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Old 08-03-2012, 5:49 PM
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Hi,

I know it might not be possible... I know there's a looooot of people that will hate on this thread... but I'm free to dream right?! lol

I did a very quick concept of a revolver chambered in 308...
or if it's way too much... maybe 223/556...

would love to know if it's even possible! lol

any critics are welcome tho!

One man can dream right?

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That's actually pretty badass... pure novelty over course, but just like other hand cannons out there. What about a knurled/molded grip into the bottom of the barrel... kinda like a fancy 12 gauge fore end on a pump shotty.

EDIT: Hell make it pump action!
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haha i like the sound of that!
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If you check the cylinder length on the big X frame Smiths you will note that it is specced to take a full length 5.56/.223 easily.

Unfortunately it looks like Smith dropped the idea.
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Nice design work.... .308 would leave the muzzle roughly 500 ft lbs (roughly 2500 ft/lbs) more energy than a light weight .50 AE round (2000 ft lbs). This is just spit ball data as I dont think anyone has ballistic data on a .308 shot out of barrel that short. I have heard some folks talk about .308 AR10 pistols as plausible, likely someone on CGN has done it with an 80% lower.
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I c... Yeah I don't have all the ballistic data... so I guess a lighter caliber huh?
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Thats looks nasty.


Me likey!
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updated... with a shell ejector...
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This concept will have to be a custom job. Even then not too many shops will take it on except probably Gunsmoke of American Guns fame. Problems you'll end up with are, brass set back locking up the action unless you download your ammo. Gas cutting the front strap making the gun's life very limited. I'm not sure if the cylinder will contain the pressures.

You can make it work if you make sort of like a Gatling gun, but with barrels chambered in 308 and they revolve. Make it a 3 shot/barrels and it can still be wielded by a regular Joe. Just my 2 bits. Btw - I like your drawing it looks like it's a gun from those high tech cowboy movies like Cowboys vs Aliens or Priest. That will be a cool gun for the sequel if they make one.
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That is a real nice design!
I'd take one in any caliber from .22lr on up!
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If, on lockup, the cylinder were to move forward slightly into the forcing cone, like a weird foreign revolver whose name escapes me at the moment, it would avoid strap cutting and contain some of the horrendous CG blast.

Found it.

Somewhat like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMHE...eature=related

But I imagine you would have to machine the end of the cylinder to mate with the forcing cone.
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if you can get a 45-70, (judge) 445 magnum revolver, (dan wesson), and i am not sure of the overall length of a 357 maximum, but a 223 revolver, could be possible

but i don't get a single shot, that the t/c contender hasn't already addressed

sorry, the title said revolver, but the drawing looks like a single-shot
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Neat!

Be sure to have a scaled down .223 model for the lady gun market!
And actually I'd kick around the idea of buying a .223 if the price were right. I really dig the idea of running common ammo. I am working up to getting my wife on board for a .357 lever action.

A few questions to any gun designers around:

Are top break revolver frames weaker than side swingers? Would it make sense to try & work a full length top strap into that thing?
The grip angle seems a bit aggressive. Is there any kind of rule of thumb on maximum grip angle? Is the extreme angle going to help protect the wrist during firing or is it just to make the gun look slick?

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Neat!

Be sure to have a scaled down .223 model for the lady gun market!
And actually I'd kick around the idea of buying a .223 if the price were right. I really dig the idea of running common ammo. I am working up to getting my wife on board for a .357 lever action.

A few questions to any gun designers around:

Are top break revolver frames weaker than side swingers? Would it make sense to try & work a full length top strap into that thing?
The grip angle seems a bit aggressive. Is there any kind of rule of thumb on maximum grip angle? Is the extreme angle going to help protect the wrist during firing or is it just to make the gun look slick?

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Are top break revolver frames weaker than side swingers?

The grip angle seems a bit aggressive.
These were my two thoughts exactly. Top break would have to be designed really burly to handle .308. Grip angle seems somewhat extreme. Looks sweet. The angle looks somewhat like what you get when you cut a rifle down into a pistol.

...kinda like a Mosin Nagant 7.62x54R pistol:




A cylinder that moves forwards and gas seals on the forcing cone like a Nagant revolver would be sick.

Anyway, sweet drawing!!!
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Seems to be a little anime flavor in that there pistol...

In addition to the other factors pointed out here, you can test how well your grip design works by finding a .308 rifle, perhaps a bolt action without scope to simulate the probable weight of your design, holding it like a pistol and firing it. I suspect you might consider modifying the grip angle after that.

You may have to beef up the latch design also, but I like the out-of-the-box thinking.
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Meh, Already have a 223 hand gun (and a 30-30)

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Of course it's possible, and I like the X-frame idea TKM mentioned, just to be another expensive range toy if nothing else. Nice drawing, BTW.

Years ago a feller told me about a jungle-workshop 5.56mm revolver from the Marcos days in the Philippines. The reb 'smith had made it for that caliber since that was the ammo they could acquire (steal) the easiest.

Friend had seen a video of it being tested. There was a series of clicks, followed by a muffled boom, followed by the shooter screaming and grabbing his face and staggering off camera, followed by a hearty round of laughter from the onlookers.
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Very cool. Very "Borderlands" (video game) like style. Though in reality, I have hear bottleneck style cartridge is an issue with revolver. So the cylinder might need some detail redesign. As what JermyS mentioned, something like Nagant revolver will make this concept perfect.
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Also, although I would love to see more topbreak revolver. 308 or even 223 might just be too much for a topbreak.

Again, pretty cool idea and design.
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That's really some nice artwork.
Not sure what software you're using, but you should certainly translate that into some fully shaded and nicely lit 3D renderings.

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Hi,

I know it might not be possible... I know there's a looooot of people that will hate on this thread... but I'm free to dream right?! lol

I did a very quick concept of a revolver chambered in 308...
or if it's way too much... maybe 223/556...

would love to know if it's even possible! lol

any critics are welcome tho!

One man can dream right?

Cheers!

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thx! I actually work for a video game company and design all kinds of stuff... from weapons, vehicles to characters, monsters...
thanks guys for all the input! gotta wrap my head around and come up withsolutions to all those eventual issues...

I've always wanted to design a cool modern version of a side by side shotty so that's what I'm working on right now haha

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I've always wanted to design a cool modern version of a side by side shotty so that's what I'm working on right now haha

cheers!

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I keep thinking that the design would also look great as some kind of O/U. Perhaps that could be your "shotty".
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It dosn't look anything like that, but Magnum Research makes the BFR in a .30/30 and in .45-70
IIRC they toyed around with a 5.56 version as well, but never ended up selling it.
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hmmm why not... let's see...
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thx! I actually work for a video game company and design all kinds of stuff... from weapons, vehicles to characters, monsters...
thanks guys for all the input! gotta wrap my head around and come up withsolutions to all those eventual issues...

I've always wanted to design a cool modern version of a side by side shotty so that's what I'm working on right now haha

cheers!

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Nice. So, do you guys use Max or Maya?
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I'm just a concept artist, I don't do 3D anymore...
at work the modelers use Maya, Mudbox... and I'm as skilled in 3D as they are lol
it's easier for me to do a full color render in photoshop! haha
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side by side shotty?

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If, on lockup, the cylinder were to move forward slightly into the forcing cone, like a weird foreign revolver whose name escapes me at the moment, it would avoid strap cutting and contain some of the horrendous CG blast.
1895 Nagant revolver. This feature also had the benefit of making it entirely sound-surpressable.
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side by side shotty?
It's not CA legal...
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i know... -___-
but it's legal to dream!
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Very neat concept. Would be nice if the cylinder would lock up (as already mentioned) and make a wrap around shroud to grab-hold with support hand.

This is my concept for a revolver.
Break-open like yours.
4 rounds hexagonal cylinder ,2 barrels, select fire (fire 2 shots instantly or one at the time). I call it two by four.


& this one

sorry, not trying to ruin your thread.
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Concept looks great! Trigun anyone?

Both 223 and 308 are also rimless, so a "moon" clip may be required, but will need to be inletted into the cylinder to provide full case head support. The biggest challenge would be getting the consistent headspace from the breach face and the cylinder. 308 Go and No-go only differ about 0.004", if too long, the case will fail under 62K psi resulting a hand grenade.

Or maybe use 30-30 Win rimmed. Oh, wait MR's BFR already done this.

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that's awesome! love all the concepts! you guys should keep them coming! really inspiring!
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kindasorta reminds me of the gun Harrison Ford (Decker) used in Blade Runner. Retro-futuristic (in a good way). Good work

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I know it might not be possible... I know there's a looooot of people that will hate on this thread... but I'm free to dream right?! lol

I did a very quick concept of a revolver chambered in 308...
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would love to know if it's even possible! lol

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One man can dream right?

Cheers!

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