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Old 09-03-2013, 1:11 PM
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Went out to Perris BLM on Sunday (9-1-13) and had a blast.
Set up the tent and began my search for brass. (found lots of .40 & 5.56)

Our spot was trashed with Beer bottles, clay targets, wood frames, etc.
I brought my rake, shovel, & large garbage can.
Before we left the family and I spent a solid 20 minutes cleaning the place up.

I saw lots of people just come to shoot & not bother to pick up ANYTHING (targets, trash, or brass)

There was an older couple who were walking from spot to spot picking up spent cases (to sell).

The ranger stopped by (yes, they do patrol on Sunday) and said thanks but also asked me to bring a fire extinguisher just in case a ricochet starts a fire.
Great place to shoot, just wish EVERYONE would clean up after themselves. My family saved $45 on range fees. I would hate for this place to close.
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Way to go David! Good job looking after this place. Will do the same.
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Great job. I'm planning on going this Sunday and bringing out the fun 10/22.
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Old 09-10-2013, 9:03 PM
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Even if clays are biodegradeable, why would you want that sea of orange? Just finished a couple of clean ups and we made the location spotless including clays.

from the BLM / CA FAQ:

Always pick up and remove targets, empty shells, and any other debris after you have finished. You can be cited for littering if you leave any debris; for this reason, in the desert region, you are not allowed to use clay pigeons as targets. Even the so-called “biodegradable” clay targets remain indefinitely in the dry, fragile landscape of the desert.

from the BLM/Needles office:

Shoot only retrievable, freestanding targets. It is illegal to shoot glass, trees, or Historical Structures. Shooting clay targets (Clay Pigeons) is not allowed on public lands. Take all used targets with you.

NOTE: if you Google further, BLM Utah and Idaho say it's ok, but you have to pick up all target trash.
I only shot up a tree once, but then afterwards I was like, What was the point? So I dragged it back into the truck and returned it to home depot...

I think that, for the rules, they are aiming for the stars, but it makes sense, aim for the stars and hit the moon, aim for the moon and hit the back yard fence.

I think I have only shot clays where clays were supposed to be shot. But damn I got about 17 boxes of them still... Got them all for $4 clearance at wallyworld about 2 years ago.
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This sign gave me a slightly devious idea...

Why cant the CGN shooters who are out there work in conjunction with the BLM Resident Ranger there and setup a littering "Sting"?
The Ranger sits at the bottom of the dirt road, and we simply phone in auto descriptions and license plates for the idiots who don't clean up after themselves when they pull away from their shooting spots.

To me it's a win-win situation, the BLM gets to write expensive littering tickets to slothful a-holz, and we get to run off some of the dirtbag riffraff and possibly save "Our" spot from closure!

Ideas??? Thoughts???

PS - I wonder if that Ranger posts or lurks here???
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With all respect ... Sorry we won't post locations/directions to places like this in an open forum, especially one like this that is overrun with littering riff-raff.

Also many here, including myself will not even answer a post or PM from a one poster. Hang around a while and contribute and things will change!

If you cannot wait, then you can always ask at a local gun shop... or read the entire thread and you will get clues.

Sorry... I'm not trying to be difficult, but this place is literally on the verge of being shut down - and none of us who go there wants it closed and be forced to go to the desert!
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This sign gave me a slightly devious idea...

Why cant the CGN shooters who are out there work in conjunction with the BLM Resident Ranger there and setup a littering "Sting"?
The Ranger sits at the bottom of the dirt road, and we simply phone in auto descriptions and license plates for the idiots who don't clean up after themselves when they pull away from their shooting spots.

To me it's a win-win situation, the BLM gets to write expensive littering tickets to slothful a-holz, and we get to run off some of the dirtbag riffraff and possibly save "Our" spot from closure!

Ideas??? Thoughts???

PS - I wonder if that Ranger posts or lurks here???
What do you all think of this suggestion?

Eat Dirt, I think you have worked with the Ranger on previous cleanups, is there anything CGN members can do along the lines of my suggestion?
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I'm waiting on a reply from Eat Dirt as he has worked with the Ranger in the past. I've been shooting there since 1998 and it's had its ups and downs over the years. I haven't been out there since beginning of summer, but I really don't want to see it shut down.

My personal feeling is a 2-3 weekend "sting" using CGN members could net the BLM some much needed revenue, get the word out, and help us keep the place a little cleaner all at the same time!
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If we can implement more some more/visual littering/fines signs that'd be great too. It's hard to tell if you're driving past that sign.
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I have to agree with you, however the deeper in we place signs... the more likely low-life knuckle-heads will use them as targets! But a sign at each shooting spot would be ideal!
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With all respect ... Sorry we won't post locations/directions to places like this in an open forum, especially one like this that is overrun with littering riff-raff.

Also many here, including myself will not even answer a post or PM from a one poster. Hang around a while and contribute and things will change!

If you cannot wait, then you can always ask at a local gun shop... or read the entire thread and you will get clues.

Sorry... I'm not trying to be difficult, but this place is literally on the verge of being shut down - and none of who goes there wants it closed and be forced to go to the desert!
SIG WORTHY!

By NOT following what you said, you are allowing scumbags that do not give a damn about where we shoot to show up and trash the place. I used to tell folks but then I stopped about a year or so ago. Too many douche nozzles running around here and elsewhere and even when they are given directions in PM, not even a thanks...
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SIG WORTHY!

By NOT following what you said, you are allowing scumbags that do not give a damn about where we shoot to show up and trash the place. I used to tell folks but then I stopped about a year or so ago. Too many douche nozzles running around here and elsewhere and even when they are given directions in PM, not even a thanks...
I have not posted the location of this area, so I do not understand what you are speaking of?????

I am trying to be proactive and come up with ideas that will keep this location open!

Please enlighten me as to what you are referring to here...
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SIG WORTHY!

By NOT following this advice, people who post locations are allowing scumbags that do not give a damn about where we shoot to show up and trash the place. I used to tell folks but then I stopped about a year or so ago. Too many douche nozzles running around here and elsewhere and even when they are given directions in PM, not even a thanks...
My edits in bold.

Big problem with this down south too! The butthurt when you ask people not to post locations is ridiculous!

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I'm waiting on a reply from Eat Dirt as he has worked with the Ranger in the past. I've been shooting there since 1998 and it's had its ups and downs over the years. I haven't been out there since beginning of summer, but I really don't want to see it shut down.

My personal feeling is a 2-3 weekend "sting" using CGN members could net the BLM some much needed revenue, get the word out, and help us keep the place a little cleaner all at the same time!
I called the BLM Chief Law Enforcement Officer for this area and left him a message with your question. I have worked with him on clean ups to get rangers there when the BLM clean up coordinator was out of town. He will let us know what can exactly be done.

The Ranger I have a cell number for that said call 24-7 if something is needed just retired. I do have the number for James, the ranger that was there the last clean up but I will not give it out without his permission and I have not talked to him about getting calls on his days off.

I did just get the number from the BLM lady I speak with for inter agency dispatch (Federal Officers) and she said it can be called until the chief LEO gets back with me. I will give it out to only a couple people via PM only.

I will call Eat Dirt and let him know he is being paged in this thread...... did you PM him??

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If we can implement more some more/visual littering/fines signs that'd be great too. It's hard to tell if you're driving past that sign.
Putting signs on any Federal land is considered littering by them no matter how good your intentions are. Eat Dirt got special permission by US Forest Service to put his signs in the Bee Canyon area where he coordinates clean ups at. I made phone calls, sent links from the Bee Canyon clean ups and pictures of the signs to BLM and we got special permission to put Eat Dirts signs up at the Perris area

If you want to put up other signs you should get permission first and like Darryl Licht said, they will probably be used as targets if you put them deeper in. There were 2 at the Perris area that Eat Dirt supplied and the one that was in a ways only lasted about 4 or 5 months.

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My edits in bold.

Big problem with this down south too! The butthurt when you ask people not to post locations is ridiculous!
ONCE AGAIN, I POSTED NO DETAILS ON THIS LOCATION!!! WHAT IS THE FREAKING PROBLEM HERE???

I AM THE ONE WHO SAID I WILL NOT POST THEM.... WHERE IS YOUR CONFUSION???

PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE THREAD, AND MAYBE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND!!!
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I called the BLM Chief Law Enforcement Officer for this area and left him a message with your question. I have worked with him on clean ups to get rangers there when the BLM clean up coordinator was out of town. He will let us know what can exactly be done.

The Ranger I have a cell number for that said call 24-7 if something is needed just retired. I do have the number for James, the ranger that was there the last clean up but I will not give it out without his permission and I have not talked to him about getting calls on his days off.

I did just get the number from the BLM lady I speak with for inter agency dispatch (Federal Officers) and she said it can be called until the chief LEO gets back with me. I will give it out to only a couple people via PM only.

I will call Eat Dirt and let him know he is being paged in this thread...... did you PM him??



Putting signs on any Federal land is considered littering by them no matter how good your intentions are. Eat Dirt got special permission by US Forest Service to put his signs in the Bee Canyon area where he coordinates clean ups at. I made phone calls, sent links for the Bee Canyon clean ups and pictures of the signs to BLM and we got special permission to put Eat Dirts signs up at the Perris area

If you want to put up other signs you should get permission first and like Darryl Licht said, they will probably be used as targets if you put them deeper in. There were 2 at the Perris area that Eat Dirt supplied and the one that was in a ways only lasted about 4 or 5 months.
Yes, I PM'd him and I too called the BLM dispatch... I have the new rangers name and # if you want to PM me. He called when I was on the phone earlier and couldn't get over to him fast enough.

Sounds like you like my sting idea...?
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I have not posted the location of this area, so I do not understand what you are speaking of?????

I am trying to be proactive and come up with ideas that will keep this location open!

Please enlighten me as to what you are referring to here...
I am sorry Darryl. Sometimes things get twisted when I say them. What you did was absolutely correct and your train of thought is correct. I was agreeing with you but because of it being ME and on a slightly different page (just like now) things come out different. I guess I am just an artiste and is sometimes hard to understand.

YOU have (get ready, here comes another one!) been nothing but a tremendous help in all that you have done and showing up and staying active in the thread and assisting when the time is needed. We are all glad that calgunners such as yourself lurk in the halls in these forums and help the lost ones get a clue.

Brainstorming various ideas can only help to better our options when the time to take enforcement is upon us (now I feel like I can no longer speak normal...) and that time could be sooner rather than later.

I hope this has cleared any confusion that there might have been. NoNOS67 had it correct. We should all tell folks in the public forums NOTHING about where we shoot. I will refer to this place as Steeale Peeka and spell it differently each time because I simply forgot how to spell it, but everyone needs to remember that nowadays anytime someone wants to find directions to go shoot they need only google it and who knows what pops up. fifty different spellings of the same spot might confuse them

I am willing to bet that if I were to launch one of these out of my truck once or twice and fly it around the mountain that might also help...
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Enjoy, I am off to SA to go kill some mercs...

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Why cant the CGN shooters who are out there work in conjunction with the BLM Resident Ranger there and setup a littering "Sting"?
The Ranger sits at the bottom of the dirt road, and we simply phone in auto descriptions and license plates for the idiots who don't clean up after themselves when they pull away from their shooting spots.
Good idea, but once you get back past that first turn, there isnt crap for cell coverage out there.
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I am sorry Darryl. Sometimes things get twisted when I say them. What you did was absolutely correct and your train of thought is correct. I was agreeing with you but because of it being ME and on a slightly different page (just like now) things come out different. I guess I am just an artiste and is sometimes hard to understand.

YOU have (get ready, here comes another one!) been nothing but a tremendous help in all that you have done and showing up and staying active in the thread and assisting when the time is needed. We are all glad that calgunners such as yourself lurk in the halls in these forums and help the lost ones get a clue.

Brainstorming various ideas can only help to better our options when the time to take enforcement is upon us (now I feel like I can no longer speak normal...) and that time could be sooner rather than later.

I hope this has cleared any confusion that there might have been. NoNOS67 had it correct. We should all tell folks in the public forums NOTHING about where we shoot. I will refer to this place as Steeale Peeka and spell it differently each time because I simply forgot how to spell it, but everyone needs to remember that nowadays anytime someone wants to find directions to go shoot they need only google it and who knows what pops up. fifty different spellings of the same spot might confuse them

I am willing to bet that if I were to launch one of these out of my truck once or twice and fly it around the mountain that might also help...
http://www.trendtimes.com/rc-predato...ane-drone.html


Enjoy, I am off to SA to go kill some mercs...
Whew! Glad that's over! I've spoken with you in the past and was (pretty) sure you were mistaken or I was...

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Good idea, but once you get back past that first turn, there isnt crap for cell coverage out there.
Last time I was there I had cell reception out in the back area with Verizon.
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ONCE AGAIN, I POSTED NO DETAILS ON THIS LOCATION!!! WHAT IS THE FREAKING PROBLEM HERE???

I AM THE ONE WHO SAID I WILL NOT POST THEM.... WHERE IS YOUR CONFUSION???

PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE THREAD, AND MAYBE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND!!!
First, take a deep breath.

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I guess I was just having one of those; "I dare you to knock this chip off my shoulder" days...It was not a good day for me! Sorry for the confusion(s).
Now if only I had some scotch!
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Sounds like you like my sting idea...?
I don't know about a sting but I am all for calling if there is some *****hat shooting full paint cans or tv's
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Big problem with this down south too! The butthurt when you ask people not to post locations is ridiculous!
This thread is going on 45,000 views... I don't think all those people are interested in cleaning up
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Or beer bottles, especially by the entrance. All the freaking time.
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I hate going there on weekends, but I may tomorrow as I have got to BLOW off some steam!
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I don't know about a sting but I am all for calling if there is some *****hat shooting full paint cans or tv's
I have never called a Ranger, though it has been on my mind before, but I have diplomatically threatened to report a group if they did not pick up their stuff, the group was responsive and complied. It's difficult to approach a group, I worry about dealing with a hothead, yet when you explain the nature of the situation how can one not understand? It's not something I do often at BLM spots. Calling a Ranger and reporting the plates would be a good option, but that is only if the group does not comply to preserving this particular spot. I may consider this action in the future.
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I normally warn people that the ranger likes to watch from the hills and write tickets as you are on your way out...and he does!

Just be cool about it. You're doing them a favor by giving them a heads up, right?
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Whew! Glad that's over! I've spoken with you in the past and was (pretty) sure you were mistaken or I was...

I love that RC Predator Drone... cool!


Last time I was there I had cell reception out in the back area with Verizon.
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My verizon cell is spotty out there too.

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I don't know about a sting but I am all for calling if there is some *****hat shooting full paint cans or tv's
Oh come on now. I hope you are referring to those 1 gallon cans and not spray cans. Spray cans ARE fun to shoot.

I know it is not very responsible of me to say that...


Logistically (can I say that here?) speaking There might need to be a few things worked out for any idea of a "sting" type of operation to work out properly.

Remember that we need to build everything as though it would be going to court so the first thing to do would HAVE to have MANDATORY evidence with photos and or maybe video footage (but I thought an appelate court ruled that video footage is a nogo in certain cases) but still, it needs to be documented. Then the next thing would be to have solid communications between reporters and the rangers. This MIGHT be best with a short range radio instead of a phone. Short range radio would probably handle better anyways and allow multiple people to talk faster then on a phone. Finally the crime needs to possibly be escalated to something that is higher than an infraction if it is not already. IIRC the officer MUST WITNESS an infraction. Just telling on someone is not good enough. If it is a Mis or Fel then that makes things a bit easier. Obviously Fel is out of the question nor would I really want to ruin anyone's life over a stupid littering FELONY conviction so clearly that is off the table, but if this is a Mis then that is good I think.

And finally again (because one finally is not enough and I am too lazy to replace the previous finally with a different word, but instead opt to just keep typing an explanation for not replacing it...) this would probably need to be a scheduled thing because they would have to probably pull a ranger away from whereever they are (cause I have not seen one out at steelae peeakea since last cleanup) and there would prolly need to be a contact or SOMEONE that was willing to head a group or go it alone out there, (but going it alone is kind of unfair) and work in shifts.

I am not pissing into anyone's cheerios, I am just saying that there could be other solutions that are not as demanding on resources. Maybe a study performed into the BLM hiring a range officer to actually patrol back and forth and cite folks for shooting bad things or having excessive garbage out perhaps? That guy better write enough tickets to pay for his salary or else the feds/state will not go for it. Do we REALLY want more LEO out there patrolling anyways? I mean, I like to get evil sometimes and bring something to hmmm, "mark" (like the time I marked my dayrunner with my AK- bad decision...) or punish (like my Belkin Omniport adjustment I made with my Deagle) but I have always brought my things back with me. Maybe a ranger or patrolling officer would not think that I was like that or maybe I would also have been ticketed because a piece or two of the pcb did not come back with it...

How about a DOUCHE board, like the time I came back and complained about the douche in the white toyota who was shooting his pistol from the OTHER side of the road and over our heads into the back of stael paek? A website devoted to footage/photos and license plates and showing why they are such douches to make it on the page? Too vindictive some might say.

Really it might be best to get that open communication with the rangers and see what they are able to do and what we are able to do to work with them.
Oh wait, was that said already? Mah bad...

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Yoda! YODA???

Hmmmmm... A dirtbag you are not.... Hmmmm

Clean up, you will do.... Hmmmmm

Ahhhh....The force is strong with you! (Say it with Yoda voice)

Seriously, I don't know what would be within the limits of the law. Several of us are waiting to hear from the Ranger.
If your neighbor can call the cops or Code Enforcement, yes the officer needs to see the "crime" for himself or herself.... but you will get written up!

However, if spots were numbered and a Ranger had evidence you were shooting at a certain spot (Photos) and that spot wasn't cleaned up afterwards... ticket time.

Again, brainstorming here... perhaps several of us that volunteer for such a job could be "deputized" for the duration of that "sting". All I know is if the word got out that the BLM ranger was REALLY WRITING EXPENSIVE TICKETS, the riff-raff would either clean up their garbage, or go somewhere else to shoot.

This problem isn't just a "Steel Peak" issue... it has affected every outdoor shooting spot I have ever been to. Bee Canyon, Manzanita Flats, Lytle Creek, etc. Its a Dirtbag issue and unfortunately it makes all of us "plinkers" look BAD!!!!

Any other suggestions or ideas???
ANY LEOs that shoot here want to chime in on legalities, or how we could do this within the letter of the law???
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Last time I was there I had cell reception out in the back area with Verizon.
Interesting, I have verizon aswell and once past that first right I lose all coverage unless I head to the top of a hill!
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Interesting, I have verizon aswell and once past that first right I lose all coverage unless I head to the top of a hill!
Hopefully the stars will align and I will get out there later today or b4 NFL tomorrow! I will check my reception again!
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Im new to CalGuns, Im not new to shooting, just really tired of paying range fees, I have access to a few pickup trucks and some people to go clean up out there as well as shoot... if I could get directions in a Pm, just want to do my part in keeping places like this open and fun!
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Im new to CalGuns, Im not new to shooting, just really tired of paying range fees, I have access to a few pickup trucks and some people to go clean up out there as well as shoot... if I could get directions in a Pm, just want to do my part in keeping places like this open and fun!
Here we go again...

With all respect ... Sorry we won't post locations/directions to places like this in an open forum, especially one like this that is overrun with littering riff-raff.

Also many here, including myself will not even answer a post or PM from a one, two, or three poster. Hang around a while and contribute and things will change!

If you cannot wait, then you can always ask at a local gun shop... or read the entire thread and you will get clues.

Sorry... I'm not trying to be difficult, but this place is literally on the verge of being shut down - and none of us who go there wants it closed and be forced to go to the desert!
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