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Old 06-12-2012, 6:46 PM
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Default New Method to Track Gun Use Stalled by Foes, Calguns Foundation Blamed

New Method to Track Gun Use Stalled by Foes
By ERICA GOODE
Published: June 12, 2012

Front Page of the New York Times!

San Diego Union Tribune Has the article too...


Cheryl Senter for The New York Times



Todd Lizotte, an engineer who developed the microstamping technique in the 1990s, looking at casings. He says he wants the patents to lapse and the technology to be in the public domain.



A technique that uses laser technology and stamps a numeric code on shell casings can do just that. But the technology, called microstamping, has been swept up in the larger national debate over gun laws and Second Amendment rights, and efforts to require gun makers to use it have stalled across the nation.

In California, legislation signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2007 has been held up while the attorney general’s office makes sure the technology is unencumbered by patents. A gun rights group, the Calguns Foundation, went so far as to pay a $555 fee to extend a lapsing patent held by the developer to further delay the law from taking effect.

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Calguns Foundation holding up microstamping, and being publically being blamed for it, is a great reason for a DONATION!
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thats exactly why i contibute to cg monthly
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Well, as much as I'd love to give CGF the credit, the blame actually falls squarely upon the morons that wrote the law. Unless of course CGF is responsible for the "unencumbered by patent" wording!
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Now that's what I call good thinking and ROI!

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Now that's what I call good thinking and ROI!

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You bet, $555.00 to avoid litigation and hold off microstamping. Money well spent!


Getting The Calguns Foundation blamed for it on the front page of the NY Times is just icing on the cake!
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EUS in action.
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How much of an extension on the patent does $555 get us?
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Great work gents! As an out of state beneficiary of your hard work, I offer my thanks.

Now, on to the business at hand. We know know the inventor isn't interested in money and wants the technology to become public domain, which by my interpretation spells bad news when the patent eventually expires. Which is when, if I may ask?
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well I have a new job so, as soon as I can I shall doante!
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Outstanding!! If you can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere!

We are a completely awesome, Nationally Recognized "Gun Rights Organization!"

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Well, as much as I'd love to give CGF the credit, the blame actually falls squarely upon the morons that wrote the law. Unless of course CGF is responsible for the "unencumbered by patent" wording!
Thank our NRA friends in Sacto for having weird friends on the other side of the aisle.
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But Bill, the NRA doesn't do anything for Californians
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this is just excellent.
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Are there any special instructions re: reloading micro stamped cases?

Seems kinda silly.
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You bet, $555.00 to avoid litigation and hold off microstamping. Money well spent!


Getting The Calguns Foundation blamed for it on the front page of the NY Times is just icing on the cake!
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I love this and got a great laugh. Keep up the good work!
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... the Calguns Foundation, went so far as to pay a $555 fee to extend a lapsing patent held by the developer to further delay the law from taking effect.
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Classic! So what happens IF this microstamping law goes into effect and someone picks up brass at the range with another serial number on it, reloads it, and kills someone with that realoaded ammo?

Seems like a terrible idea
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Interesting to see a picture of that microstamping firing pin.
About 5 seconds with a Dremel and no more numbers....
...But then they would pass a law making defacing a firing pin illegal. Next we will have checks by LEO's to "make sure the microstamp is intact". A registered firing pin list will then be enacted, registration and fees will be needed for all replacement firing pins...

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Pure comedy gold. It is hysterical that the NYT put it to print that the Calguns Foundation has stymied microstamping with a $555 investment.
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Our very good friends at NRA made sure that the legislature kept to it's liberal values and didn't create a monopoly and we did our part to apply a superior understanding of intellectual property and litigation to exploit such excellent work.

We had kind of expected to never get credit, but thanks to the NYT for now letting us explain how we'd kept the handgun roster from banning more handguns!

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I thought the laser engraving on the firing pin wore off after about 200 rounds. If this is the case, then one afternoon of target practice would defeat the intent of the law.
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Thank you guys for all your hard work!
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And the utopian dreams of millions of anti-gunners...shattered in an instant.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you again CGF.
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That is about the COOLEST tactic EVER thought of!!!
SOMEBODY deserves a raise/medal/dinner/bonus.
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I thought the laser engraving on the firing pin wore off after about 200 rounds. If this is the case, then one afternoon of target practice would defeat the intent of the law.
Hate the be the barer of bad news, but the intent of the law is to ban guns.
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Hate the be the barer of bad news, but the intent of the law is to ban guns.
I don't agree. That's the intent of some of the legislators and some of their backers.

The intent of the law is two-fold:
(1) to ban the so-called 'Saturday Night Special', 'Ring of Fire' inexpensive handguns: the expectation was that the inexpensive guns would fail the testing - but they all seem to have passed.

(2) to establish in the mind of the public that there are 'good' guns and 'bad' guns, that they can be identified, and that the legislature has the right, power and duty to 'protect' us from the 'bad' ones.
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I don't agree. That's the intent of some of the legislators and some of their backers.

The intent of the law is two-fold:
(1) to ban the so-called 'Saturday Night Special', 'Ring of Fire' inexpensive handguns: the expectation was that the inexpensive guns would fail the testing - but they all seem to have passed.

(2) to establish in the mind of the public that there are 'good' guns and 'bad' guns, that they can be identified, and that the legislature has the right, power and duty to 'protect' us from the 'bad' ones.
Didn't we already call them morons? You don't have to be redundant.
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I don't agree. That's the intent of some of the legislators and some of their backers.

The intent of the law is two-fold:
(1) to ban the so-called 'Saturday Night Special', 'Ring of Fire' inexpensive handguns: the expectation was that the inexpensive guns would fail the testing - but they all seem to have passed.

(2) to establish in the mind of the public that there are 'good' guns and 'bad' guns, that they can be identified, and that the legislature has the right, power and duty to 'protect' us from the 'bad' ones.
That is the intent of the roster, but not the micro-stamping.
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So if the inventor wanted the patent to lapse, what stops him from just signing over ownership of the patent to the State, or selling it to a gun control group under the contractual obligation that it be re-licensed royalty free to anyone until it expires?
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So if the inventor wanted the patent to lapse, what stops him from just signing over ownership of the patent to the State, or selling it to a gun control group under the contractual obligation that it be re-licensed royalty free to anyone until it expires?
That's still 'encumbered' intellectual property
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