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Calguns LEOs LEOs; chat, kibitz and relax. Non-LEOs; have a questions for a cop? Ask it here, in a CIVIL manner. |
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I'm about to begin the app process and had a question in regards to an expunged juvie record and a BI. I was a knucklehead kid, did some juvie time in a youth camp, multiple trips to juvie hall. I was told upon completion of juvenile probation that my record was to be expunged.
I'm a combat vet of the finest fighting force in the world with an honorable discharge. I own a home, cars, guns, have some good work experience and a high 800 credit score and haven't been in any trouble with LE since being a dumb@ss kid. I'm pretty sure the content of my juvie record would DQ me so I would rather not disclose it, especially if the BI won't be able to find/see it. I am pretty sure my juvie records were expunged because if they weren't the .mil wouldn't have given me a clearance. If the DOD can't see my juvie records then I presume a BI wouldn't either. Does this sound about right to you guys? TIA! |
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If you don't disclose it, and they find it, you are done before you ever get started. Nothing is ever completely sealed.
What you have done since speaks volumes about your character since you decided to stop being a "Knucklehead Kid" and grew up. They may not be able to see everything and all the details, but they will see stuff. Failure to disclose on many departments is grounds for discharge even if they only find it years after you were hired. I had a deputy working for me who was a hard working top notch guy, but a year and a half after he was hired they found he lied during his background on something, and he was immediately fired. He took it to a Civil Service Commission hearing and lost.
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It'll probably be like this.
Subject was arrested as a juvenile. Record will read arrested for XYZ (Record sealed). You fail to disclose, like Ron said, you'll be done. That's from any and all police backgrounds from that point on. Had an acquaintance that refused to divulge his deuce conviction because he thought that record was sealed too. 15 years later, well 20 now, he still isn't going to be a cop and argues with every BI he meets. Your choice. Looks like you did grow up on the right track, so that and all the work you have done since should earn you some points. Just out of curiosity, when was your last knucklehead incident and how old are you now? BTW, there are ways to get into sealed records. |
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From CA POST backgrounds guide:
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http://lib.post.ca.gov/Publications/bi.pdf
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"Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen." -- Sir Robert Peel |
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It also says this:
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"Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen." -- Sir Robert Peel |
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I had a juvi felony conviction at 13. Record was sealed and expunged. I mentioned the incident on my National Security Clearance and it was never told it couldnt be found. Never mentioned it again for any jobs and never had a problem even when applying and getting hired with a LEO agency.
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If this is what your saying then, this was the basis for my argument. I never disclosed to the investigator, my juvie record and was still granted a .mil security clearance which leads me to believe that the records were expunged as opposed to just sealed. Thanks for your input. Quote:
True say here but my thinking is that this only applies to sealed records and not expunged records given the example of the security clearances granted to myself and Tango78 and our juvenile histories. I'm pretty sure that the .mil screening process is a bit more involved than a local LE agency would be. I say this because to me, there seems a bit more at stake with sensitive national security information as opposed to potentially offering a potential LE applicant a job. The lack of BI responses here in regards to expunged records here stands to further support my claims. Thanks for your input. |
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The people doing the background are typically investigators/detectives. Even though its "expunged" from public records Law Enforcement will more than likely have access to it, arrest logs, police reports etc. These things dont get tossed in the shredder. If there was a paper trail at one time there prob goin to find it. Be honest is the best bet.
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Bro, most of the best people I met on the job were not Angels; they did some boneheaded things in their youth. But what it did was create "street smarts" and that is something you CAN'T teach! |
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Remember just because a court "expunged" your record that does not mean the underlying police reports detailing your past misdeeds were destroyed, because they were not. They still exist and will be discovered during a background. During a background you list every address you have ever lived at, school you attended and job you had. The BI will contact each agency where you have lived, gone to school and worked and do a "local" check to determine the contacts you have had with those agencys. The info regarding your juvenile arrests will be there and it will be discovered as will any and all citations, or reports you made and if you were ever a witness to any crimes ect. A police background is usually much more detailed than most security clearance backgrounds. They will talk to your childhood friends, past girlfriends, old neighbors, past employers ect. They will ask each of those people if they know anyone else who has any information which could disqualify you from being a LEO. In other words your past will come out so don't commit a lie of omission. In addition even if the BI does not discover your past you will fail your polygraph, because you cannot truthfully answer the following question, which your will be asked... Have you failed to disclose any information which could disqualify you from being a LEO? Pass or fail based on the truth. Sometimes a good person just cannot be a LEO no matter how they may have changed. Some crimes just cannot be excused even with the passage of time.
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Bingo!
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Bob Lindsey for LA County Sheriff! He is Pro 2A and “Shall Issue” I worked directly for Bob at my last assignment before retiring. He was my Commander. He is a man of honor and integrity. LASD Retired 1978-2011 |
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