-MP5? They need to make one and price it below the USC.

There is a shortage of factory 9mm carbines. You have the JR carbine and the Hi-Point, neither are nearly as desirable as the MP5. It's not like HK needs to go back to the drawing board and sink money into R&D.
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People jump on $1,000 used coharie MP5s and other brands like Vector or what not. Now who wouldn't pay $1,500 for a brand new German made HK-MP5? They need to make one and price it below the USC.

There is a shortage of factory 9mm carbines. You have the JR carbine and the Hi-Point, neither are nearly as desirable as the MP5. It's not like HK needs to go back to the drawing board and sink money into R&D.
no joke. I bet people would pay $2000 for a MP5. HK weapons are like gold !
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A buddy of mine that was up until recently a PMC told me HK sells MP5s to pros for pretty cheap these days. Its obviously an old platform, so they dont need to catch up on RnD costs or anything, it could be a huge profit center for them if they reintro'd the Mp5
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Who would have access to one in civilian world besides Class III dealers?
They do sell rounds, about 50% more pricier than 5.7x28mm round.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/832...fire-box-of-50
There's a guy is (?) Washington (?) IIRC, who re-chambered his MP7 to 5.7.
What a blast that is...
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If they made it as a pistol, the MP7 would be CA legal as long as the barrel wasn't threaded, and it was either tested or brought in as SSE.

I wonder how effective the thing is- it's effectively a .17 HMR, correct?

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An open letter to the gun community from HK’s marketing department:

In a world of compromises, some people put the bullets in the magazine backwards…But it doesn’t matter, because our gun is on the cover of the Rainbow Six video games. Look how cool that SEAL coming out of the water looks… If you buy a $2,000 SOCOM, you will be that cool of an operator too. And chicks will dig you.

At HK, we stuck a piston on an AR15, just like a bunch of other companies have done, dating back to about 1969. However ours is better, because we refuse to sell it to civilians. Because you suck, and we hate you.

Our XM8 is the greatest rifle ever developed. It may melt, and it doesn’t fit any accessories known to man, but that is your fault. If you were a real operator, you would love it. Once again, look at Rainbow Six, that G36 sure is cool isn’t it? Yeah, you know you want one.And by the way, check out our new HK45. We decided that humans don’t need to release the magazine with their thumbs. If you were a really manly teutonic operator, you would be able to reach the controls. Plus we’ve fired 100,000,000 rounds through one with zero malfunctions, and that was while it was buried in a lake of molten lava, on the moon. If you don’t believe us, it is because you aren’t a real operator.

By the way, our cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns like the G3 and MP5 are the bestest things ever, and totally worth asinine scalpers prices, but note that cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns from other countries are commie garbage. Not that it matters, because you’re civilians, so we won’t sell them to you anyway. Because you suck, and we hate you, but we know you’ll be back. We can beat you down like a trailer park wife, but you’ll come back, you always do.

Buy our stuff.

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HK's marketing division is obviously run by retards and that's being nice.

They needed the GSG 5 to push them into the rimfire business. You would think they come out with a .22 USP for the thousands of USP owners or something but they haven't. There is a G36 kit for the Ruger 10/22 but HK won't release their own rimfire G36.

They also decided not to offer civilian version of the MP5 despite a handful of companies making them and civilians lust for them.HK must get a load of business from the military because they are wasting so much potential in the civilian market.


Yes they did, it's called the hk94( which came out in the early 80s) and was banned by name in the 2000 awb. The also made the sp89 in late 80s early 90s which is a semi mp5k. U can sometimes find these for 4500 in ca today. And I will say the sp89 is a blast as i shot one a month back or so.
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Meh, 16" Barrel, plastic stock, it just turns it into a heavy, long 9mm carbine. My Vector Uzi is a 16" barrel, wooden stock in 9mm that weighs a ton. But unlike the HKs, my Vector only costs about $800.00, such a better value.
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Lol an Uzi over mp5...
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no joke. I bet people would pay $2000 for a MP5. HK weapons are like gold !
I agree with you. I have purchased a couple of years ago an MP5 clone from Turner Fabrications which is one of my priced possession sitting in my safe. $2100 OTD from Atlantic to FCA.
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If they made a Civie version of the MP5 I'd be all over that, as with many people. The MP7 would rock too...but I'd have to take out a second mortgage for the ammunition lol
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Lol an Uzi over mp5...
Don't know if you have ever shot both but the Uzi is preferred by some over the MP5. If you offer one or the other for free, I would take the MP5/HK94 but the HKs are massively overpriced, the welds usually look pretty cheesy and they are a PITA to break down for cleaning repair. Parts are a ton more expensive and harder to get too.

My point is that if you want a 9mm SA carbine that regardless is going to be big, long and clunky, the Uzi is a better value. If it were FA, I would prefer the HK, but at $25k to $30k versus $7,500.00 for an Uzi, is the HK four times better? I don't think so. It's true too, HK does hate you. Who wants to buy a gun from a company that is flipping you the bird? ;-)
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Don't know if you have ever shot both but the Uzi is preferred by some over the MP5. If you offer one or the other for free, I would take the MP5/HK94 but the HKs are massively overpriced, the welds usually look pretty cheesy and they are a PITA to break down for cleaning repair. Parts are a ton more expensive and harder to get too.

My point is that if you want a 9mm SA carbine that regardless is going to be big, long and clunky, the Uzi is a better value. If it were FA, I would prefer the HK, but at $25k to $30k versus $7,500.00 for an Uzi, is the HK four times better? I don't think so. It's true too, HK does hate you. Who wants to buy a gun from a company that is flipping you the bird? ;-)
I have to say that I think this is a pretty honest opinion.

I really don't believe most of you would purchase an MP5, even if HK gave you the chance. I don't think $1500.00, or even $2000.00 is very realistic and at the price they would charge, I just don't think most of you would go through with it.

As to the original post, a neutered MP7; it's not a carbine, it's a PDW. What would you do with a PDW that has a 16" barrel on it, a fixed stock and a bullet button. Doesn't make a lot of sense, at least not to me. In PDW form, as it's meant to be, great. In the above form, no. And should we even render a guess at what the price would be for one.
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I always liked the badassery looks of the HK. It looks great and it probably fun to shoot as well. Isn't this what we buy our toys for?
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Don't know if you have ever shot both but the Uzi is preferred by some over the MP5. If you offer one or the other for free, I would take the MP5/HK94 but the HKs are massively overpriced, the welds usually look pretty cheesy and they are a PITA to break down for cleaning repair. Parts are a ton more expensive and harder to get too.

My point is that if you want a 9mm SA carbine that regardless is going to be big, long and clunky, the Uzi is a better value. If it were FA, I would prefer the HK, but at $25k to $30k versus $7,500.00 for an Uzi, is the HK four times better? I don't think so. It's true too, HK does hate you. Who wants to buy a gun from a company that is flipping you the bird? ;-)
Wrong.. Transferable mp5s are in the 15 to 25 range... Parts are easy to get. And they break down easy as **** with there pins. Who wants a better value when ur talking Class 3. Not to mention that sear in the mp5 can be swapped in almost any hk rifle in 9mm .223 or .308..... So ya.. It's worth it.
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Others that posted on here have to be right about HK making a killing off government contracts, foreign and domestic. Most business men will try to squeeze money out of every possible market. They must see a lot of work, time, and investment with not a huge profit margin for them to decide not to enter the civilian market. But you better believe I would pay 2k for an MP5 any day along with tons of others.
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I have to say that I think this is a pretty honest opinion.

I really don't believe most of you would purchase an MP5, even if HK gave you the chance. I don't think $1500.00, or even $2000.00 is very realistic and at the price they would charge, I just don't think most of you would go through with it.

As to the original post, a neutered MP7; it's not a carbine, it's a PDW. What would you do with a PDW that has a 16" barrel on it, a fixed stock and a bullet button. Doesn't make a lot of sense, at least not to me. In PDW form, as it's meant to be, great. In the above form, no. And should we even render a guess at what the price would be for one.

They sold the hk94 in the early 80s for 600. The sp89 for 1200 inthe 90s... Now they sell the sl8 and usc and for under 2000. The mp5/94 is cheap for them to make. It would be under 2000 and I would buy one. The one I'm building now will cost almost that.
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HK hates you.
they rather kiss up to UN with all other countries that will give them billions in contract. Then possible million in sales in US. which mean million in product liability lawsuit, volatile political climate etc.

So before Clone appear on the market.. when their patent expires (decades )look up Styer SPP/B&T TP-9 (9mm) or Master Piece Arm MPA57sst that shoot FN5.7 round.
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I think for the most part H&K doesn't care too much about the civilian market. They don't want to deal with customer support, etc (they'd rather deal with large military complexes rather than a ton of individual opinions/complaints and such). In some ways I can respect that they're not just totally compromising.. or even worse.. creating a bunch of fluff due to the civilian market like Sig has.
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I would be happy with .22 LR version.

I don't think HK hate us or not care about civilian market because HK has to follow German and USA laws and not much they can do. Consider the steps they have to went thru to sell MR556 and 762 in the US, and HK45 and P30 stop by CA Safe Roster law.

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Someone has been playing Call of Duty MW2 eh? Or watching future weapons?
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I've seen them go for up to $30k on subguns.com recently, that's why I wrote that. Not to say that they cannot be found cheaper.

As far as better value for Title II arms, I think that many people who cannot afford an Uzi end up buy a Mac 10 or 11 for half the cost and a lot of people who cannot afford $15k to $25k for H&K MP5 end up buying an Uzi or something else like a Vector clone. It's not all rich guys who buy machine guns, although it certainly helps to be rich to own an H&K.

I agree, if you can afford it, it is worth it, but if you don't have $15k to $25k to drop on a range/subgun match toy, a lot of fun can be had in Title II arms for under $5k. Yes, that removable registered sear does make it a better value.

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Wrong.. Transferable mp5s are in the 15 to 25 range... Parts are easy to get. And they break down easy as **** with there pins. Who wants a better value when ur talking Class 3. Not to mention that sear in the mp5 can be swapped in almost any hk rifle in 9mm .223 or .308..... So ya.. It's worth it.
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You guys are forgetting, they sell directly to drug cartels too but not to us!
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Back to the op.... I think a 22 version of the mp7 would be cool. I really liked the design and styling.

Plus it was in zombieland, so it's coolness factor goes up a couple on notches. Does it really matter the reason to purchase a certain firearm? Whether its a video game or tv show it's the purchasers right. He shouldn't have to justify the reason to anyone.
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A Civilian MP7 would never happen. But if they ever did, it would look messed up like the USC and SL8. Note the MP5/SP89 clones sell extremely well, and HK does not even want to fill that end of the market. Mind you the 22 version HK416 and MP5 are not even made by HK, they are outsourced to Umarex. So I 'highly' doubt HK would even bother making a civilian version MP7. Umarex already makes a airsoft MP7, so there could be something there chambered in a 22 in the future.
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Most people doubted a civilian 416 would be available. Now we have the mr556 and mr762. Both not neutered, but not chrome lined.

Due to import laws any mp7 or mp5 would have to be made in the us to avoid neutering.

I would love to see a non neutered USC in 9mm.
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