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Old 07-25-2012, 11:06 PM
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Default Fake jungle carbine?

I was kicking around the idea of acquiring one of those fake lee enfield jungle carbines from the 60's and bubba-ing it up into some post-colonial great white hunter monstrosity....

Good idea or bad?


Would an ishapore in 7.62 be a better starting point?

Budget would be around $1000 bucks all in.
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umm... WHY?
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because....


boredom project...something to mess around with.
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I don't mean to derail your thread, but whats the deal behind the Enfield jungle carbines? I saw one at the gun store for the first time the other day.
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I don't mean to derail your thread, but whats the deal behind the Enfield jungle carbines? I saw one at the gun store for the first time the other day.
The No.5 was essentially a carbine version of the No.4, albeit heavily modified. They are popular among C&R enthusiasts, but were never a big hit with the British military. They claimed the No.5 had a wandering zero.
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It's a cool little carbine that shoot the venerable .303. He thing kicks like a mule, has a big blast (loud), and the rubberized butt plate digs into your shoulder with intensity.

What's not to like? :-)
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boredom project...something to mess around with.
$1000 ? buy 10 or so monsin nagant M91-30 and have 10X more fun.
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Even the 60s, Santa Fe, versions of the No. 5 have some collector value so if you're gunna' just mess it up to look like something else, why not start with something that no one else wants? Or something you can buy by the crate?
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Just get a No4 and go to it.
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The Jungles were considerably lighter than the standard Lee Enfield. Here's a pic showing you the difference. 3rd from the top is a jungle carbine.
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You can buy my LE No4 for $250, Fun Baby. Then you still have $750 to Bubba with...
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Like Mosins, Enfields are great bubba project platforms. Awesome action, great caliber. Just try to find one that someone has already ruined. They're not hard to find.
One of my first C&R buys was a sportered #5, which I restored to mil-spec:

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You can buy my LE No4 for $250, Fun Baby. Then you still have $750 to Bubba with...
Mk I or Mk II?
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Mk I or Mk II?
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I like the .308 version as is... However, I was originally thinking of making mine more Planet of the Apes looking.

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No5's come up for sale every now and again. My buddy picked one up last year for a great price. I have an Ishapore 2A1 in 7.62 nato that's a fun rifle. As far as bubba-ing....I wouldn't touch a No5, however, the 2A1 would be fun. Mine wears scope mounts and has a 12 round mag. Makes a great scout rifle.
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Look around for a sporterized Enfield before going after one of the Santa Fe conversions.
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Thanks Mr Finch, I'll bear your rifle in mind if I start at a No 4.

Been searching the net for potential rifles. Seems sporterized lee enfields are not that hard to find...hmm..plenty of options.
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Any one know of any scope mounting options that would let still use chargers?
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i wouldn't screw up a real no.5 and i understand the 7.62 ishapores can be scary so either one of the santa fe type conversions or just buy a cheap no.4 and bubba the hell out of it. there's plenty of ugly ones out there with decent bores. i'm doing something similar with a mosin barreled action. when i get done it may shoot 3-inch groups at 100 yds but will sure look cool! lol. sometimes you just have to do something different. aside from that, i don't really condone sporterizing of nice rifles, but i do own a few sporters i got that way and love them. good luck and enjoy!
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Anyone know a fair price for a Santa fe conversion?
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Anyone know a fair price for a Santa fe conversion?
Original No.5s are in the $400-$500 range, so less than that.

Sporter enfields can be found for dirt cheap.
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Sorry you missed out on my LE for sale, Funbaby. Good Luck!
I have one you can test shoot this weekend @ USI, if you'd like.
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i paid somewhere between 3 and 400 for my no.5 at the gun show in costa mesa a couple yrs ago. looked at it about 3 times and the price tag was like 450 or something. when i came back the 3rd time or so and asked to really look at it the guy offered a lower price so i took it. i love the old carbines, got a great deal on a folding-bayonet carcano and a type 38 arisaka carbine 600 for both at the show and can't complain. military carbines are cool. still want an fr-8. anyhow, just hold out for a good deal on a real no.5 unless you really want a "custom" carbine. good luck either way!
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i paid somewhere between 3 and 400 for my no.5 at the gun show in costa mesa a couple yrs ago. looked at it about 3 times and the price tag was like 450 or something. when i came back the 3rd time or so and asked to really look at it the guy offered a lower price so i took it. i love the old carbines, got a great deal on a folding-bayonet carcano and a type 38 arisaka carbine 600 for both at the show and can't complain. military carbines are cool. still want an fr-8. anyhow, just hold out for a good deal on a real no.5 unless you really want a "custom" carbine. good luck either way!
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Old 08-30-2012, 7:59 PM
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Project on hold due to someone burglarizing my garage. Need a new bike now. Grrrr.
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What's scary about a ishapore 2a?

There was a company in Australia that was doing cabinet size 2a' s. Looked very nice
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No 5's were only made for about 5 years. They were intended for the British forces in Burma ; but, few were fielded. Considering their uniqueness; and relatively low production figures, they don't get the respect due them.

They probably do have a wandering zero; but firing through their flash suppressor, which is like a funnel; probably explains it. The MKI sight goes out to 800 yards. Anyone who can shoot a No5 at 800 years might notice a wandering zero.

They are fun to shoot; but few people will spend a day at the range with a No5.
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