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Old 08-16-2017, 2:52 PM
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Default Dedicated .22LR rifle or convert AR15?

Want to know people's opinion on converting my AR15 using CCMG 22 conversion kit or just purchasing the M&P 15-22 or similar rifle? Pros and cons to both? Price difference is about $100 difference.
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Old 08-16-2017, 3:34 PM
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I chose to go with a dedicated .22 rifle rather than a conversion kit.
In the end I decided against using a more expensive gun to do the job of a less expensive gun, and to avoid unnecessary wear and tear on my AR.
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Old 08-16-2017, 3:38 PM
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With the price of M&P 15-22's, kind of makes it a no brainer. If you are really pinching pennies, the conversion will be the cheaper option but I think for the extra $250 the M&P is worth it. With the conversion kits you have to be very mindful of your barrel twist. I've seen some poor accuracy with the standard 1:7 and 1:9 AR barrels with conversion kits.
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Old 08-16-2017, 3:53 PM
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Depends on what you want and what your 22 goals are.
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I'd prefer AR-22, but if a MP 15-22 is $299, that makes the entire gun cheaper than a CMMG AR-22 upper. I looked at the conversions and went AR-22 instead, but it is not cheap. Probably a couple hundred more than a 15-22. My lower was pretty cheap because it is a NFA Polymer (which I think is a good match for a AR-22, especially a light weight upper). I like the fact that the AR-22 shares mags with my SIG522 also.
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Old 08-16-2017, 6:20 PM
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For the cost of a dedicated upper you might as well buy a M&P 15-22.
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Old 08-16-2017, 8:19 PM
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Thanks I think I'll go with M&P 15-22 seems like my best bet!
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Old 08-17-2017, 5:01 AM
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M&P 15-22
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Old 08-17-2017, 9:26 AM
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I just used a $150 CMMG conversion kit this last week, gun ran flawless and had surprisingly decent accuracy. 16" barrel, 1:9 twist. Put 100 rem golden bullets and 100 CCI minimags without a single problem.

After that I went to turners and ordered the $299 m&p 15-22 :P
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Old 08-17-2017, 10:41 AM
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Conversion kits are often problematic.

Another option is a dedicated .22 upper. Nordic Components has a good one that was recently on sale for $399 with free shipping.

But that's still more expensive than a M&P 15/22.
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Really, both options are fine depending on what your needs are.

If you REALLY plan to shoot 22lr out of an AR platform regularly, get the M&P. I dont, so I didn't. I did get a CMMG bolt and enjoy it very much when I choose to use it (not that often)

Ill be honest, if I am shooting 22lr, i usually am not looking for a tactical platform, I am using my 10/22 to see how far and accurate I can shoot it. The CMMG conversion bolt fits and works just fine in one of my $200 palmetto stainless freedom uppers.
There are not $299 MP15-22 options up here in northern cali that I am aware of, but even at $300 I would be more temped for a takedown 10/22. I invested maybe $110 in the CMMG bolt kit, and that would barely cover tax and transfer fee if I bought a $300 MP15-22 and had it shipped to a local FFL...

Local prices on the M&P in Sonoma county seem to be $399.99 +tax/dros. not worth it to me at that price, but I am sure they are fun guns.
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The 15-22 and AR-22 are rimfire rifles. The conversion kit is a add-on to your centerfire featureless rifle or "assault rifle" to shoot rimfire thorough the barrel which is rifled for .223. Something worth noting. The Sig522, AR-22, MP 15-22 can have whatever features are on it. Collapsable folding stocks, mag release button, pistol grip, flash hider, etc...
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My 15-22 was a little picky at first with ammo but after I swapped the extractor to a Volquartsen..... night and day difference. Fires bulk ammo like a champ
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I bought an upper, PTAC 16" Mid-length 5.56 NATO 1/7 Phosphate Slick Side Upper from palmetto for 149.99. lower parts kit and stock set w/buffer tube, spring and buffer from Karri's guns for 74.00. CMMG conversion with three mags from optics planet, 203.00. 80 percent lower which I milled for 45.00.
Charging handle, 10.00. After shipping, free shipping on some orders I have about 500.00. I can use the conversion on different guns and I can always convert my 22 back to 5.56 with fixed mag.
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Don't buy conversion kit. Lead will clog your barrel or gas port at least

MP 15-22 if you don't care about looking.

Dedicated upper if you want good looking like I do.
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Don't buy conversion kit. Lead will clog your barrel or gas port at least

MP 15-22 if you don't care about looking.

Dedicated upper if you want good looking like I do.
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I have both. I used a CMMG conversion kit in my PSA upper and I built a dedicated AR22 using Taccom3g components.

Accuracy: AR22 was more accurate due to the chamber and barrel twist is specifically for the 22LR.
Ammo: AR22 less prone to ammo fussiness. Conversion more finicky.
Clean up: About equal with the AR22 being less of a clean up.
Cost: Conversion kit was cheaper. My barrel and bolt from Taccom3g was 25% more than just the kit. Magazines are swaps between the two.

The M&P 15-22 uses it's own magazine. I use Black Dog magazines, X-Form, not the Sonic Weld. Check their website, sometimes they have sales/free ship, or 44mag.com.

If you want to practice with trigger familiarity, then build a lower identical to your current AR and get a dedicated upper. Or, just get a fully built dedicated AR22, ie. M&P 15-22
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Just buy the M&P15-22. It is a GREAT rifle.

I bought that and a 22LR upper from Spike's Tactical (ST-22 Lothar Walther M4) which cost over $600. Then I spent another $400 for the lower, so I could have a high end dedicated .22 AR.

In the end, I found the M&P to be a much more reliable gun.
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For $100 difference , I get the S&W 15-22. So you can have two rifles. In the long run, the cost of ammo is much more than the cost of the rifle itself. I shoot 600-1K round a week or $40-$60 (bulk ammo) a week, do the math yourself how long the cost of ammo cost more than the cost of the rifle.
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Dedicated upper has another advantage.

You are going to use the same same lower, therefore same trigger

I bought a Mega Arm upper which is 700. I like it. I changed the charging handle to the same one my ar uses too.

My ar is in my signature. Here is the 22 upper mounted


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I have a built on purpose Rock River Upper, Superior Lower, A2 stainless BBL
with standard iron sights. The builder paid $ 1700 for the whole set and put it
together himself. Sold it to me for $ XX and it great. Along came mr brown who signed the AW bills. I got a CMMG 22lr conversion kit and it works great. Isn't fussy over CCI Mini Mags, or Federal High Velocity ammo, for iron sights I am happy with the accuracy it gets, 74 year old peepers. Get whatever
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I have a dedicated 22LR AR 7.5


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In my opinion dedicated .22LR rifle will be better than conversion kit. I have a special CMMG rifle and a guy I shoot with has a Smith 15-22. The .22 AR's are probably the most funniest you can have at a range, especially when you have steel targets.
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I just used a $150 CMMG conversion kit this last week, gun ran flawless and had surprisingly decent accuracy. 16" barrel, 1:9 twist. Put 100 rem golden bullets and 100 CCI minimags without a single problem.

After that I went to turners and ordered the $299 m&p 15-22 :P
hahahahahahaha, I will do the same.
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