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Old 07-02-2012, 8:32 AM
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Default Mosin firing pin protrusion ?

I don't have the gauge but is the firing pin supposed to stick out this far this is in the position to dissassemble

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Old 07-02-2012, 8:43 AM
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Your Mosin didn't come with the tool? If not, get one. You can't eyeball the difference between the go and no go protrusion as far as I know. The tool is only $8.00 http://www.amazon.com/Mosin-Nagant-B...rds=mosin+tool

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Old 07-02-2012, 8:55 AM
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Yes, get the tool. The pin should not be out that far. 0.095" is the max. Do you know how to adjust the firing pin length by taking the bolt apart?
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Old 07-02-2012, 9:00 AM
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No it didn't come with it I just ordere the okie head space gauges to chek that and I adjust the depth with the screw on the back of the bolt ? Also side bar here I was looking at the rifling today an it's crisp and bright on the chamber side but the rifling is as crisp at the muzzle side will this adversely effect the firing Im not concerned about precision I just want to hit pie plates at 100 yards
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You can't just turn the screw on the back to adjust the pin. You have to do some bolt disassembly to adjust the firing pin. There is a rectangular hole through the bolt body which prevents the pin from rotating, so it won't go out of adjustment. You need to disassemble the bolt so the pin clears this hole, then turn the screw to back out the pin.
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Old 07-02-2012, 9:15 AM
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Ok I ordered the tool
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:25 AM
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Smart move, you will use it when you continue to buy more Mosins. It is a disease, I just bought my first 91/30 and now am eying the M44s.
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:28 AM
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I had the 9130 but I like the m44 I'm just concerned about the rifling being heavily worn on the last 2 inches of barrel
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Are you sure it's worn and not counterbored? Counterboring actually improves accuracy. Sounds like you haven't shot it yet. Go take it to the range and then you can fret about factual rather than imagined issues
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No it's not counter bored Ivan still see some of the old rifling but it's not sharp and I'm waiting to get the gauge to check firing pin protrusion. Got the head space gauges today an it's all good
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Default IIRC, guage is Go/No Go from .75mm - .85mm

it will end up being a single turn to get on either side of correct setting.
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So I want no less that .075 but no more than .095
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Look on YouTube for Mosin Nagant bolt dissassembly and firing pin protrusion. I bought two cleaning kits with the tools plus another, so I have three. It's very useful and I will be checking the firing myself before taking my Mosin to the range.
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Mosins are sort of like Gremlins.

Put one in your safe and they just seem to multiply.
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Ya tell me about it I'm just now at big 5 getting 1928 Russian hex reciver
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Ya tell me about it I'm just now at big 5 getting 1928 Russian hex reciver
Dude great find! I'm jealous in a good way.

I only say that because I've been wanting to get an ex-dragoon from the late 20s, specifically from Tula since I have nothing from there.
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Big 5 in elcajon has one more hex from 32 the stock on the one ingot was the best next the their "sniper" and another one for 350 then there's two rounds with dark war time stocks they all have decent bores and come with accessorys supposedly a bayo sling oil can ammo pouch and cleaning kit I didn't see a bayo in the accessory kit tho
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Old 07-02-2012, 6:33 PM
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Well, I wouldn't call it a real cleaning kit, not worth your time.

But yes, it should come with a bayo, sling, oiler, and a pouch or two.
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Im goin to have to bug them for the bayo I made them hand me every mosin and I checked them all out every able I could I even head spaced them and made them show me the accessorys I think the dude was annoyed that I came in
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IDK if they changed anything, but AFAIK they always throw in the bayonet. Perhaps since they use a different source, they may not have bayonets....who knows?

To be frank, they are cheap and missing out on one isn't a terrible loss.
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I know but I like the bayo my m44 has one my ak has one it's just fitting for a Russian rifle
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I used a depth gauge on m verner caliper and set the pin to just under .070 if I adjust it over 1/2 turn it goes to .80 which is better / safer
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I used a depth gauge on m verner caliper and set the pin to just under .070 if I adjust it over 1/2 turn it goes to .80 which is better / safer
I'd go .080. The pin is supposed to reach .075 but not .095
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Big 5 in elcajon has one more hex from 32 the stock on the one ingot was the best next the their "sniper" and another one for 350 then there's two rounds with dark war time stocks they all have decent bores and come with accessorys supposedly a bayo sling oil can ammo pouch and cleaning kit I didn't see a bayo in the accessory kit tho
I have heard of some great finds at Big 5, yet paying DROS, tax, and the 10 day wait just seem to kill it on a C&R gun.

I have snagged 3 Mosins here on CG, and all three were matching beauties with all the accessories.
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Ya I know but I don't usually browse the classified here looking for guns I just happend to go to big5 and saw them and of course the gf encouraged me to get it damn her adding to my addiction Now I want a 38 or a nicer 44
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Ya I know but I don't usually browse the classified here looking for guns I just happend to go to big5 and saw them and of course the gf encouraged me to get it damn her adding to my addiction Now I want a 38 or a nicer 44
She is a keeper!
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i sell kits on ebay. why do these rifles not come with the accesory kits? i have sold 70 unissued kits so far and none are sold in california. always florida,colorado,pennsylvania,mass. and some other states not on west coast. i had 7 loose kits i gave away without pouches. i am even listed on smiths-sights in guild.
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I really need an accessory kit for the 44 with sling and ammo pouch oil can and all that jazz
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oil cans and ammo pouches i do have,only sling left is naval infantry dark blue with black dog collars.
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How much will you let a few 2-3 ammo pouches go for ? And do you know where to get the bandoleers ?
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im having trouble taking my bolt apart. i bought my father in law a mosin for xmas and he got drunk and tried to take the bolt apart and failed. i cannot line up the lines i ordered a new tool since i stripped his. i have tried to take it apart so many times using the wood. trick and it just spins. does not come apart. im at my wits end i have looked at every website and video on youtube and cannot fix it. any suggestions? thank you
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Got the tool yesterday and I had used a micrometer to set it to .080 and used the tool to double check it worked great
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Ya tell me about it I'm just now at big 5 getting 1928 Russian hex reciver
cool. should be nice.
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im having trouble taking my bolt apart. i bought my father in law a mosin for xmas and he got drunk and tried to take the bolt apart and failed. i cannot line up the lines i ordered a new tool since i stripped his. i have tried to take it apart so many times using the wood. trick and it just spins. does not come apart. im at my wits end i have looked at every website and video on youtube and cannot fix it. any suggestions? thank you
did he hammer end of cocking knob and mushroom/peen over, the threaded end of firing pin?
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billmaykafer. i dont really understand but on the top of the bolt where the bolt lines up with the line. the threads have came out a lil bit. is it toast?
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Mix post a pic of it. the end of the bolt on the cocking knob there's a slotted screw that has a line across the knob that should line up with the guide rod slots. He is asking you if the screw was backed out and peened or smashed over to cause thread distortion
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He wants to know why this part looks like.
Basically take your bolt out of the rifle it should look like this.
The coking knob is on the far left end of the bolt in the picture. This is where you pull back and twist to put Into the disassembly position like this. pull the bolt head and guide rod straight forward from the body like this.
Rotate the bolt head to the left an pull straight off. You should now have something that looks similar to this.
Now you will have a bolt body, firing pin, mainspring, and cocking knob as one unit. take the teardrop bolt tool and use the deepest notch as a wrench to unthread the firing pin. Warning there is spring tension be careful
See pics 1,2 in next post. this is what you should end up with. Now check to make sure your threads on the firing pin ad coking knob are good like see pic 3,4 in next post
If its peened over on the end and won't thread out you may have to thread it in and grind off the damaged portion. Reassembly is the exact reverse of dissassembly. Make sure to check protrusion I at first set mine to .080" using a depth gauge and checked with the tool from my naval infantry cleaning kit courtesy of billmaykafer it shoul touch the 75 mark but not the 95 you can be on eith side of the right amount but make sure you do not go past 95 see pic 5,6 in next post
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