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Old 07-03-2012, 9:27 AM
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assembly members Hagman and Mitchell absent the committee
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So right now its 50/50?
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No, it passes out of Assm PS and will move to Assm Approps.
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What a joke...

What's next? Let's ban the hammerhead grip? It makes me wonder at the sanity of these people... my bullet button rifle is somehow more dangerous better than my M1A with 20 round pre ban mags? Idiots.
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Well hopefully we can kill it with fire in the next round.
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Wth I thought hagman was "ooh yeah of course I'm going to vote against it" and he doesnt even show up...
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Any update as to the vote?
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Well after listening to Yee, he is going after the mag magnets.

Here is the a link from another thread
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Well after listening to Yee, he is going after the mag magnets.

Here is the a link from another thread
I bet he also said that he wasn't stealing the sun tan lotion after he was caught shop lifting it
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Clearly he states the mag magnet is the issue, wether or not that is specifically named in the bill is another matter.
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First off full disclosure I'm very Liberal but I own guns.. so here is my take on this legislation after I read it 3 times.

An AR lower without a magazine release button is not a weapon because the magazine will not stay rendering the AR ineffective and non operational.
A magazine release button renders the weapon illegal because it creates an operational weapon with a detachable magazine.
A bullet button renders the weapon legal because it creates an operational weapon with a fixed magazine.

This bill the way it reads depends on how you define a weapon with a fixed magazine. I think you can make the case that bullet buttons is the part that fixes the magazine and this bill outlaws "parts" or kits that allows you to bypass the bullet button ie.. the mag magnet, or the thing you put on your thumb - it doesn't outlaw the bullet button

best way i can decribe it is your safe is locked and you need to put in a key to turn and open it. when the key is out it is a locked safe. if you had a device to snaps onto the keyhole and all you needed to do was press a button or pull on it and it turns the locks and opens the safe all at once that would be what would be illegal under this bill and not the lock itself

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wouldn't that mean we can only use a specific tool to release the mag?
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No the mag magnet attxhes to the gun and stays there for the operator to press it and release the mag.

When use a tool (bullet tip, pen, etc) its not attched to the rifle when u use it so its legal and that's what makes the difference between the mag magnet and any other unattached bullet button tool
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Wth I thought hagman was "ooh yeah of course I'm going to vote against it" and he doesnt even show up...

what an ******* he said he is definitely against it in his BS response email.

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That recording is very revealing. Yee could not find his *** with both hands. "....these magnets make the guns automatic.....its an, uh, assault weapons thing they are doing...."

Un****ing believeable. Automatic weapons??

Another idiot spoke in opposition but he claimed that the mag magnet can only physically be affixed upon a 22 rim fire. Saying dumb stuff, even in opposition is not helpful. Clearly a mag magnet could physically be placed over any bullet button regardless of the caliber of the weapon be it, 223; 6.8; 308; 300 Blackout.
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How many of us got Hagman's e-mail assuring us that he voted against it once and would be there to oppose it today. I still have my copy from Hagman along with two others that said I wasn't in their district, so basically "F" off.
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How many of us got Hagman's e-mail assuring us that he voted against it once and would be there to oppose it today. I still have my copy from Hagman along with two others that said I wasn't in their district, so basically "F" off.
That's more or less what I received as well.
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Thankfully it's the yes votes that count. Abstaining from a vote is the same as a no.
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Go to his facebook page and tell him to stop this madness.

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What a joke this in. I can't even beleive this law. Like criminals care about bullet buttons. What is he trying to prove. Send Yee back to China so he can try an fix their problems. Friggen retard
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No, it passes out of Assm PS and will move to Assm Approps.
Ok, it goes to assm approps......what in turn do they do?
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Thankfully it's the yes votes that count. Abstaining from a vote is the same as a no.
Abstaining goes with the majority - pro or con - per Roberts Rules of Order
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Wonder how he would fare in a country where the common citizen can't own a gun - or even speak freely?
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This feels like the open carry ban all over again. It's going to become law, watch.
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have hope we are not done yet
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best way i can decribe it is your safe is locked and you need to put in a key to turn and open it. when the key is out it is a locked safe. if you had a device to snaps onto the keyhole and all you needed to do was press a button or pull on it and it turns the locks and opens the safe all at once that would be what would be illegal under this bill and not the lock itself

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isnt that just a KEY?? that is saying that the key is not illegal to use in the lock... because it can stay in the lock.. and can be used to open the safe...

no bill should be passed .. on basis of public nuisance or not... without evidence to substantiate PUBLIC NUISANCE!!!!!!

find me ONE CASE when a BULLET BUTTONED rifle was used in a crime...
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This feels like the open carry ban all over again. It's going to become law, watch.
I feel the same way. I think its a lost cause. Way too many people in CA politics that believe guns are a bad thing. I hate to be a defeatist, but this is a bad law, introduced by a hypocrite politician, to a political body full of gun/gun culture haters. Yee is going to ride this thing to the top, get it signed, and then campaign like crazy on how he got rid of "assault weapons" in California. I really and truly loved this state until I got back into guns a few years ago. Now I loathe living here.
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Got the canned response from Hagman , "I will not give up the fight to protect our basic rights. As always, I will continue to oppose and vote against any restrictive gun legislation."

I left a nice note for Yee on his FB... man this guy is scary.

As I read more of this it's about some magnet thingy someone made to defeat the bullet button? Wouldn't that be against the current law anyway? So now they are going back to make even the bullet button illegal? I won't buy a bullet button gun anyway but why on earth do people do things they should know will cause issues like this? We live in Kalifornia not Texas... they are looking for any reason to clamp down on guns, why do some keep waving red flags at them? IMO we will never get the magazine and other restrictions lifted if we keep backsliding. We should be sponsoring legislation constantly to get rid of 10 round limits and all the fixed magazine junk... Need some good solid research showing how criminals don't obey either and some time studies in number of rounds someone can put down range with the button and restricted mags... get the facts on our side.
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guess i'll have to speed up purchases for featureless parts.
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Does anyone have any solid advice for what steps we can take next? I'd hate to sit defeated in the first round of assembly approvals.
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It seems one of the more important points to make is the deviousness employed in modifying a bill to mean something other than was originally intended. Also I have read that staff working for a legislator operated against his wishes on this legislation. If so, why not a public apology and removal of those staffers? The anti's can only get their agenda passed by corrupting the system. If more people knew this perhaps it would not be allowed to happen. This is why many people are apathetic to politics, and the system must be changed. Off subject, our current president, (small p), and his lackeys use the same methods to pass his B.S. legislation.
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Both the wife and I have signed.
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Here's the link to the current revision of SB 249: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/..._asm_comm.html

Also below is the actual tally from yesterday's vote:

UNOFFICIAL BALLOT
MEASURE: SB 249
AUTHOR: Yee
TOPIC: Firearms: assault weapon conversion kits.
DATE: 07/03/2012
LOCATION: ASM. PUB. S.
MOTION: Do pass and be re-referred to the Committee on Appropriations.
(AYES 4. NOES 2.) (PASS)


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Also below is the actual tally from yesterday's vote:

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MEASURE: SB 249
AUTHOR: Yee
TOPIC: Firearms: assault weapon conversion kits.
DATE: 07/03/2012
LOCATION: ASM. PUB. S.
MOTION: Do pass and be re-referred to the Committee on Appropriations.
(AYES 4. NOES 2.) (PASS)


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So now what?
We regroup, adjust out information and go after the Committee on Appropriations well also start looking ahead and go after signatures
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If they are going after the "Mag-magnet" only, what is the issue? If it has nothing to do with the BB.

N/m read the bill*

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