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Old 08-16-2012, 8:44 PM
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I am at a point in my collecting dementia that I think I want to try a large caliber 1000+ rifle. Problem is I know very little about them.

I have a few Ar's, some hunting calibers, couple dozen .22's and other odds and ends but want a new WOW gun.

I understand it is not cheap, I was looking around spending 2-3000 for the rifle and 1-1500 on a scope. My monthly gun budget is $500 so this is a Big purchase for me. Be a long time between this and my next one. But truly, I want so many that are out there, how many 9's, 40's, .
Ar's etc do I need. I am looking to expand my collection.

A few things. I am looking for exotic but not to a point where it is an act of god to find reloading components. 1000 yards is probably beyond my current level of skill but so is building a multi-level home,totally self contained, but I still like owning the tools. Oh yeah, if there is an option to reduce recoil that is always a plus. I am 5' 10" 150.

So any experience in this for some guidance would be appreciated.
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.338LM isn't a 1000 yard rifle; it's an 1800 yard rifle (2000 if you're really skilled).

In your situation, I'd recommend either one of the 6.5 variants (.260Rem, 6.5Creed, etc) or a .300 WinMag. The 6.5s are easy and relatively inexpensive to shoot and will outperform most .308WIN loads at 1000 yards. If you want to take it farther the .300WM is a much more economical option for shooting to 1400 yards than say a .338LM.

Doing your own loads with either, you can do wonders without breaking the bank.
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.338LM isn't a 1000 yard rifle; it's an 1800 yard rifle (2000 if you're really skilled).

In your situation, I'd recommend either one of the 6.5 variants (.260Rem, 6.5Creed, etc) or a .300 WinMag. The 6.5s are easy and relatively inexpensive to shoot and will outperform most .308WIN loads at 1000 yards. If you want to take it farther the .300WM is a much more economical option for shooting to 1400 yards than say a .338LM.

Doing your own loads with either, you can do wonders without breaking the bank.

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To many people that are new to long range want to jump in with the .338 as there first gun. What they don't realize is how expensive it is to shoot and how difficult is to shoot past 1k. Most of these rifles sit in the safe after one or two trips. You money is better spent on a 6-6.5 cartidge. They will get you to 1400 no problem. The recoil is great and you will be able to afford to shoot it more! $500 in .338 Lapua will not get you much ammo.
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Stick to 300 WSM 6.5 or308 for 1000 yards..

338 is a waste for just 1000... Start with a 308 shoot sub 1000 then think about a 338

I say stick with 308 start hand loading and once you can master 1000 with a 308 move up.. Chances are you'll have a good enough time doing that. Movies make it look easy but it's not what it looks. I've been trying to master 1000 with my 308 hand loads for 5 years and still find it challenging every time I go out.
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.338LM isn't a 1000 yard rifle; it's an 1800 yard rifle (2000 if you're really skilled).
Agreed. Any modern 6.5mm caliber will outperform a 308 and rival a 300WM to 1k with ease. Less powder, less recoil, and better barrel life. If you're shooting under a mile, you don't need a 338LM.
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I've read that a card table and a Saiga is all that is needed.......

Seriously, a go-fast 6mm or 6.5mm does the job more efficiently than a boomer.

Are you talking organized shooting or BLM stuff?
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I had a .300 Weatherby Magnum, which is faster than a .300 Win Mag and lets you shoot longer bullets. 30 cal bullets are easy to find, and although it was just a hunting rifle (Vanguard) it came with a 100 yard test target with a 1.25" group from the factory. That translates to 18 inch to maybe 24 inch groups at 1000, so it won't be winning any benchrest matches, but it's accurate enough to develop your skills without being frustrated because the thing is throwing bullets all over the place. The Vanguards are pretty cheap but you'll probably spend some money on a muzzle brake.
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Ks your killing me! LOL thats only for 750 yards!! Got the video to prove it! I mostly shoot the 6.5x47 to 1K.

RKS, what would you say the barrel life of a 6.5x47 is?
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Dont knock it until you've tried it. Card table is the S#!t!
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RKS, what would you say the barrel life of a 6.5x47 is?
Don't know for certain, but a bit more than a 6.5-284, which usually up and dies about 1000-1200. Just set back a 6 Dasher that had 1200 through it and was starting to go.
It has been my experience that the 6's and 6.5's are all a little hard on throats when compared to the 30's.

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If you simply want a WOW gun, then go for the 338. It's expensive to load, but it's an impressive round. The 338 is a good choice because it's allowed at most public ranges, otherwise if you shoot mostly BLM than a 416 Barrett would be a nice fun gun.

Like the other guys have said 6mm shoot crazy good, but I wouldn't call it a wow gun.

If I could I would have already bought a 50 BMG.
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I'd agree, a good .308 or .30-06 would be fine for 1,000 yards.

However, if the OP really wants a .338 of some sort, how about a .338 RUM instead of the Lapua? Got a buddy with one, and he loves it. With his handloads, he's typically at half-MOA, and it appears to have the same ballistics as the Lapua. Brass and ammo are both considerably more available and far less money than the LM.
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30 cal bullets aren't really well suited for 1000 yards, although you can use a 308 or a 300 winmag for that range.

Try a 6.5 or a 7mm, the ballistics on those bullets are a lot better.

If you go 308, try 175 smk's or 190's, they can get it done, but its a bit ugly on the drop.
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If you simply want a WOW gun, then go for the 338. It's expensive to load, but it's an impressive round. The 338 is a good choice because it's allowed at most public ranges, otherwise if you shoot mostly BLM than a 416 Barrett would be a nice fun gun.

Like the other guys have said 6mm shoot crazy good, but I wouldn't call it a wow gun.

If I could I would have already bought a 50 BMG.
Basically I am looking for the WOW factor. I have the .308 covered and it will perform beyond my abilities. I reload now, adding another caliber is not a major problem.
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I think then any of the big caliber ones will do. If you reload you can even go with a 50DTC, which is essentially a CA legal 50BMG.

338 would be the most range friendly.
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Love me some 6.5 bullets . I have two 6.5-284 rifles and they make 1000 yards look easy. Low recoil, fast speeds, lot of bullet options, great BC, great SD. I shoot 140gr VLD's at 3100fps.
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If 1K is outside of your skill range, I don't think a .338 Lapua would be a great rifle to pick up. The cost of shooting would make it so you can't shoot enough to develop the skills necessary. I would look at a custom .308, 6mm or 6.5 of some kind or even a .30-06. I shoot an '06 which I think is over looked a lot.
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If you want a 338 and have a place to shoot past 1K get one, mine will hit a 25"x25" target at a mile off of a card table all day long, don't belive me ask to see the video. I paid $1800 to my door, and use a $350 scope. Believe it!!





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For a novice shooter, my opinion is that a .338 Lapua is really a waste. If one is dead set on something out of the ordinary, I would recommend what has already been mentioned like the .260 Remington, 6.5 Creedmoore, 6.5x47mm Lapua, or even a .284 Winchester set up for heavy bullets. Keep the budget for the scope and build a nice custom rifle, premium reloading gear you do not have yet, and 1000 rounds worth of components.

Then, burn through those consumables and do it over until the barrel is burned out. Rinse, repeat.

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Ted's 338 Lapua is no joke. Savage did an awesome job with those rifles. Shooting it at a mile felt really similar to shooting a 308 at around 600 yards, not overly difficult at all. Recoil was alo much less than I had expected, quite a bit less than my 300 Win Mag. Kudos to Savage for actually putting a decent brake on their 338's. If I were going to get one, I'd probably opt for the version that comes in the HS Precision stock, they can be found for around $1300 online. The Millett scope that Ted uses is also pretty decent. Tons of internal travel for dialing out for distance. Excellent glass too. Stay away from the versions of the LRS that have the ATAC camo paint though, they have had a reputation for problems. One of my friends bought one before we researched it thoroughly, it had serious issues with tracking, and eventually a giant glod of grease dropped onto one of the internal lenses right in the center of the reticle. That particular LRS was junk, but if you get a good one (Like Ted's), they are really good for the price.
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300 yard 1/2 MOA

Yep this is the WOW factor I am looking for. Maybe it is a mid-life crisis (I just turned forty) but having a rifle that is capable of a mile is pretty cool.

Is that a savage? Any other options you guys have come across? A 50 DTC would work as well. I know there are better options for 1000 yards etc. but I like the novaltiy. I drove a 56 Chevy to school in the late 80's. It wasn't practical but the girls loved it. Same thing I am looking for here. Just want something that stands out.
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.338LM isn't a 1000 yard rifle; it's an 1800 yard rifle (2000 if you're really skilled).

In your situation, I'd recommend either one of the 6.5 variants (.260Rem, 6.5Creed, etc) or a .300 WinMag. The 6.5s are easy and relatively inexpensive to shoot and will outperform most .308WIN loads at 1000 yards. If you want to take it farther the .300WM is a much more economical option for shooting to 1400 yards than say a .338LM.
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BTW, IMO, "standing out" is a pretty poor primary consideration of buying anything, especially in our horrendous and getting worse economy. If you don't NEED a long range stick, don't buy one. The only reason you NEED one, since you already "have 308 covered", is if you are committed to going to local 800-yard + tactical matches and becoming a true marksmen, or you are at least a fairly close drive to our land the BLM "allows" us to shoot on.

If, despite most of our advisement against it, you do make the rookie move and go 338LM, I'm with FMJBT: The Savage 110 FCP HS Precision is a bargain:



It weighs 5 lbs less that that BA110 Pig, has a better stock, and still has practical and usable tacticool features such as muzzle break and extended mag. Also, with the lower price, you'll have a better chance of selling it in a year or two, after realizing like many hardware-based, want to be "snipers": "I just never go a 1k range to shoot it!". No insults intended brother, I'm sure your a decent shooter, its just that precision rifle shooting is a LOT of work, and if you are not primarily motivated as a shooter by long range precision, than the chances of you sticking with the sport & training required to get good is pretty low. but, hey that's just my opinion... what do I know... my Army sniper days are far behind me... perhaps things have changed since the 80's when I was behind an M21... or perhaps not.
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Ruger I stand corrected!!

FMJBT, once they open back up, we need to ring some steel!!

Winston, she turns heads! If you reload you can get the cost down to about a buck and a half a round.

As for the Millet LRS, I have 4 of these on everything from my bull barreled 223, my 308, 6.5x47 and the 338, I have had one failure out of thousands of rounds and that was with the zoom ring on the 308, Bushnell sent me a new one within 10 days no questions asked. I have had this scope alongside of scopes that cost 10 times as much, and could not discern an appreciable difference. Your mileage may vary.



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I have has this scope alongside of scopes that cost 10 times as much, and could not discern an appreciable difference.

I was fine till this!! If this is the case then I think you might be legally blind! If you can't tell the difference between a Millet and a NightForce you are Blind! Im not even going to bring up S&B which is 10x more then a Millet. Night Force is only about 4x the price then a Millet. If you really want to get the 338 which is what all the chicks dig, be prepared to drop some coin on a decent scope.
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Maybe this is a sign of a shifting scope...or was it the lack of a card table? Lol

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Maybe this is a sign of a shifting scope...or was it the lack of a card table? Lol

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/ind...opic=3792795.0
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I was fine till this!! If this is the case then I think you might be legally blind! If you can't tell the difference between a Millet and a NightForce you are Blind! Im not even going to bring up S&B which is 10x more then a Millet. Night Force is only about 4x the price then a Millet. If you really want to get the 338 which is what all the chicks dig, be prepared to drop some coin on a decent scope.
If one can't discern the overall difference between a Millet and a Nightforce, in all aspects, then the Millet is probably just fine for them. Just as a stock Savage is perfectly adequate for some.

Diego-I'd put barrel life of a 6.5x47 from 2500-3500 rounds depending on how it's used and how hot you get it.
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imo, a 338 for 1000 yards just isn't worth it, even for the wow factor. Unless you shoot 1500yds+, you're just going to get sick of it eventually and pawn it off because of the high price of ammunition, even though I reload I still probably wouldn't consider it. Listen to everyone here and just get a 6.5, 7mm, or 300WSM.

And on the millet really? You can't tell the difference between it and a more expensive scope? I have something double the price of a millet (Weaver 3x15 Tactical EMDR), and I can easily tell which is better. The Weaver is better built, has cleaner, crisper glass and the turrets aren't anywhere near as mushy. If you can't tell between the millet and a scope 10x the price, chances are you have a Counter Sniper scope, and if you do, I feel bad for you my friend.
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It aint wow unless its 50 cal.....
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It aint wow unless its 50 cal.....
.50DTC for the WOW and *BOOM* factor (with a nasty muzzle brake). Nothing says WOW like knocking **** off of someones shooting table 3 lanes over.
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If you can't tell between the millet and a scope 10x the price, chances are you have a Counter Sniper scope, and if you do, I feel bad for you my friend.
lol LOVE IT!!!

You mean counter snipers aren't worth the coin? Surely they must be better then everything else
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I shoot 1,000 yards occasionally and 90% of my shooting at that distance is done with a 243 or a 6.5x284, the other 10% is done with a 22.250. They are a lot easier on the pocket book and the shoulder but I'm a real recoil weenie, maybe you can handle it better.
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but I'm a real recoil weenie, maybe you can handle it better.
Your sig line makes this totally believable
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lol LOVE IT!!!

You mean counter snipers aren't worth the coin? Surely they must be better then everything else
Where else are you going to get Bertrillium-Zantitium coated optics that are sealed with rare-earth gasses? This stuff is military overrun and property of the US government, its so secret the US government doesn't keep the contract on record so other countries find out about its secret satellite snipers, so it must be good, right?
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