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Old 06-15-2007, 11:58 AM
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I went in for a checkup at the doctor today and filled out their standard form:

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Do you wear seatbelts?
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Do you have a gun in the house?
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I hoped the gun question would lead to checking my knowledge on hearing and eye protection and maybe lead problems. Nope, you get some Brady BS on how having a gun in the house means that you will get killed by it.

It never ceases to amaze me how far and deep the anti gun agenda has spread. It appears owning a gun is a health risk in the eyes of doctors...
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None of their business?
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I have an answer for their FORM.

NOYFB optional addon AH.

As to have an equal voice I feel its a health hazard if your in an bad environment and do not have a firearm.
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Read the doctor the freaking riot act to his FACE. If enough people do that, they will mind their own business.

Doctors think they are god. Sadly, most are incompetent buffoons that do nothing but write prescriptions.
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I deliberately answered to see where it would go.

We're all immune. The problem is that guns are now being treated in the mainstream like saturated fat and smoking. Imagine Mrs Soccer Mom in for her annual. She fills it out and gets the speech them comes home and tells her husband to sell the hunting rifle or blocks the .22lr purchase for the kids.
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I have an answer for their FORM.

NOYFB optional addon AH.

As to have an equal voice I feel its a health hazard if your in an bad environment and do not have a firearm.
I spell it out so there is no chance of misinterpration, usually to the effect of:

"The fact that I have or have not firearms in my house has no affect on my health and I consider this question rude and so nonsensical that I question the professional judgement of the person asking it."
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Ask him if he's a doctor. After all, doctors kill more people each year than guns...
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When your doctor says that you have a high risk of being hurt by your firearm in your home (which is junk science btw) you should tell him, no, I have a much higher risk of dieing due to medical malpractice - which happens to be true.

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Follow up Gene's question by asking him if his malpractice insurance covers him for his firearms related diagnosis and prescriptive activity.
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Tell him you are going to find a new doctor.


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Regarding intrusive questionaires...seen lots of them lately, especially at the doctor.

Furthermore, lots of companies now ask you to give them all kinds of info, including SSNs and mother's maiden name. I will always decline to give that info until it is a dealbreaker and even then, I've taken my business elsewhere on occasion when they wouldn't proceed without the info in instances where I could see no reason they NEEDED that info.
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Imagine Mrs Soccer Mom in for her annual. She fills it out and gets the speech them comes home and tells her husband to sell the hunting rifle or blocks the .22lr purchase for the kids.
Sounds like whoever married her didn't pick someone really compatible, or figured owning firearms is a sacrifice he's willing to make.
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Well, it isn't just the doctor, it is the whole AMA, and I wouldn't be surprised if they just use AMA boilerplate forms.
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When your doctor says that you have a high risk of being hurt by your firearm in your home (which is junk science btw) you should tell him, no, I have a much higher risk of dieing due to medical malpractice - which happens to be true.

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Or that the kids are a couple orders of magnitude more likely to drown in his fancy swimming pool.
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ca_brit, you're scaring me as I am in the South Bay as well. Please let me know which doctor/medical group this happened at so I can make sure I avoid them. You can send it in a PM if you wish.
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Last month I took my kid in for the physical. The doctor asked him questions, with me present. I was waiting for the question on guns - it didn't happen luckily.
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Do you have a gun in the house?

No, I do not have A gun in the house.
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No, I do not have A gun in the house.
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That is the right response. With proper inflection of course.
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Where is that e-mail about how many people die each year from guns vs. doctors?
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I got hit at the doctor with that question and declined to answer , on another note our building insurance asked the same question and then "ordered" us to keep firearms and ammo separate " fireman's fund" . I called them up and explained to them California law , printed out the Gun laws Booklet and sent it to them , called them again and asked them if they would like to take up the matter with the NRA . They immediately decided to drop the requirement . ( they were threatening with a rate increase if we did not comply )
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Table 10 of this is interesting:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_13.pdf

Notice that in 2003 there were 2,855 deaths from surgical and medical complications. There were 730 deaths by accidental discharge of firearm...

Getting shot by a home invader isn't a risk of owning a gun in the home...

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Thanks Gene, I knew I had seen real stats somewhere. I guess the question that the doctor should have asked is: "Do you feel lucky?" If the answer is "No," he should refuse to PRACTICE medicine on you?
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I'm not blaming this doc. It is just a sign of how stupid things have gotten.

I do like the comparison between medical mistakes and accidental deaths. There should be a question "do you have a doctor".

I read the statistic on swimming pools vs guns too in the book Freakenomics. You have a one in a million chance of a gun accident death vs one in 11 thousand for a swimming pool. The form did not ask about swimming pools.
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OC here has been called the highest swimming pool death area around.
It's amazing the large number of toddlers reported in the paper drwoning.
Any time of year and it's always the "only gone for a few minutes"
As a lifelong swimmer and lifeguard I find it stupid on the homeowners and parents. Right behind the baby in the car people.
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OC here has been called the highest swimming pool death area around.
Can we start lobbying Sacramento for low capacity swimming pools, 10 day waits when buying them, and swimming pool safety certificates? How about micro stamping the water so when someone drowns you can figure out which pool it happened in. It might take their mind off of us.

We could call ourselves the "Brady Campaign to Prevent Swimming Pool Deaths"
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Ask him if he's a doctor. After all, doctors kill more people each year than guns...
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When your doctor says that you have a high risk of being hurt by your firearm in your home (which is junk science btw) you should tell him, no, I have a much higher risk of dieing due to medical malpractice - which happens to be true.

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LOL. That was my first thought too. I'd have written in below the other questions, "Do you go to the doctor?" and drawn a little box and checked it off.

ETA: Missed ca_brit's last post.
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As a Primary Care doctor....I have seen this question numerous times as one of those "suggested" questions to use when taking a patient's history. The medical community (primarily Pediatrics) recommend this to be asked when doing a well child visit.
I have always cringed at it.....and of course have never asked it. The only time I talk firearms is if one of my male patients brings up hunting or shooting, we will detour the whole visit to compare our collections, local ranges, etc. If they really wanted to be effective with this approach.....what health care providers should do is say something like...."Make sure your firearms are properly/safely secured in your home"...yada yada......."this is how i suggest securing your firearms".....yada yada...."have you taught your children firearm saftey"......etc. But i truly don't think it is the responsibility of the Medical professional to even go there. I just leave the whole topic alone......too many other important things to cover, like skyrocketing childhood obesity, which will kill many more folks than firearm accidents. I am amazed at the number of overweight kids these days. And you guys are so right on.......swimming pool safety is much more important.
Perhaps the doctor in this original post was just using some prefab/canned questionaire they mass produced from some medical company. I wonder what he/she would actually be prepared to say if the answer was "yes, i do have firearms". Most of my colleagues would have no real answer to it I am afraid. There are some pediatric groups out there that are campaigning against firearms though.
I am in a large group of physicians in So. Cal.......and the few of us who own firearms and head out to the range together are viewed as "nuts". Though well respected ones at that. That is So. Cal for ya though. <shrugs> It's all good.
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I hear the gun thing every time I take the kids to the doctor. Luckily my pediatrician is on the right page. He rolls his eyes every time he ask the question.
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I hear the gun thing every time I take the kids to the doctor. Luckily my pediatrician is on the right page. He rolls his eyes every time he ask the question.
Is that because your kids are all packing:-)

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I am glad people brought up the fact that swimming pools are far more dangerous, statistically. Even bathtubs, depending on what statistics you read.

You should have asked him why swimming pools were not on his stupid little list.

That's what I plan on doing if any doctor tries to lecture me.
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I just ignore the question (easy, because it's usually on a form). I also ignore questions about tobacco, booze and massage parlors.

Then again, maybe they're concerned about real potential dangers with firearms.............like M1 Thumb!
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The question about guns in the house is standard for kaiser hospital.. especially if you go to the pediatrics dept for the first time with a new born..... I told them to go pound sand....
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That's what I plan on doing if any doctor tries to lecture me.
My doctor never makes it beyond the smoking/drugs/alcohol section.

Ditto on what the above guy said regarding obese kids, there are a TONS of em rolling around
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Tell me about it. they would give anything their asked and not even asked why they want this information.

I asked the medical center receptionist why they wanted the info once and they just stated we are told to collect it and that was it I told them well you don't need it and If you refuse service for us not providing it I will use the privacy act of 1974 and get medieval on their assets and sue them.

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I put down "Yes" when I was asked if I had guns on a little chart. I figured I could give a good pep talk on how gun control does not work and what the 2A was all about.

I was never asked.
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