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Old 07-05-2012, 3:54 PM
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Default I'm thinking of converting my M&P 15 to bolt action

I'm thinking of converting my M&P 15 to a bolt action.
I can go with the side pull method or straight pull method, or this from SGC in England.
SGC Southern Gun 9mm AR15 Lever Release MK1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsDqE...6&feature=plcp
What I want to know is, Are there any U.S. made kits available to convert my 5.56 Ar15 to bolt action?
Thanks for your help.

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Remove the gas tube, you will now have a straight pull ar-15.
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Remove the gas tube, you will now have a straight pull ar-15.
That's it?
I thought I would have to at least have a Specialized charging handle and alter the bolt release in some way...
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Why? Just sell it and buy a bolt action. That's like buying a Corvette and putting a Prius engine in it.
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Why? Just sell it and buy a bolt action. That's like buying a Corvette and putting a Prius engine in it.
I'm just thinking along the lines of if Yee is actually successful and bans my AR15 in its current form... I should have a back up plan. Of course I will keep the left over parts.
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That's it?
I thought I would have to at least have a Specialized charging handle and alter the bolt release in some way...
That's it. It's the gas that causes the bolt to cycle on it's own. No gas = straight pull every shot. You could get a side charger if you want, but it's not necessary to make a single shot AR.

Although I don't see why you wouldn't just get a bolt action rifle if that's what you want.
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That's it. It's the gas that causes the bolt to cycle on it's own. No gas = straight pull every shot. You could get a side charger if you want, but it's not necessary to make a single shot AR.

Although I don't see why you wouldn't just get a bolt action rifle if that's what you want.
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"I'm just thinking along the lines of if Yee is actually successful and bans my AR15 in its current form... I should have a back up plan. Of course I will keep the left over parts."
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As stated before:
"I'm just thinking along the lines of if Yee is actually successful and bans my AR15 in its current form... I should have a back up plan. Of course I will keep the left over parts."
IF Yee succeeds, we have no idea what "conversion kit " will define. A better backup plan would be to go featureless.
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IF Yee succeeds, we have no idea what "conversion kit " will define. A better backup plan would be to go featureless.
If you go featureless what are you going to do about the hand grip? that too may fall under the conversion kit law.
If you remove the gas tube it is no longer a semiautomatic.
and is not considered an assault weapon. Also I will be able to dust off my pre ban 30 round mags.

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If you go featureless what are you going to do about the hand grip? that too may fall under the conversion kit law.
If you remove the buffer tube it is no longer a semiautomatic.
and is not considered an assault weapon. Also I will be able to dust off my pre ban 30 round mags.
As I understand it the term " conversion kit" has not been clearly defined. So we won't know what will fall under its scope, but the bill seems to go after bullet button kits.

For a featureless set up you need a fixed stock, not to remove the buffer tube. A grip wrap or HH grip to eliminate the PG and not use a flashider.
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Suppose they make us remove the bb altogether and we have to reload by removing the upper, I would rather have a straight pull and use my pre ban mags, and if all I have to do is remove the gas tube then That's what I'll do.

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Suppose they make us remove the bb altogether and we have to reload by removing the upper, I would rather have a straight pull and use my pre ban mags, and if all I have to do is remove the buffer tube then That's what I'll do.
Why do you keep talking about removing the buffer tube? All AR-15(aside from some piston variants) need a buffer tube. Fixed stock has a buffer tube, collapsible stock has a buffer tube, pistol has a buffer tube...
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Let's cross that bridge when we come to it, and for now concentrate on defeating the bill.
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Why do you keep talking about removing the buffer tube? All AR-15(aside from some piston variants) need a buffer tube. Fixed stock has a buffer tube, collapsible stock has a buffer tube, pistol has a buffer tube...
Did you read the title of my post?

If the gas tube is not attached it will no longer be a semiautomatic and as a result not fall under the Assault weapon ban designation.

Thus it will need to be manually cycled like a bolt rifle.

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Suppose they make us remove the bb altogether and we have to reload by removing the upper, I would rather have a straight pull and use my pre ban mags, and if all I have to do is remove the buffer tube then That's what I'll do.
You mean the gas tube?
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Lol my title says blot action not bolt action.
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You mean the gas tube?
Boy am I embarrassed. Yes I mean gas tube.
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Why? Just sell it and buy a bolt action. That's like buying a Corvette and putting a Prius engine in it.
????? I bet my bolt action upper will kick your little semi auto upper's azz. Wanna meet somewhere and see who can break 10 clay pigeons on the 1000 yard berm faster? I'm willing to bet that my little bolt action AR upper will hit all 10 before you break your first one. BTW, this isn't just blowing smoke. It's a serious challenge if you and your little "corvette" are up to it.
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^??????…looks somebody pissed in your kool aid today! Trust me you bolt action AR is not hitting clays at 1000 yards. So your saying you can pull the trigger cycle the action x10 faster then I can just pull the trigger? Hmmmm, I would take that challenge but I don't play guns with kids and you wouldn't be able to reach my location.

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????? I bet my bolt action upper will kick your little semi auto upper's azz. Wanna meet somewhere and see who can break 10 clay pigeons on the 1000 yard berm faster? I'm willing to bet that my little bolt action AR upper will hit all 10 before you break your first one. BTW, this isn't just blowing smoke. It's a serious challenge if you and your little "corvette" are up to it.
Hey CSACANNONEER What kind of set up do you have?
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^??????…looks somebody pissed in your kool aid today! Trust me you bolt action AR is not hitting clays at 1000 yards
I don't understand, why do you think a bolt action AR can't hit a target at 1000 yds?
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^223/556 @ 1000 yards?
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^??????…looks somebody pissed in your kool aid today! Trust me you bolt action AR is not hitting clays at 1000 yards. So your saying you can pull the trigger cycle the action x10 faster then I can just pull the trigger? Hmmmm, I would take that challenge but I don't play guns with kids and you wouldn't be able to reach my location.
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Let's cross that bridge when we come to it, and for now concentrate on defeating the bill.
Thanks you jesus...
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^223/556 @ 1000 yards?
I see.
He didn't mention the caliber of his upper.
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^sweet but can CSA's do it?
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I see.
He didn't mention the caliber of his upper.
Watch the video I just posted(that guy is also a calgunner btw), 5.56/.223 at 1000 yards out of a semi auto AR(also doable with a bolt action). Just ignore anything weber_2 posts.

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^sweet but can CSA's do it?
Why is there any reason to assume his can't? It's not some impossible rarity.
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Look what I found http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=4...UPPER-RECEIVER
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I believe CSA's bolt upper is a .50 cal.
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IF Yee succeeds, we have no idea what "conversion kit " will define. A better backup plan would be to go featureless.
Or move to another state and not have to worry about it (worked for me)
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Sorry bout the thread jack, and good luck to your endeavours on finding a bolt action upper....I'm done trying to argue cuz its pointless doing it in a thread...lates!
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Why hasn't someone converted an M-4 so that the hand guard PUMPS the action? This had ARs like this in South Africa. Anyone seen a PUMP AR?
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This guy's shooting at 1,000 yards with a 20" service rifle upper, open sights and a sling.

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A service rifle has a stainless barrel??
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^??????…looks somebody pissed in your kool aid today! Trust me you bolt action AR is not hitting clays at 1000 yards. So your saying you can pull the trigger cycle the action x10 faster then I can just pull the trigger? Hmmmm, I would take that challenge but I don't play guns with kids and you wouldn't be able to reach my location.
No cool aid today. I was just responding to your assine post with a challenge for you to prove your stroller is worthy of the corvette emblem your mommy sewed on it.

While it appears that this thread lost it's "expert on long distance shooting", if you happen to come back, I'll keep the challenge open. I'm willing to make the 4 hour drive to Coalinga (it's close to the middle of the state), bring you in as my guest, pay your range fees and bet you my fuel cost to get there against your's. You pick a weekend when there's not a schedualed match and we'll do it. Hell, I'll even buy you dinner at this little oyster bar that's in town.

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Hey CSACANNONEER What kind of set up do you have?
Got any pics?
8-32X NXS on an ALS single shot upper all on a FAB10 lower. It's behind my other bolt action "AR".

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It's a trap!
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Check this out, it's a side cocking bolt and upper receiver.
http://www.fulton-armory.com/boltcar...ngwhandle.aspx

Another way to do it could be to use a large charging handle to operate the bolt from the back with you left hand. Something like this, http://brigadearmory.com/catalog/pro...cfd6fa2214e62e

I think a bolt action upper would be kind of cool from a take your time precision stand point.
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