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Default Does anyone make a 9x18 Makarov case length gauge?

Have searched Midway, Brownells, etc. and can't seem to locate one, other than the Lee setup for cutting and sizing 9mm Luger brass. Does anyone make just a regular steel cylindrical case gauge for 9x18 Makarov? What about 7.62 x 25 for the Tokarev?
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The short answer is no. I have even called Dillon to see if they would make a custom case gage for 9x18 Makarov. I have many Dillon case gages. You could always pick up a spare barrel to do the plunk test in. I have seen them on eBay for about $40.00. That way when your original Makarov barrel wears out you have a spare.


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Sorry prices on barrels are closer to $80.00 now. Tells you how long ago I looked for another Makarov barrel.

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If someone finds one, I'll buy a couple just to make it worth the production run.
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contact le wilson. I'm sure they could accommodate you
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If someone wants to have a 9x18 cartridge maximums reamer made, I can make a bunch of chamber checker gauges.

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Just for future reference, I asked LE Wilson and this was their reply, "Hello, I am sorry, we do not have the tooling to make that gage. I am sorry we cannot be of more help to you on this."

Bummer. My search continues for a 9x18 Mak Case Length Gage but I don't think it exists.
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I am wondering if the Trim-it guys could get some of them cranked out. Is there a bigger interest for a run of lets say 50 of them?
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My search continues for a 9x18 Mak Case Length Gage but I don't think it exists.
I can make 20 of them for $500.
You would have to buy all 20 of them though as I don't want to have to try and sell them off individually...
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use a set of calipers locked at the correct length
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I can make 20 of them for $500.

You would have to buy all 20 of them though as I don't want to have to try and sell them off individually...

I would pay up to $50 for an individual one.


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I would pay up to $50 for an individual one.
Start a group buy.
When you can get up to $500 in interested buyers, I can make 20 of them.
Then you can sell off the extra ones.
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I am in for one @ $50.00. I am far too busy with work stuff, Glass Factory Cleanup and VC Reloading Club to deal with selling them off though. How about you McGuiver? Bumslie, you in for one?
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I don't have time right now either. We would not need a reamer. If someone has access to a lathe you could bore the 2 ID diameters. It is a straight walled case. Very easy first year apprentice job...


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Since no one has time for a group buy, I did have time to see if uniquetek.com would add a new case gage to their line of products. I sent an email to ron@uniquetek.com. I will let you know what I hear back.

Can anyone else also send ron@uniquetek.com an email to request the same product?
Done, sent Ron an email detailing why he needs to make this, it will be a good seller as nobody else does. There are a lot of 9x18 Mak owners who reload.

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Sorry McGuiver, I accidentally edited your post rather than quoting it and I can't get it back. Didn't intend to change it. Sorry!
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I bought the Lee hand loader for the 50 AE . Nobody makes a case gauge for it either .
Years ago I had a machinist make me 3 case gauges for the 50 and the 9 mm . They were either loaned out / lost , so now I just use the Lee hand loaders .
The case gauges I have are good for plunk test , but not cartridge length unless you only load one / their size bullet .
If you reload [ why else would you want a case gauge ] then you know about OAL .
Go to ebay and watch for incomplete / missing parts Lee hand loaders .
If you play with different OAL . Bullets [ hard ball - FMJ , Hollow points ] The Lee's are quicker and easier to set up for 10 or less special rounds .
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We would not need a reamer.
If someone has access to a lathe you could bore the 2 ID diameters.
It is a straight walled case. Very easy first year apprentice job...
CIP cartridge maximums are NOT the same diameter for the case mouth, base of the case forward of the extractor groove and the rim diameter.

http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation...-en-page23.pdf

If all you want is a straight hole through a piece of stock, I would do it with a chucking reamer.
That won't meet the CIP print though.
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CIP cartridge maximums are NOT the same diameter for the case mouth, base of the case forward of the extractor groove and the rim diameter.

http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation...-en-page23.pdf

If all you want is a straight hole through a piece of stock, I would do it with a chucking reamer.
That won't meet the CIP print though.

That is why I would use the SAAMI print for max chamber...

[url]http://www.saami.org/pubresources/cc_drawings/Pistol/9%20x%2018%20Makarov.pdf[url]

Reamers wear out and need sharpening. If I still had a Hardinge dove tail tool room lathe I would do this myself in about 10 minutes. I always try to go by SAAMI specs for stuff I have done. With a straight walled case, it would be easy to drill, then bore to size. Right?


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That is why I would use the SAAMI print for max chamber...

[url]http://www.saami.org/pubresources/cc_drawings/Pistol/9%20x%2018%20Makarov.pdf[url]

Reamers wear out and need sharpening. If I still had a Hardinge dove tail tool room lathe I would do this myself in about 10 minutes. I always try to go by SAAMI specs for stuff I have done. With a straight walled case, it would be easy to drill, then bore to size. Right?


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Do you want to measure ammo or chambers?
Ammo maximums are for AMMO.
Chamber minimums are for GUNS.
If you made an AMMO gauge at CHAMBER MAXIMUM, what happens when your gun's chamber is NOT at CHAMBER MAXMIUM?

Reaming a chamber checker to a gun's chamber size is only good to tell you that the ammo you checked will fit the GAUGE, but not any other barrel.

The right way is to check the AMMO against the AMMO standard.
Ammo that meets the AMMO standard will fit in any chamber the is at the GUN minimums or larger.

Reaming beats boring every time.

The SAAMI print also shows the case body and chamber body to be tapered:
http://www.saami.org/pubresources/cc_drawings/Pistol/9%20x%2018%20Makarov.pdf
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Do you want to measure ammo or chambers?
Ammo maximums are for AMMO.
Chamber minimums are for GUNS.

Reaming a chamber checker to a gun's chamber size is only good to tell you that the ammo you checked will fit the GAUGE, but not any other barrel.

The right way is to check the AMMO against the AMMO standard.
Ammo that meets the AMMO standard will fit in any chamber the is at the GUN minimums or larger.

Reaming beats boring every time.

Reaming for chambers yes it wins hands down.


But for mass production of gages, no way. Are you saying you can't do the same as the reamer with a boarding bar? I know I could. The tool room lathe I used to use had a bushinged head with max 0.0001" TIR. It would do that no problem.




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Do you want to measure ammo or chambers?
Ammo maximums are for AMMO.
Chamber minimums are for GUNS.
If you made an AMMO gauge at CHAMBER MAXIMUM, what happens when your gun's chamber is NOT at CHAMBER MAXMIUM?

Reaming a chamber checker to a gun's chamber size is only good to tell you that the ammo you checked will fit the GAUGE, but not any other barrel.

The right way is to check the AMMO against the AMMO standard.
Ammo that meets the AMMO standard will fit in any chamber the is at the GUN minimums or larger.

Reaming beats boring every time.

The SAAMI print also shows the case body and chamber body to be tapered:
http://www.saami.org/pubresources/cc...%20Makarov.pdf

Even if the print shows a small taper, that could be set up with the tool lathe. We had a taper attachment that you could set up on the back of the lathe. And do repetitive taper cuts with by locking the cross slide to the taper attachment. 9x18 Makarov are usually considered to be straight walled case just like 380acp or 45acp.




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Not with the same quality of finish.
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Even if the print shows a small taper, that could be set up with the tool lathe. We had a taper attachment that you could set up on the back of the lathe. And do repetitive taper cuts with by locking the cross slide to the taper attachment. 9x18 Makarov are usually considered to be straight walled case just like 380acp or 45acp.
You seem to have this all figured out.
You should just do it how you like instead of worrying about how I would do it.

A proper CARTRIDGE MAXIMUMS gauge would include the throat section forward of the chamber so that headspace length of the cartridge case can also be checked.
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You seem to have this all figured out.

You should just do it how you like instead of worrying about how I would do it.



A proper CARTRIDGE MAXIMUMS gauge would include the throat section forward of the chamber so that headspace length of the cartridge case can also be checked.

I'm not worried how you would do it. I know your a perfectly good machinist in your own right for guns. There are plenty that can vouch for that. I was just saying that if your going to mass produce these a reamer is not the way to go. Have you ever done any mass production machining? Your barrel work seems to be a special one or 2 off stuff.

Also to point out that that CIP print you referenced seems to lack a lot info compared to the SAMMI print. It may just be me.

I do have a background from oilfield machining, tool and die making, aerospace machining to gear cutting, hobbing and broaching. I just like to have all the info for a project. I have all my hand tools still. I sold my machines and got out of the industry. If I still had my machines we would not be having this conversation. I have already reached out to a few people who do big runs of mass production. You seemed like you were bothered to even do them. Would one at $50 pay your shop time? I know your are local. I would even come to your place to pick it up and pay cash. First one to do them will get my money.


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Not with the same quality of finish.

You could achieve the same finish if not better with a boaring bar. Depends on what radius you have on the insert tip, and your feed and speeds. Using old school form tool (stepped reamer, with taper) was done because it was quick and dirty. Yes it works. You also have a very good chance of work hardening the surface of stainless steel, and creating chatter. Some one still has to create the reamer or purchase it $$$. All this can be done with tools on hand without the need of a reamer.


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I don't know why everyone thinks stuff has to be turned on a bed lathe. My first high school metal shop project was to make a complex round tube object on a drill press using hand tools like drills and files. I ended using the drill press as a vertical lathe. I mounted the bar stock in the chuck and put my turning tools, and drill bits on a cross slide on the bed of the drill press. I finished this one project in one week. It was supposed to last us a trimester. My teacher gave me an A+. My teacher had been waiting for someone to do that for 20+ years. That is what kind of thinking that makes you a tool and die maker. That was me thru High School and beyond.

I was just thinking, I still have my Criterion boring heads for a mill. I could mount one of these in my drill press and make my own case gage out of some bar stock end I have laying around. If I have any free time I may try it.

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I spoke with Ron from UniqueTek this afternoon. He said he would get a quote to see if it was feasible for them to make them. He said it looks pretty good. I also mentioned that some others including myself might be looking for some Tokarev gages also. I will keep everyone up to date on this.


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Yep, I would also be interested in 7.62x25 for the Tokarev also!
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Would one at $50 pay your shop time?
$50 would pay for the time.

To do them right, I would want the proper form tool to cut a complete CHAMBER, not just a cylinder with a hole straight through it.
$50 won't pay for the reamer.
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To do them right, I would want the proper form tool to cut a complete CHAMBER, not just a cylinder with a hole straight through it.

$50 won't pay for the reamer.

I agree. $100 might buy a HSS reamer. $200 for a brazed on carbide/HSS reamer. Tooling ain't cheap. Correct?


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I agree. $100 might buy a HSS reamer. $200 for a brazed on carbide/HSS reamer. Tooling ain't cheap. Correct?
$160 for a HSS form tool to do it right.
That's why I need to do 20 of them to make it worth buying the tool and material and spending the shop time to make them.
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My September issue of " The blue press " on page 85 has a chamber checker listed . Just says 9 mm , maybe they have yours also .
If you don't get the blue press catalog - their # is
1-800-762-3844
Call and they will put you on mailing list .
I know they carry the 9 mm par and I think the have the 9 mm Mar .
The start at 32 ACP and stop at the 45 colt / ACP . Nothing for 25 ACP or 50 AE .
It is worth having them send you a catalog - lots of info in it .
A few things to search for is bullet length , [ OAL ] , chamber checker , plunk test and case checker .
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Got this email from UniqueTek today. Unfortunately, IT IS NOT TRUE. I called Ron to order one and he said they have not come in YET. He told me they should be available in about 2 weeks, and please send him an email if you want to be notified when the are available. Good news is that it appears they will be $29.99 like the other calibers.


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Got this email from UniqueTek today. Unfortunately, IT IS NOT TRUE. I called Ron to order one and he said they have not come in YET. He told me they should be available in about 2 weeks, and please send him an email if you want to be notified when the are available. Good news is that it appears they will be $29.99 like the other calibers.


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Available for: 9x18, 9mm, 40 S&W, 38 Super,
38 Spl., 45 ACP, 45 LC and 44-40.

Item #: T1574-1 Click Here
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.32 ACP Click Here
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Glad to hear they are coming. I tried to call them today but it was busy.

Thanks for the info.
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HOT OFF THE PRESS!!! The 9x18 gauges are in. Here's the email I got:

The 9X18 case gauges arrived today!! We are currently making them live on the web site (T1574-07). Here is a link to the page:
http://www.uniquetek.com/site/696296/product/T1574-07
Please let the shooters on the blog know we now have them in stock.
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I'm glad they just brought them in. I just ordered one.


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There is an article in shotgun / firearms news you might want to read on the 9 .
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