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Old 05-08-2016, 9:23 AM
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Hi Friends,

Looking for suggestions for my Sig trailside
The entire top of the slide is a 11mm dovetail
What's a good red dot for this?
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Old 05-08-2016, 10:31 AM
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Hi Friends,

Looking for suggestions for my Sig trailside
The entire top of the slide is a 11mm dovetail
What's a good red dot for this?
Thx
Tiger,

I really wish I would have asked this question before going down that rabbit hole with my Trailside. Here is what I did after transitioning from casual range time (200 rounds a month) to Steel Challenge (1k a month).

Quick answer to the above is "none you will like". The 11mm rail is essentially worthless because only chi-com-crap red dots have that mount. I had a BSA 30mm on it originally and hated it, crappy glass and a furry dot. Looks like this:

Don't do this.

Went looking for decent budget RD's and found the Bushnell TRS-25. Do a search here, you'll find an infinite amount of info on this sight. I waited for a sale and picked up one for sub $60 delivered.

Next was how to mount the new sight. There is a frame mounted rail for the pistol that looks pretty well built but it's expensive and makes cleaning the pistol a pain in the arse.

This mount allows you to put the RD pretty much anywhere and might be what your looking for. I shoot mine a LOT and like to keep her pretty clean so this was not an option for me.

The search for mounting options continued and I came upon these UTG Adapters on Amazon for sub $10. They come 2 to a pack and are built surprisingly well (I know UTG can be hit & miss).

http://www.amazon.com/UTG-Airgun-Pic.../dp/B007BNHFLQ

This let me mount the TRS-25 Just in front of the action where I like my RD's. That held for over 1500 rounds with no drift of POI. When I really wanted to speed up my Steel Challenge times I moved up to a Burris Fast Fire III with a larger dot using the same mount adapters. This setup has held another 2000+ rounds with no issues whatsoever.

My suggestion is get the UTG Adapters and pick the best RD you can afford. You have a lot to choose from (C-mores, Delta Points, Trijicon RMRs, Aimpoint, Vortex, Burris FFIII, etc) and the prices range from sub $100 to over $600.

My experience is with the Bushnell TRS-25 and the Burris FFIII on this pistol and can recommend either without reservation. They make an amazingly deadly combo with the Trailside. If you range plink I would get the Bushnell (3.5 moa) for $60, if you want to compete get the Burris FFIII (8moa) for $215. Enjoy your Trailside, mine is definitely my favorite plinker pistol.

Hope this helps Tiger.
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^damn good input - thank you for posting this mrboma!
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The TRS-25 is a wonderful value red dot. I have one on my AK pistol and it holds zero.


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I find the PA red dot to be a better RD than the TRS. Clicks felt better and the dot is less affected by my astigmatism. The TRS ain't bad.

UTG keeps surprising me with the cost vs quality. I have a UTG riser mount for a RED on my AR. It is awesome.
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Tiger,

I really wish I would have asked this question before going down that rabbit hole with my Trailside. Here is what I did after transitioning from casual range time (200 rounds a month) to Steel Challenge (1k a month).

Quick answer to the above is "none you will like". The 11mm rail is essentially worthless because only chi-com-crap red dots have that mount. I had a BSA 30mm on it originally and hated it, crappy glass and a furry dot. Looks like this:

Don't do this.

Went looking for decent budget RD's and found the Bushnell TRS-25. Do a search here, you'll find an infinite amount of info on this sight. I waited for a sale and picked up one for sub $60 delivered.

Next was how to mount the new sight. There is a frame mounted rail for the pistol that looks pretty well built but it's expensive and makes cleaning the pistol a pain in the arse.

This mount allows you to put the RD pretty much anywhere and might be what your looking for. I shoot mine a LOT and like to keep her pretty clean so this was not an option for me.

The search for mounting options continued and I came upon these UTG Adapters on Amazon for sub $10. They come 2 to a pack and are built surprisingly well (I know UTG can be hit & miss).

http://www.amazon.com/UTG-Airgun-Pic.../dp/B007BNHFLQ

This let me mount the TRS-25 Just in front of the action where I like my RD's. That held for over 1500 rounds with no drift of POI. When I really wanted to speed up my Steel Challenge times I moved up to a Burris Fast Fire III with a larger dot using the same mount adapters. This setup has held another 2000+ rounds with no issues whatsoever.

My suggestion is get the UTG Adapters and pick the best RD you can afford. You have a lot to choose from (C-mores, Delta Points, Trijicon RMRs, Aimpoint, Vortex, Burris FFIII, etc) and the prices range from sub $100 to over $600.

My experience is with the Bushnell TRS-25 and the Burris FFIII on this pistol and can recommend either without reservation. They make an amazingly deadly combo with the Trailside. If you range plink I would get the Bushnell (3.5 moa) for $60, if you want to compete get the Burris FFIII (8moa) for $215. Enjoy your Trailside, mine is definitely my favorite plinker pistol.

Hope this helps Tiger.
Regards,
Mike
Mike, wow, thanks for the detailed info, I will indeed look into the later combo as suggested, I happen to have a Primary arms micro that might do the trick. Much appreciated!
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Mike, wow, thanks for the detailed info, I will indeed look into the later combo as suggested, I happen to have a Primary arms micro that might do the trick. Much appreciated!
No worries Tiger, glad I could help.

The Primary Arms Micro would indeed be a nice combo on the Trailside. Let me know if you want a pic of the RD mounted using the adapter(s)? There are two ways of doing it.

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No worries Tiger, glad I could help.

The Primary Arms Micro would indeed be a nice combo on the Trailside. Let me know if you want a pic of the RD mounted using the adapter(s)? There are two ways of doing it.

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Sure that would be great if you are up to it, again thanks for the help
Going to order the stuff off amazon shortly.
Will post a pic of it when she's all set up.
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tiger,

Your very welcome. Like I said, I wish I would have asked around before buying and trying to get an RD on my Trailside. I could probably have a Trijicon RMR on this thing instead of a FastFire III!

Like I said they come 2 to a pack and are meant for mounting a scope (2 rings) to a receiver. As you know the rail on the Trailside is extremely tiny and doesn't give a lot of purchase area to grab onto. I felt that if I used them both, one in front of the RD's mounting screw and one behind it, the RD would have more to grab onto and give me a more solid mount.



Do the adapters stick out a bit in front and back of the RD? Yup they do.
Do I care? Not in the least
Can you use just one? Yes, they have a recess for the RD's mounting screw.

Don't forget the Loc-Tite! Looking forward to your finished plinker tiger.
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