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Old 10-01-2016, 9:46 PM
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I live in Hawaii but curious about laws governing rim fire rifles in California. Are .22lr rifles built to resemble assault rifles affected by the same laws governing centerfire AWs?

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They do not require a bullet button.
They will be exempt from the new AW reg. rules.
10 round mag. max. still required.
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They do not require a bullet button.
They will be exempt from the new AW reg. rules.
10 round mag. max. still required.
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It should be noted that in the past, the gun grabbers have proposed language that WOULD have swept up rimfire firearms into prohibited classes. It got amended out but we remain wary.
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It should be noted that in the past, the gun grabbers have proposed language that WOULD have swept up rimfire firearms into prohibited classes. It got amended out but we remain wary.
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Also note that...

Rimfire rifles are exempt from CA assault weapons laws.

Rimfire handguns are not exempt from CA assault weapons laws.
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Tube fed rifles like the Model 60 can have more than 10 rounds.
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I cant believe that we cant hunt turkeys with them:
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Tube fed rifles like the Model 60 can have more than 10 rounds.
I am attending the NRA 1,000 Man Shoot in Phoenix, Arizona next month.
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I get to keep the Golden Boy Silver in .22LR caliber that I shoot for the event.
And there is the rub: the stock Henry Golden Boy Silver accepts 16 rounds of .22LR.

But if what you say is correct, then I don't have to get the mag blocked (if that can even be done).
Can you or someone verify tube-fed rimfire rifles can have greater than 10-round capacities?
What regulation should I be looking at to verify?
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I am attending the NRA 1,000 Man Shoot in Phoenix, Arizona next month.
1000manshoot.nra.org

I get to keep the Golden Boy Silver in .22LR caliber that I shoot for the event.
And there is the rub: the stock Henry Golden Boy Silver accepts 16 rounds of .22LR.

But if what you say is correct, then I don't have to get the mag blocked (if that can even be done).
Can you or someone verify tube-fed rimfire rifles can have greater than 10-round capacities?
What regulation should I be looking at to verify?
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As used in this part, “large-capacity magazine” means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(b) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
This is a definition section that is basically saying .22 tube fed and lever action tube fed do not fall under the definition for LCM and therefore are not restricted as such.
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Tube fed rifles like the Model 60 can have more than 10 rounds.
^^^^This. I have a Glenfield that takes 18 in the tube and a Model 60 that takes 14. Good to go.
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^^^^This. I have a Glenfield that takes 18 in the tube and a Model 60 that takes 14. Good to go.
Two classics indeed. The Model 60 is my favorite.
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I cant believe that we cant hunt turkeys with them:
I cant believe you say that.
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Are Calico M100 with a folding stock still legal?
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It should be noted that in the past, the gun grabbers have proposed language that WOULD have swept up rimfire firearms into prohibited classes. It got amended out but we remain wary.
I give it 3-5 years before they are AW's.
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Are Calico M100 with a folding stock still legal?
In order to be CA legal, the barrel length needs to be 16" or greater and the overall length needs to be 26" over greater (measured with the stock folded/collapsed).

The Calico M100 with factory folding stock has an overall length of 29.8" with stock folded, which means that it CA legal.

However...
01-01-2000 = illegal to make, import, and transfer the Calico .22LR 100 round magazine
07-01-2017 = illegal to possess the Calico .22LR 100 round magazine
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^^^^This. I have a Glenfield that takes 18 in the tube and a Model 60 that takes 14. Good to go.
My Marlin 39A lever gun with 24" barrel holds 19+1 if LR and a whopping 24+1 if Shorts. So there
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That's a bummer! It was my first firearm. Had it since 1988. I was hoping rimfire was not going to be affected by the magazine 10 round limit. I guess it's time to go fishing.
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In order to be CA legal, the barrel length needs to be 16" or greater and the overall length needs to be 26" over greater (measured with the stock folded/collapsed).

The Calico M100 with factory folding stock has an overall length of 29.8" with stock folded, which means that it CA legal.

However...
01-01-2000 = illegal to make, import, and transfer the Calico .22LR 100 round magazine
07-01-2017 = illegal to possess the Calico .22LR 100 round magazine
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In order to be CA legal, the barrel length needs to be 16" or greater and the overall length needs to be 26" over greater (measured with the stock folded/collapsed).

The Calico M100 with factory folding stock has an overall length of 29.8" with stock folded, which means that it CA legal.

However...
01-01-2000 = illegal to make, import, and transfer the Calico .22LR 100 round magazine
07-01-2017 = illegal to possess the Calico .22LR 100 round magazine
I'm pretty sure the Calico mag doesn't work in any other gun, nor does any other mag work in the Calico. Wouldn't the exemption fit this case?
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32406. Subdivisions (b) and (c) of Section 32310 do not apply to the following:
(f) A person lawfully in possession of a firearm that the person obtained prior to January 1, 2000, if no magazine that holds 10 or fewer rounds of ammunition is compatible with that firearm and the person possesses the large-capacity magazine solely for use with that firearm.
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Aloha (whatever)....PLEASE be advised that Hawaii just might take the FOREfront of... The ELIMINATION of OUR 2A rights (.22 included)... PLEASE do YOUR part... As WE (Ca.)... Do ours... PERIOD !!!!!!!!
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Aloha (whatever)....PLEASE be advised that Hawaii just might take the FOREfront of... The ELIMINATION of OUR 2A rights (.22 included)... PLEASE do YOUR part... As WE (Ca.)... Do ours... PERIOD !!!!!!!!
Well aware unfortunately. Our governor has signed into law that all gun owners have to register in the FBI rap back list. To add insult to injury we have to pay for said registration. He is of course a great friend of the illustrious lame duck. The governor here has with a swipe of a pen vilified all gun owners here and military being stationed here that are bringing their guns with them. Of course did it in time so he can say to vacationing obama "look what I did boss. Did I do good?".

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What about large-capacity banana magazines for the Ruger 10/22, such as the Butler Creek 25/22? Will they be legal to possess under the new law?
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What about large-capacity banana magazines for the Ruger 10/22, such as the Butler Creek 25/22? Will they be legal to possess under the new law?
The law addresses the registering on the rap back FBIs list. I believe 10 round law already exists.

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What about large-capacity banana magazines for the Ruger 10/22, such as the Butler Creek 25/22? Will they be legal to possess under the new law?
No for CA.

Possession becomes illegal on 07-01-2017.
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My .22's will be the only rifles left without weird @ss featureless crap stuck on them.

In other words, they are my most evil looking guns now.
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Since rimfire are exempt from AW classification, a 22WSM in an AR configuration would make an interest alternative.
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Since rimfire are exempt from AW classification, a 22WSM in an AR configuration would make an interest alternative.
There are some companies producing great aluminum stocks for 1022s. They when completed mimic ars. Old Fort is the best and they will engrave to your specs.

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There are some companies producing great aluminum stocks for 1022s. They when completed mimic ars. Old Fort is the best and they will engrave to your specs.

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$500 for a stock on a $200 rifle?


No.

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$500 for a stock on a $200 rifle?
I own 3 Old Forts and haven't paid $500 for any. Of course you can buy from others that make aluminum stocks and pay more and get something that doesn't quite look like an ar. Old Fort has a website as well as selling on eBay. I bought a couple of alum stocks whose name I won't mention that nice did not resemble an ar when the build was complete.

Of all my builds I built from receiver up not from Ruger rifle up. Never compared the difference but enoyed the way I did it. You can buy receivers one at a time on GunBrokers for about $65.00 + shipping or $55.00 each in 5-6 bundles. To each his own though. I still haven't completely finished them all. Once down they will be a legacy for my family who all shoot.

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Not to argue the point, but Ruger receivers need barrels and trigger groups, so $65 is not your gun cost.

Old Fort:
$205: Basic "stock" (no forend or shoulder piece): http://oldfortarms.com/product/arrow...g-stock-black/

$525: Full stock: http://oldfortarms.com/product/arrow...er-stock-1022/

Glad it's working out for you.

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There are some companies producing great aluminum stocks for 1022s. They when completed mimic ars. Old Fort is the best and they will engrave to your specs.

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I'm thinking 22 magnum not 22LR.
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However...
01-01-2000 = illegal to make, import, and transfer the Calico .22LR 100 round magazine
07-01-2017 = illegal to possess the Calico .22LR 100 round magazine
You sure that wouldn't be a "tube" magazine?
It's not really a drum....
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$205: Basic "stock" (no fore piece or shoulder piece): http://oldfortarms.com/product/arrow...g-stock-black/

$525: Full stock: http://oldfortarms.com/product/arrow...er-stock-1022/

Glad it's working out for you.
I never buy full stock. I add fore grips and 6 position buffer tube and for me MFT Minimalist stock. One can get as involved or go minimal. I even purchased a blemish for a reduced price. The blem was a tiny scratch that once touched up with black paint and an artist brush disappeared. Anyway I enjoy the hell out of putting these together and knowing the pleasure they will bring to my family when it's time for me to do the dead bug dance lol. Anyway to each his own.


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Not to argue the point, but Ruger receivers need barrels and trigger groups, so $65 is not your gun cost.

Old Fort:
$205: Basic "stock" (no forend or shoulder piece): http://oldfortarms.com/product/arrow...g-stock-black/

$525: Full stock: http://oldfortarms.com/product/arrow...er-stock-1022/

Glad it's working out for you.
Yup and not being in a hurry allowed me to wait for GREAT DEALS to come my way. Anyway this discussion was about the disappearing centerfire ARs and a substitute for them. Not going to get into an argument about whst I like and the cost of.

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You sure that wouldn't be a "tube" magazine?
It's not really a drum....
"neck fed drum" = term used in the new CA regulations governing CA large capacity magazine laws
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This article is useful.

I own a 22lr buckmaster with a 10 round mag. Seems like i got it just in time, and i will have to register it by 2018.
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This article is useful.

I own a 22lr buckmaster with a 10 round mag. Seems like i got it just in time, and i will have to register it by 2018.


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Come on folks. We all know the Ruger 10/22 with a 25 round magazine is the weapon of choice for bank robbers, terrorists and evil people. It could shoot down a plane or two in one sitting. The Republic of Kalifornia is just protecting the innocent.
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This is a definition section that is basically saying .22 tube fed and lever action tube fed do not fall under the definition for LCM and therefore are not restricted as such.
Wait. Does this specifically mean .22 rimfire cartridges? Or just that it has to be .22?

Could I make a semi-automatic .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer with a 20 round tube mag?

Would a .17HMR with 11 rounds be verboten because .17 =/= .22?
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Since rimfire are exempt from AW classification, a 22WSM in an AR configuration would make an interest alternative.
WHY bring this up on a PUBLIC forum ??????????????????????? NOW I gotta look for a .17 :-(
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