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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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SB 249 contacts: http://stopsb249.org/contacts/
Email petition to Assembly Appropriations: http://stopsb249.org/sendemail Send a letter to Assembly Appropriations (on our dime): http://stopsb249.org/send-a-letter/ -Brandon
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Brandon Combs I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead. My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer. |
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FAX, email, snail mail, call.... do everything you can!
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Live between Santa Cruz and SLO? Want to get involved? Check out the Central Coast Calguns Community Chapter And join the Central Coast Region Social Group! ![]() NRA Life Member - CRPA Life
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These guys are politicians and spin doctors. This is like a "Term Limits Proposition" that, when you read the copious amount of text, actually loosens the existing term limits. These guys go out of their way to obfuscate and confuse. I'll keep donating to CGF until SB249 goes down. |
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Here's an email I just sent to fox news.....Perhaps we can try to get some National coverage on this thing.
Good evening, I would like to call to the attention of Fox News disturbing legislation that is being quietly pushed through the CA legislative process. The bill is aimed at taking away the 2nd Amendment rights of hundreds of thousands of law obeying citizens. The bill’s author, senator Leland Yee, has made public statements as to the bills target being “mag-magnet” type tools. When in reality the bill is so vaguely written that if passed it will essentially make every semi-automatic rifle in CA illegal. Not only will this bill create criminals out of a vast majority of legal gun owners in California, it will essentially shut down may gun shops, gunsmiths, and shooting ranges. The sad fact is that the firearms industry is one of very few industries that has weathered the economic storm in California and the legislative body is about to shut it down. If the state was hurting for tax revenue before, it most certainly will now. I think a great story could be run by Fox News that somehow combines Fast & Furious, the UN Arms Treaty, and the CA SB 249 together that will help shine the light on what current government administrations are trying to do to “infringe” on our right to bear arms. Cordially yours, Adam J. XXXXXXXX |
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Good grief... this laptop I'm using has Vista and faxing is a pain in the neck! The last of them should finish up in the next few minutes.
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It should be a mandatory prerequisite to understand the Constitution. There are plenty more DBs around to replace those who fall to stupidity. |
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Adam, I, too, have sent a letter to Fox News. Of all the media outlets, they seem like they would be the ones to grab this story and at least research it. My feeling is that if our legislators can attack the 2nd Amendment, what's to stop them from attacking other parts of the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Thanks for sending this email, and hopefully, if more people can do the same, we can get the word out. |
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That's my strategy.
Blast with every caliber in the arsenal. "Spray and pray" is and effective grassroots participation strategy. ![]()
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Thanks Crowesnest, I'm glad to know we are trying to get the word out. I also sent an email to Windham Weaponary. I just purchased a CA Legal SRC from them, and even registered it with them to get the the full lifetime warranty. I asked them to do everything they can to help fight SB 249. I just DROS-ed a Remi 700 on the 4th. I am also sending a letter to Remi stating the same thing. WE NEED THEIR HELP! I am stressing that if CA passes this bill it will severly affect every mfg of firearms. So what if we send corespondance to all our representatives, news organizations, and mfg's of the weapons we own? IMHO we will stand a bigger chance to win this fight is if we have big business on our side!
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It's 2012 and we have to FAX our reps to get the point across. Jeez.
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Oh yeah, I sent emails and letters to all the Approp Comm. last night. Canned email were sent back stating not to expect a response if I'm not from their district. Basically, if I can't get YOUR vote, I don't care....
We have to get more attention than just the Appropriations cmte, we have to get EVERYONE's attention!!! |
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I've been saying this for years. I also think they should be fined if they wrote it and possibly thrown in jail if the investigators can prove this was there intent. |
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The point is, with a vaguely written xn, it is hard to know initially what the constitutionality of a law is; this is why we have the SCOTUS. |
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Response from Windham...
That was fast! Info Info Info@windhamweaponry.com 10:15 AM (31 minutes ago) to me Mr. XXXXXXX, Thank you for your support of our company. Also, thank you for your email concerning SB 249, I will forward this to our legal council for review to find out what kind of action we could take. Matt Hasty Retail Sales Manager Office: 207-893-2223 |
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As far as the vagueness of "arms" in the constitution, they didn't have a difference in firearms back then. A musket was a musket, there was no military grade firearm and civilian firearm. The founding fathers were smart in predicting firearms would advance but most likely didn't predict such a large gap in civilian and government weapons. What makes me happy is the founding fathers saw the right to bare arms was second only to freedom of speech. |
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Don't buy into Keigwins comments, I am sure more than half are BS, it's just a shady tactic from a shady senators aid, I guarantee they are both sitting back laughing at the stress it's causing CalGunners.
As for getting the attention of the senators, a hand written/typed and signed letter makes a much larger statement than any email. It shows that you are concerned enough total ethe time, so I encourage you all to ALSO type up a letter, sign and mail to allnthe reps/senators. I know I will be busy with this over the next few days. |
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Assembly Members for the Committee on Appropriations FAX numbers
Felipe Fuentes - Chair (916) 319-2139 Diane L. Harkey - Vice Chair (916) 319-2173 Bob Blumenfield (916) 319-2140 Steven Bradford (916) 319-2151 Charles M. Calderon (916) 319-2158 Nora Campos (916) 319-2123 Mike Davis (916) 319-2148 Tim Donnelly (916) 319-2159 Mike Gatto (916) 319-2143 Isadore Hall III (916) 319-2152 Jerry Hill (916) 319-2119 Ricardo Lara (916) 319-2150 Holly J. Mitchell (916) 319-2147 Jim Nielsen 916-319-2102 Chris Norby (916) 319-2172 Jose Solorio (916) 319-2169 Donald P. Wagner (916) 319-2170 Assembly Appropriations Committee State Capitol, Room 2114 Sacramento, California 95814 916.319.2081 phone 916.319.2181 fax |
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(916) 319-2xdd where x = 0 for voice, and 1 for FAX and dd = their district number ![]()
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Live between Santa Cruz and SLO? Want to get involved? Check out the Central Coast Calguns Community Chapter And join the Central Coast Region Social Group! ![]() NRA Life Member - CRPA Life
Statements posted here are the sole opinions of the author and not those of CGN, CGF, CRPA, or any other institution or agency unless otherwise noted. |
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Those of us on Twitter need to be hammering Keigwin and Yee every time they tweet something. If its cries of "racist" we need to be calling for proof. We need to hammer them to comment on Yee's letter to the CA DOJ where he explicitly lays out that he wants to ban Bullet Buttons, not just Mag Magnets. Every time they speak we need to hammer them with it. Yee made a grave tactical mistake writing that letter, and we need to put it in their faces every second. The Yee DOJ letter can be found here : tinyurl.com/yee-doj My tweets on the matter since yesterday. Let's keep it in their faces. @akeigwin @StopSB249 Re: racist comments- proof or it didnt happen. You cant argue substance, youre reduced to cries of "racist" #StopSB249 @akeigwin @StopSB249 are you going to comment on Yee's letter to the DOJ Re: banning the bullet button entirely? tinyurl.com/yee-doj @akeigwin @LelandYee @CalgunsFdn Still waiting for a response on Yee's CA DOJ letter RE: ban the Bullet Button entirely tinyurl.com/yee-doj @LelandYee Comment on your 6/4 letter to CA DOJ Re: ban the bullet button entirely? tinyurl.com/yee-doj #SB249 #BulletButton @CalgunsFdn @akeigwin Comment on the 6/4 letter sent by Yee to CA DOJ Re: ban the bullet button entirely? tinyurl.com/yee-doj #StopSB249 @CalgunsFdn |
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-Brandon
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Brandon Combs I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead. My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer. |
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-Brandon
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Brandon Combs I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead. My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer. |
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Been hoping for that, well done ![]()
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Live between Santa Cruz and SLO? Want to get involved? Check out the Central Coast Calguns Community Chapter And join the Central Coast Region Social Group! ![]() NRA Life Member - CRPA Life
Statements posted here are the sole opinions of the author and not those of CGN, CGF, CRPA, or any other institution or agency unless otherwise noted. |
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Perhaps I'm missing something, but I still don't understand what the realistic threat is from this bill.
I just don't see any mechanism for them to use to: 1. Ban Bullet button either by legislation or administrative fiat. 2. Render currently owned BB equipped rifles illegal WITHOUT a new registration period or compensation. While I fully expect them to try to do both, I just can't see a path for them to be able to accomplish this in a way that passes judicial muster. Granted, we'd prefer to defeat the bill before it becomes law, thereby avoiding the risks and costs, but again, I just don't see a path for them to accomplish their goals. What am I missing? |
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All in my spare time after bplvr said I needed to get on it.
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Brandon Combs I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead. My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer. |
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Here's the counter logic to SB249. Yee said in the PS committee hearing that this bill needs to be enacted immediately. Because he fears that he will wake up one day and "children" and women" and oh, yeah "men" will die! Strong intuition there, our distinguished Senator has. Statistically speaking, of course, he, I, you wake up daily and some child, woman or man dies. In aggregate since 1984, only .20% of those deaths or assaults or crimes can be attributed to semi-automatic rifles legal or illegal. So where's the immediate need? IF YEE really wants to prevent children and women and men and pets from dying tomorrow, he needs to concentrate on the most likely cause of deaths in CA, the country or even the world; Car Accidents. So taking what we know of SB249 and applying it to what we know about car accidents - it is twice more likely for someone to get into an accident when they are distracted, by cell phone use, eating, and doing makeup. Now, we have a law that carries a fine, and the violation of which becomes an infraction; the texting/cell phone use while driving laws. However, if you are using a handsfree or bluetooth device, you are able to make calls. So essentially in this analogy, a handsfree and/or bluetooth device acts like the bullet button. In that, it allows a driver to have a phone call in the car. Further, a cup holder in the car encourages drinking, eating while in the car. Make up mirrors allow for the driver to see themselves by flipping the sun visor to apply their make up. With that said, should we ban these items? How about DVD players and navigation systems? After all, they make it twice as likely to cause death among the number one cause of death in the state, heck, the world. Do we ban cars for the bluetooth device inside them? If Yee's greatest fear, which is so great that he wrote this law to protect children, women and men from death, then he needs to go after the main cause of their deaths? So why do we have SB249 again? Last edited by XD40SUBBIE; 07-06-2012 at 9:05 PM.. |
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No offense but that doesn't answer my question at all. I could care less about how "bad" Yee is or about DVD players, etc.
What legal path can they take to ban BB's that will pass judicial muster? I just can't see it, nor do I see a path for them to "take" property without compensation. Simply isn't going to happen. Last edited by Calplinker; 07-06-2012 at 1:44 PM.. |
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XD40SUBBIE I liked your post and appreciate your message.
I also signed both links and hope this makes a difference. I was pretty scared by this SB but am glad that it strictly talks about mag-magnets and not bullet buttoned AR's. I still hope, obviously, it doesn't pass but at least it is not as much doom and gloom as it's being portrayed as. |
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Steinberg's purpose is clear: give the AG the power to treat bullet buttons as a nuisance through regulatory powers. In effective constructive possession. You can argue it in court all you want. You'll lose your weapons, go to jail, and start dipping into any savings until the ADA of your local county uses limitless resources to coerce you into a plea to avoid spending tens of thousands of dollars in your defense and maybe get them back. If you're lucky and don't end up in front of a jury full of public employees who think the weapons are evil and you're just as bad for not trusting the police to protect you anyway.
Your example will make most of us get rid of ours or bury them in the back yard or move to Free States while the latest lawsuit gets stalled indefinitely on a case pending in the 9th Circuit that everything else gets to tied to... hoping it actually gets resolved, much less addresses the core principles of the RTKBA.
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But My point is that that's just the beginning the ultimate goal is to get rid of the AR's all together. How? If you can't figure out a way to sell a compliant AR or if it would be cost prohibitive to sell an AR to CA, then essentially, it will go away from here. As for confiscation without compensation, it appears to be a violation of the 5A, which states that the government cannot take private property for public use without compensation. But that would be up the courts to decide. Last edited by XD40SUBBIE; 07-06-2012 at 2:00 PM.. |
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Hasn't Hoffmag assured us again and again that there is no way for CalDOJ to undo their finding that a BB equipped rifle is a fixed mag?? Hasn't CalDOJ told the legislature that they don't have the power to administratively ban them and the "solution" must come from the legislature? I remember reading time and again about how their has never been a successful prosecution of a BB equipped rifle for good reason. Every time they try, our side lawyers up and they drop the case because they know a BB equates to a fixed mag, per the law. Banning BB's is exactly what Yee is trying to do, but the way I see it, they have boxed themselves into a corner. What they want is either an administrative solution, or to write a law that legislatively re-defines a "fixed" magazine in a fashion that would ban the bullet button. The current law, as written is so vague it will never pass judicial muster even if it were to pass and Brown to sign it, which I doubt. Personally, I think it is written so vaguely, because they have no idea how to write it to accomplish what they really want. If I try to put myself in their shoes and figure out a way to LEGALLY get to where they want to be, I just don't see a path. Every proposed solution would either be blocked with a lawsuit, or worse yet (from their perspective), open up yet another AW registration window. Again, unless I'm missing something, I see them boxed into a corner of their own making. Last edited by Calplinker; 07-06-2012 at 2:07 PM.. |
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The point is that the CADOJ may have agreed to the bullet button as a legal exemption to the CA definition of what an assault rifle is. However, SB249 aims to reverse that by making the very thing that makes it not an AW illegal, which subsequently makes the rifle illegal. This is pretty clear as Amanda Wilcox stated that she wants stronger amendments from the DOJ. So if this is not sufficient to get rid of the rifle, then Amanda requests that the CADOJ add language to be further prohibitive. There may not have been successful prosecution of the BB to date, because we never had a law that specifically bans "conversion kits" that converts an otherwise fixed magazine semi-automatic rifle into a detachable magazine rifle. What does the BB do? Prohibits access to the mag release with your finger. But when you use a tool or a button, you can release or detach the magazine. SB249 aims to get rid of that ability. Of course, the avenues to enforcement would lead to court room visits, that's the beauty of our justice system. Had that ever stopped a bill from becoming law? The bad part is IF you or I or anyone else here gets to be the champ and takes it for the team to spend the money and the time and the resources to fight it in court? That's why I said previously to fight this with our wallets. We will need to build up some funds to pay for the litigation, should this get past Governor Brown. Last edited by XD40SUBBIE; 07-06-2012 at 2:20 PM.. |
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